To Aru Majutsu no Index Light Novel Discussion (Archives)

[Marcus H.]

Oh wait.
Upon further investigation, I found out that Sasha is a UNISEX name. o.o

[Miraluka]

Tch!

You just killed my fun, yeah, I knew that too, but still.... e_e*

[tsunade666]

If Sasha's name is unisex then the Croitsef is a russian girls name. The Kruezhev name is just not a russian name.

Terra got his head cut and he deserves that for being such a stupid know it all villain.

[pikachuwei]

Originally Posted by Flere821

Well, I was guessing Itsuwa would be too broken-hearted by her absolute defeat... or maybe respect Touma's decision enough to not go near him. Besides, if Touma and Kaori becomes an official couple Itsuwa has no chance of taking them apart. I included Lessar and Mikoto mainly for lulz and that they have a reason to go after Touma (or in Mikoto's case, Kaori) for a fight.

Oh yes, I translated that part (Vol22 Ch11 pt3) myself... the implication of that just never hit me for some reason >.>

Though seriously, Sasha isn't a girl's name? I thought as a general rule names end in 'a' are girls names, like 'Eva' or 'Anna'.

wait is kaori the closest one to touma right now? oO

[reaper with no name]

Let's talk about Aleister for a moment.

He is the man who has passed the Aeon of Osiris (magic) and transcended into the Aeon of Horus (esper).

So, how come he can use magic without hurting himself?

Are we supposed to believe that the secret benefactor of espers does not have an esper ability himself, despite believing that espers have the capacity to be superior to magicians?

Or has he somehow found a way around that little weakness?

[shmaster]

You have a misconception here. ESPer don't automatically falls into the Aeon of Horus. Even Accelerator still belongs to the Aeon of Osiris.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by reaper with no name

Let's talk about Aleister for a moment.

He is the man who has passed the Aeon of Osiris (magic) and transcended into the Aeon of Horus (esper).

So, how come he can use magic without hurting himself?

Are we supposed to believe that the secret benefactor of espers does not have an esper ability himself, despite believing that espers have the capacity to be superior to magicians?

Or has he somehow found a way around that little weakness?

There was nothing to suggest that Aleister Crowley had become an Esper in the first place.

And not all Espers are automatically Aeon of Horus. When Accelerator first got his Black Wings, he was still using the Aeon of Osiris.

Hmmm, I think you're misunderstanding the concept. The Aeons are like a 'Format' to follow, and apparently you can use either magic or AIM to do so.

[Kleeyook]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

I think I can honestly say there were casualties when Fianma summons his golden arms to Telesma purge the planet

Can't deny that there....sucks to be a hound dog or one of the underground involved in Academy's Darkness...but the thing is that the one doing most of the grunt killing is Accelerator. The other characters aren't that bad....Carissa and Fianma both start major wars which obviously cause plenty of lives but the other villians haven't actually done any slaughtering for fun kind of stunts

Yeah, it sucks to be the underling. U die like trash and no one really care about u.

Those lucky got redemption on the other hand, just how spoiled can they be anyway. I bet the grunts also started with being a troubled kids. Their lives aren't the only ones that suck.

[tsunade666]

Fiamma aren't getting redemption. The whole world would hunt him down even if he tried to redeem it's far to late. His unlike Accelerator which killed in secrecy and only clones and bullies or bad guys. Fiamma killed innocent and no alms to anything to complete his goals. Fiamma is the same as Touma. Just like what Fiamma said to Touma and also the Author. Fiamma is model from Touma. As the guy who would do anything to get into his goals. Aqua is modeled as Touma with strong belief to the point of being a zealot.

Aleister uses a wand..... the wand of striking. So I can still classify him as a magician.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

Fiamma aren't getting redemption. The whole world would hunt him down even if he tried to redeem it's far to late. His unlike Accelerator which killed in secrecy and only clones and bullies or bad guys. Fiamma killed innocent and no alms to anything to complete his goals. Fiamma is the same as Touma. Just like what Fiamma said to Touma and also the Author. Fiamma is model from Touma. As the guy who would do anything to get into his goals. Aqua is modeled as Touma with strong belief to the point of being a zealot.

Aleister uses a wand..... the wand of striking. So I can still classify him as a magician.

But what Al actually uses, AIM or magic, still unknown, can't really say for sure at this point what he is...definitely not a pure esper however.......

[Hell_ping]

Since B-T's down again, I'll post this part. It's the epilogue of Vol 6, so someone please help me upload this when it's okay.

Spoiler for 25%:

“Doctor, look, I’m not staying in the hospital now. Ain’t I great? This should be some sort of growth, right?”

Inside the doctor’s consultation room, Kamijou delightedly said this to the frog-faced doctor. At this moment Tsukuyomi Komoe and Himegami Aisa reach their arms out from each side and smack him on the head.

“Kamijou! You really don’t think anything of causing trouble to others! Causing so much trouble to the Anti-Skills…really! I’ll ask you where you went later, so prepare to explain yourself!”

“Didn’t I tell you several times to be careful about this person called ‘Kazakiri Hyouka’? You can’t control yourself whenever you see a woman, looks like we have to thoroughly correct you.”

“…Doctor, those two behind me are really scary. Can you just let me stay in the hospital? Before those two calm down, I need to hide. If possible, send me to the ICU, and don’t allow any visitors.”

The moment Kamijou said this to the frog-faced doctor, the duo behind smacks Kamijou’s head even faster.

Right now, the sun has set, and it’s past visiting time. But even though Kamijou’s jumping all around, he’s still an emergency patient.

After getting involved in a gunfight, and the subway collapsed, it is proper procedures to do a thorough check. This instruction is certainly reasonable.

On a side note, Index and Kazakiri are waiting inside the waiting room. Shirai Kuroko herself is said to be unable to sleep tonight as she has to clear everything up.

The frog-faced doctor sure looks helpless on seeing that he has to meet a patient after working hours. He says to Kamijou,

“I really can’t stand you, how can you still smile after this situation? Did too much fatigue cause you to be so hyperactive? Anyway, I must remind you that one more step, your hand would end up with complex fractures.

“…What?”

“You seemed surprised, don’t you? But this is really very likely. The human hand can do many intricate things, but as there are too many joints, it can’t withstand impact. If it’s just a simple attack, a hammer would be a lot safer than a fist.”

On hearing these words, Kamijou remember that he does feel some pain in his right hand, and shudder. The doctor’s words are really destructive.

The frog-faced doctor skillfully uses a threat to let the patient’s comfort level decrease, and quickly bandages Kamijou’s hand.

Kamijou remains silent, Komoe-sensei and Himegami aren’t saying anything as well.

After a while, on seeing Kamijou’s bandaged hand, Komoe-sensei slowly says,

“There are many suspicious points about this.”

“Suspicious points?”

“Yes. Though I won’t understand these points even if I say them out, it’s uncomfortable for me to keep ti to myself, so sensei will say it out.”

Komoe-sensei reveals a smile with deep meaning, raises her Index finger, and says,

“First, why would Kazakiri Hyouka ‘appear’ around Kamijou? The entire city’s filled with AIM dispersion field, so logically, she could be anywhere in this city. Why would she appear ‘next to Kamijou’ several times? Of course, this isn’t a coincidence.”

After that, Komoe-sensei raises the middle finger.

“Second, Himegami said that ‘Kazakiri Hyouka is the key to the ‘Imaginary Number District - Five Elements Institution’, what does this mean? However, since these words were said by the teachers at Kirigaoka Girls' Academy, so maybe that’s just a baseless rumour.”

After that, she raises her ring finger.

“Lastly, the third point. Why was the terrorist able to accurate find Kazakiri Hyouka’s location when she just ‘appeared’ only for today? Even for us in Academy City, we didn’t even sense Kazakiri Hyouka’s presence, so this information may be leaked from the administrators of Academy City. Of course, this may be just a coincidence, and maybe related.”

Finally, Komoe-sensei opens her five fingers wide, placing her two palms together, and says,

“However, why did so many coincidences occur at the same time? Maybe this is the biggest suspicious point.”

The entire consultation room is silent.

There’s too little information for them to derive an answer.

At this moment, the frog-faced doctor looks away and outside the window.

Though one can’t see it from here, far away in this direction, there’s a windowless building.

[tsunade666]

"just as planned" mutter by a person inside a test tube hanging up side down.

[Master Assassin]

So it seems that Komoe-sensei isn't all that oblivious to the happenings that have been occuring inside Academy City...

... but damn, to suffer a great shock, witnessing someone getting attacked and bleeding during the events of Daihaseisai(sp)... I feel for her. D:

[choopo]

something make me confuse

Tsunchimikado >> Magician >> getting esper curriculum
>> if use magic getting rejected


Komoe-sensei >> Teacher >> teaching esper curriculum >> using magic >>nothing hapened like Tsuchomikado when he using magic


so Teacher in academy city even though teaching esper curriculum still can do magic ?

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by choopo

something make me confuse

Tsunchimikado >> Magician >> getting esper curriculum
>> if use magic getting rejected


Komoe-sensei >> Teacher >> teaching esper curriculum >> using magic >>nothing hapened like Tsuchomikado when he using magic


so Teacher in academy city even though teaching esper curriculum still can do magic ?

Why not? Komoe's not an esper...

[Master Assassin]

Even though Komoe-sensei teaches in an esper school she isn't an esper herself. So there's no penalty... well, except for casting the magic wrong.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by choopo

something make me confuse

Tsunchimikado >> Magician >> getting esper curriculum
>> if use magic getting rejected


Komoe-sensei >> Teacher >> teaching esper curriculum >> using magic >>nothing hapened like Tsuchomikado when he using magic


so Teacher in academy city even though teaching esper curriculum still can do magic ?

The teachers aren't espers, only the students. Which was why Touma went to her in the first place in Vol 1.

[Hell_ping]

Spoiler for 80%:

“Are you happy now?”

Inside a certain room of this building that doesn’t have any doors, windows, corridors, stairs and air ducts, Tsuchimikado Motoharu looks away from the image that’s floating in mid-air as he said viciously.

Aleister, who’s floating upside-down inside the giant glass cylinder, reveals a slight smile and doesn’t answer,

Tsuchimikado seems like he can’t endure this silence, and says,

“Using people as chess pieces, getting the key to the Imaginary Number District - Five Elements Institution, and you just completed one more part to your plan. Really, to me, you’re the real monster.”

Imaginary Number District - Five Elements Institution.

“Nobody could guess that it was just the AIM dispersal field. Nobody knows that the natural energy scattered by the 2.3 million students in Academy City is the Imaginary Number District.”

As long as power users exist in the city, there would be an AIM dispersal field, and thus there would be a Five Elements Institution.

No one even knows whether the Five Elements Institution is harmful or not.

This isn’t a large energy corporation that produces energy like nuclear power. If a strong force appears in Academy City, anyone can feel that something’s not right. The truth of the Five Elements Institution, or the AIM dispersal field, is a tiny energy that can only be felt through machines.

However, the Five Elements Institution is as unstable as water at 0 degrees Celsius and in vacuum state.

Under vacuum state, when the pressure’s really low, as the freezing point drops, water won’t freeze even when it’s 0 degrees Celsius. However, by using something like a stick to stir it, the vacuum state water would freeze.

It’s the same with the Five Elements Institution. Normally, this little energy can only be detected by a machine, but by giving a certain amount of impact, the power would increase. In this incident, Kazakiri Hyouka’s power greatly increased later on, because of the ‘impact’. It’s unknown though whether this ‘impact’ came from the stone golem’s attack, or there’s another catch to it.

But now, the question is – how big is this ‘certain level of impact’? Nobody knows. Maybe one can just stretch a finger and snap it to cause a huge explosion, or maybe one doesn’t need to mind about it.

Besides, ‘the power would instantly increase’ was just a ‘predicted’ outcome. What kind of power, how large the scale, no one knows. Maybe it might end up with Academy City disappearing from the world map, or maybe it’s nothing at all.

The specifics can’t be defined, the results can’t be judged. Thus, Academy City won’t so easily try to remove the Five Elements Institution.

If so, why won’t they just control it instead of erasing it?

And the key among this is—

“Kazakiri Hyouka? You actually let a part of the Imaginary Number District help it to materialise by letting it be self-aware as a human? That’s crazy.”

A boy has a right hand called the Imagine Breaker.

This right hand is the only threat to the Imaginary District.

As it feels the threat, it starts to be self-aware.

Appetite, sleep; the basic desires that are naturally derived from human functions are all signals about ‘wanting to live’ and ‘I don’t want to die’. In other words, things that don’t know life and death won’t develop personalities or self-awareness right from the start.

Looking at it the other way,

If one uses the Imagine Breaker to instil a concept of ‘death’, one can cause an illusion that doesn’t have self-awareness to be self-aware.

Aleister, who’s been silent up till now, finally says,

“This is a tactic to help control the Imaginary District even more easily. Instead of letting it be in a selfless state of ‘not knowing what to do’, I guess I should let it be able to think, make it easier to predict some of the actions, and even use it for negotiations or coercion.”

“If you’re creating someone who’s friendly to you that you can predict, there’s no problem. But how would you be able to handle this if it’s a villain that no one can imagine?”

“Villains are easier to control than good people. The difference between these two is only in the way one handle these two groups of people.”

Tsuchimikado curses. It’s true that Aleister views humans differently from normal humans.

“Is it really any meaning to doing all these just to get that Imaginary Number District?”

Tsuchimikado can’t help but asks,

“That’s right, the Imaginary Number District is a huge threat to Academy City. However, the threat doesn’t just exist on the inside. You may have done this today, and would slowly cause this world to be unstable. Without knowing why, a legitimate member of the English Anglicans got beaten by the Anti-Skills, so St. George Cathedral won’t just keep quiet about it. Are you thinking that you can use this city to beat all the magicians in the world?”

Hearing Tsuchimikado’s threatening voice, the face continues to remain on Aleister’s face.

“By getting hold of that, magicians aren’t something to be worth fearing.”

“What did you say?”

On hearing these words from Aleister, Tsuchimikado can’t help but frown.

The Imaginary Number District, the Five Element Institution, these things aren’t going to assure anyone that it’s safe to be in this city, but this is just for the internal affairs of Academy City. AIM dispersal field only form around power users.

Thinking about this, Tsuchimikado suddenly has a bad premonition creep up his back.

(Hold on…)

He again tries to summarise the collection of AIM dispersal field, which is all the features of the Imaginary Number District-Five Element Institution.

This thing is like an infrared or high frequency sound, even though it exists, it can’t be seen or heard.

It’s something that exists on a different plane from humans, using a certain force that gathered to form a new lifeform.

Tsuchimikado Motoharu is rather clear about this.

What this thing would be called in magic terms.

(Don’t tell me…an Angel?)

No, the residents of the Imaginary District—like Kazakiri Hyouka, are ‘Angels’. And the ‘city’ that she’s staying at is…

“Aleister…are you thinking of creating an artificial Heaven?”

“What do you say?”

Aleister just coldly gives him this response.

An artificial Heaven…no, if it’s created only with the power of science, it can’t be called terms like ‘Heaven’ or ‘demon realm’. This is a new ‘world’, not existing in the classics like Kabala, Buddhism, Christianity, Shintoism or Hinduism.

And once this new ‘world’ is created, it means all of magic would be erased.

For example, assuming that the buoyancy and lift values of the world are drastically increased.

In this situation, according to the picture that a kindergarten child draws, the plane would never fly, but even by following an expert’s design to create a plane, one can’t fly as well. However in reality, the plane will still glide on the runway as it tries to fly. What will happen though is that the plane will instantly lose balance once it leaves the ground, and crashes.

Once the new ‘world’ appears, the magic environment will drastically change, and it will have a similar meaning. Once a magician tries to use magic, the body will explode. The temples and churches that are supported by magic will lose the support, and collapse.

The same phenomenon will occur to any religion.

Thinking closely, one will know that any religion has a certain set of ‘rules’. Of course, there isn’t just one. Buddhism has Buddhist laws, Christianity has Christian laws. These laws are like all sorts of colours that are newly drawn on this large picture called the world.

All the religions have only one common point, and that’s a certain set of laws.

So what will happen if a new ‘world’ is inserted into a place with the law in place? The law and order that’s originally there would be jumbled up. The magicians will explode and kill themselves no matter what kind of magic they use.

No matter how good a violinist is, he can’t use a violin with messed-up strings to play. It’s the same with the messed-up laws.

Right now, the key to the Imaginary District isn’t complete yet. Once finished, no magician can use magic on Academy City.

And Academy City itself is a miniature version of the world.

Once the power development reaches a global scale, all humans will be able to use powers, and the entire world would be engulfed under the AIM dispersal field. The Imaginary District that only exists within Academy City will spread to the entire world.

No.

The preparations are already complete.

The worker power users ‘SISTERs’ that Kamijou saved, totalling about 10,000 people, are now scattered all over the world to all the agencies that are co-operating with Academy City. Why must they be patched up ‘outside’? This puzzled Tsuchimikado, and now here’s the answer.

That ridiculous experiment that Accelerator underwent wasn’t really some level 6 evolution, but to scatter all the cloned power users all over the world. In order to allow these ‘SISTERs’ to be deported ‘outside’, they came up with the destruction plan of power users, and then abolished this level 6 project. Using these 2 fake actions, they deported the ‘SISTERs’ all over the world.

This tactic should be considered a success, as right now, all the churches and forces, including the English Anglicans, have not detected the real reason why the ‘SISTERs’ were deported ‘outside’. No, even if they did, they won’t know the seriousness of it. The most they would think is that Academy City was trying to clean up the mess of internal problems.

These power users are like an antenna of the Imaginary District, covering the entire world.

After that, as long as they can get hold of this incomplete Imaginary District and let the new ‘world’ activate.

All the magicians will lose control of their powers and self-destruct due to the new ‘world’.

But to power users, the AIM dispersal field isn’t harmful to them.

If so, the results of the war between the magic side and the science side would be very obvious. No, that can’t be considered a war. It’s like blasting the brains off enemies who have surrendered.

Thinking about this, Tsuchimikado shakes his head.

Is this really Aleister’s final goal? Maybe, maybe not. This person may be smiling and thinking that this level of events is just a stepping stone to help him achieve his other goals, but maybe he’s not thinking of that as well.

It’s hard to tell.

This person, Aleister, who looks like a man, and like a woman; an adult, and a child; a Saint, and a convict, has all the possibilities of humanity. Thus, nobody can guess what he’s thinking. It’s not an exaggeration to say that he may be thinking of what the whole of humanity is thinking now.

Tsuchimikado shudder, but like a defeated dog, he tries to be brave as he says,

“Humph, if the English Anglicans know about it, they will declare war. Right now, I really pity Sherry Cromwell. From what I see from your huge conspiracy, she isn’t simply playing the role of a villain, but a character that stood up to fight against the evil power in order to protect her own world.”

“Don’t be so paranoid. I’m not intending to fight against the Church. Besides, to create that Artificial Heaven that you thought of, I have to really understand how the real Heaven works. That’s the magic side’s business; it’s not something that I can understand while standing on the science side.”

“Are you treating me as if I was born yesterday? On this world, who understands magic more than you do?”

Tsuchimikado curls his lips as he said,

“The magician, Aleister Crowley…”

During the 20th century, there existed a magician who was the greatest in history.

Everyone agrees that he’s the most outstanding magician in the world, and also the biggest embarrassment to magic.

Nobody else in history has done that insult he did to the magic world.

That’s to give up that magic power he developed to start all over again and analyse science and technology.

Why would Aleister give up everything he had when he had stood at the pinnacle of the magicians, nobody knows. But this is the biggest insult to the magic world. For the strongest magician in the world to give up magic and go to the science side. What Aleister did was like being the leader of the magic society, without any agreements, he surrendered to science.

Thus, Aleister Crowley became the enemy of all the magicians in the world. The people who’re trying to kill him aren’t just the English Anglicans that specialise in hunting down witches, but also people who are even the least related to magic.

Stiyl and Aleister met before, but didn’t see through Aleister’s real identity, and there’s a reason behind this. While the English Anglicans were hunting down Aleister Crowley, it’s said to be gathering information about him for a long time. However, this information is just false information that Aleister himself leaked. Since the original information’s wrong, no matter whether one uses magical or scientific means to track down Aleister, they can’t possibly find any relations to the real Aleister Crowley. In other words, to the English Anglicans, Aleister just so happened to be a common name, or maybe even a false name.

This patience and guts makes Tsuchimikado’s jaw drop. Even if he himself can do this, he won’t risk it. Or maybe this just shows the difference in power between Aleister and Tsuchimikado.

“Just treat this as me not going to admit defeat to you, I’m going to give you some advice, Aleister.”

“Hm, I’m all ears.”

“Have you heard of the words ‘hard luck’?” (Teh_Ping: the novels gave it as ‘hard luck’ in English)

“It means ‘misfortune’, right?”

“There’s another meaning to this. That’s ‘no matter how many times one meets a hellish fate, the person is lucky enough to overcome it safely’.”

Tsuchimikado chuckles, and continues,

“I don’t understand what’s on your mind. Even if you explain it to me further, I most likely won’t be able to understand. But, once you make use of that Imagine Breaker, I hope you’re prepared. If you’re going to treat him half-heartedly, that right hand will rip your illusion apart.”

After Tsuchimikado said this, the teleporter enters the room as if she timed it perfectly.

After that, Tsuchimikado got taken away by this girl who’s shorter than him by 30cm.

In this empty room, the man hanging upside down mutters to himself.

“Hm, all the illusions that I believed in were destroyed a long time ago.”

And for Komoe-sensei

Spoiler for description from vol 1 chp 1:

However, Komoe-sensei doesn’t mind not being viewed by the students as a teacher. Of course, this is because this is Academy City. 80% of the population here are ‘students’, so it can be called a ‘children’s country’. Thus, the criticisms on those ‘teachers that aren’t working hard enough’ are a lot harder than outside schools. And besides, the rank of the students here includes ‘homework’ and also ‘powers’.

Over here, the teachers’ role here is just to ‘develop’ the students’ powers. The teachers themselves don’t really have any powers themselves though. The P.E. teachers and teaching staff that are like instructors are all like monsters who have taken part in outside army organisations, being able to use their metal palms to take down students with powers. Of course, Komoe-sensei, who teaches Chemistry, doesn’t have these traits.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Ahh, much needed info about Aleister's plans. Well actually we roughly know about it already but it's good to see it explained in details.

So I guess through this we can say that Tsuchimikado is leading towards Aleister's side rather than Laura in his double agent role?

More than ever I'm supremely interested in Aleister's back story, and I'm looking forward to his confrontation with Touma, given that he said “Hm, all the illusions that I believed in were destroyed a long time ago." Just how strong is his resolve?

Also, I'm glad that they acknowledge the existence of other worlds base on the other religions, but my question is- Are those worlds the creation from Human worship, or did they all exist ever since? If so, just what is the political landscape for the Divine ?

[Marcus H.]

Toaru Majutsu no Index ARCHIVES Volume 1 Radio Drama

Synopsis
Index and Touma unexpectedly have to take care of a baby dropped at their doorstep. As they experience being parents for the first time, they discover that the baby is linked to two women from India, and the race to save the baby from imminent danger begins!

Spoiler for info:

Three new characters are involved with this sidestory: two Sadhvis named Harisha and her sister Laksha and a baby which Index names "Shakti".

Spoiler for links:

Removed to comply to rules, PM me for links.