Campione!(カンピオーネ!) [Light Novel]

[akim36]

so yea all the dub episodes are here already XD
http://www.watchcartoononline.com/ca...english-dubbed

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

damn akim u beat me to it

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

boy this dub had some interesting voices I'm not disappointed hahaha

[Vezon]

"Do you know english?" Sure is hard to tell which nationality to play.

[Breimoon]

as an italian i feel very sad.....the english version of italian is even worse then japanese's lol

[Kadi]

Wait, that wasn't a parody? Erica's English voice wasn't just used "for the lulz"? That's the official dub? ... I'm... not surprised, actually.

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by Kadi

Wait, that wasn't a parody? Erica's English voice wasn't just used "for the lulz"? That's the official dub? ... I'm... not surprised, actually.

So was it good or bad for you? Amazingly, I didn't find anything unnatural with the dubbing. I particularly liked the narrator's voice.

[Kadi]

For one, I already deny the existence of the Japanese version, but that doesn't matter now. I think Erica's voice was a horrible miscast. She sounds more like a gorilla or some barbarian or amazon with brawn for brains. After that, the rest of the cast didn't leave much of an impression, quality-wise. "Just as expected" in this case probably means "not really good" though, or worse. To be sure I'd have to watch it again and focus on it a bit more, but that's not gonna happen any time soon. I did note a few choices they made for the translation, but that's just boring.


P.S.: I think Lucretia was voiced pretty well overall, and the first time I heard Verethragna was a pleasant surprise, too, although the latter impression didn't last until the end of the episode for whatever reason.

[chaotix37]

Erica's voice in english doesn't fit her character well.. It seems a bit forced.

[shadow1296]

after watching the first i don't consider it a bad dubbing, yes erica's voice actor is not my first choice for her but after that horrible italian speaking scene she does get better not by much but it does, and the rest of the characters i were actually pretty good, oh and my thoughts on the anime its a lose lose situation the fans hate it because it was rushed and that anime original ending, first off they had to rush it because they had to get lilianna's and ena's volumes in it other wise fans would have been upset they weren't in it because they are a part of the 4 main girls in godou's harem, and adding volume 3 as the beginning of the anime was actually smart because anime usually follow a chronological order most of the time and not only does it do that but it also shows how he got his powers which would have confused most anime watcher if the show started and he already has his powers, the pacing issue probably could have been solved with it being a 26er but for a novel manga or anime with fanservice like this its a rarity; the changes and anime original ending, first off anime original endings happen when company's don't believe they can get another season and considering the reaction to it i don't see that happening either, the other changes they did that was going to piss off the novel readers because it does not follow the original even though a few ones were good like godou killing verethragna with the sword instead of the stallion

[Feng Lengshun]

Honestly, I don't think that the anime was that bad... in concept. Really, the storyline was done nicely and the visuals/audios were not bad (Golden Sword FTW). The only problem is the lore/mechanics changes. Messed up power level , the Divine Space thingy, Godou taking two of V-tan's Authorities are a bit of a middle case as it is also quite cool.

Then... then comes the whole anime ending. Metis as a villain isn't interesting at all. In fact, my first reaction was "What." Really, if they're going to make an anime ending, then they should have started to develop it from the start and make it good. With that said, with little tweaking, they could, in fact, follow the LN story. They needed the anime to end epic, right? Well, Mundane Made Awesome is a trope. Use camera tricks and slow motions, show Godou's expression being angry, things like that.

To me, the anime was subpar because of small mistakes. Like in the V2 events, it should have it similar to the original one, with more focus on Mariya's expression and her struggle to make her decision. Ena's arc should focus on her more too, and not introduce a new villain suddenly, though I do like Ep 12's Innocent!Athena which is damn cute admittedly.

Oda Nobuna no Yabou managed to do... what? Three or four volumes I think, and they were good. They made the story more serious, less non-sense, more focus on the conflicts and character developments, yet when it isn't it's meant as a build-up for those. It was good. So, why didn't Campione's anime take the same route? I mean the length, in essence, aren't that different.

On another subject, Fridge Logic: The spells only needed to be injected inside the Campione's body, right? So, why not just jam a few finger in Godou's mouth, and if body fluids exchange are needed, bite the finger first to let blood, a body fluids, out? Would save time and all of Godou's whining. Possible Fridge Brilliance: Erica, and the others too, realized about it but by that time already liked Godou too much that they just want to take advantage of the situation. No excuse for Guinevere and Athena though.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Feng Lengshun

Honestly, I don't think that the anime was that bad... in concept. Really, the storyline was done nicely and the visuals/audios were not bad (Golden Sword FTW). The only problem is the lore/mechanics changes. Messed up power level , the Divine Space thingy, Godou taking two of V-tan's Authorities are a bit of a middle case as it is also quite cool.

Then... then comes the whole anime ending. Metis as a villain isn't interesting at all. In fact, my first reaction was "What." Really, if they're going to make an anime ending, then they should have started to develop it from the start and make it good. With that said, with little tweaking, they could, in fact, follow the LN story. They needed the anime to end epic, right? Well, Mundane Made Awesome is a trope. Use camera tricks and slow motions, show Godou's expression being angry, things like that.

To me, the anime was subpar because of small mistakes. Like in the V2 events, it should have it similar to the original one, with more focus on Mariya's expression and her struggle to make her decision. Ena's arc should focus on her more too, and not introduce a new villain suddenly, though I do like Ep 12's Innocent!Athena which is damn cute admittedly.

Oda Nobuna no Yabou managed to do... what? Three or four volumes I think, and they were good. They made the story more serious, less non-sense, more focus on the conflicts and character developments, yet when it isn't it's meant as a build-up for those. It was good. So, why didn't Campione's anime take the same route? I mean the length, in essence, aren't that different.

On another subject, Fridge Logic: The spells only needed to be injected inside the Campione's body, right? So, why not just jam a few finger in Godou's mouth, and if body fluids exchange are needed, bite the finger first to let blood, a body fluids, out? Would save time and all of Godou's whining. Possible Fridge Brilliance: Erica, and the others too, realized about it but by that time already liked Godou too much that they just want to take advantage of the situation. No excuse for Guinevere and Athena though.

It is actually explained (hand-waved) earlier in the novels that the easiest way to form a connection is mouth to mouth because it flows out of one person and into the other. The mouth is an opening through which words (and therefore spells) leave and can be used to receive magic as well by the same token.

[Feng Lengshun]

Yep, figures they would handwave that. It works... but it's kind of flimsy and there are also other just as flimsy handwaves like "blood has been a catalyst for magic" or something. Well, at least the scene has some purpose, which is to shows the girls' feelings and relationship with Godou.

[Kadi]

There's a tiny bit more to it. Campione cites the idea that magic energy rests in the Dantian, so basically in the stomach. The best way there... How much better that is is up to you.

Spoiler for Squick? No content spoilers:

By the way, it should work through the ass just as well, but that has problems of its own, I guess? Wait, the ... imagery of the ass is linked to excretion, not intake, that's a problem here... unless the participants are total perverts. I smell potential for a doujin.

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ANYWAY! The anime, huh... I know this isn't the anime thread, but lacking something better to talk about, I decide not to care. Yes, it's bad. They lacked either care for or an idea of what they were doing. Possibly both. Then there's the case of the budget and clues how to spend it. Or, again, both.

Spoiler for off-topic wall of text? AKA doomy rant:

Ignoring ep1/v3, it's bad not because they covered 4 volumes in 12 episodes. That speed is desirable to keep things moving and avoid boredom.
Speaking about ep1/v3, I can understand why they put it at the start and I can understand why they made it short. I don't think it's necessary to show the origin of Godou's powers like that. I like the idea of thing starting in the middle and not getting everything spoon-fed ("OHMAGAD, my anime is making me pay attention"), but I can understand if you avoid it.
I even like the first episode because they put some thought into it, coming up with a few new scenes when attempting to make it work somehow in spite of cutting so much. I still adore drunk Erica.

What's actually bad is that they had no idea of, or care for, what they were doing. Some episodes obviously fall apart. Look at episode 9, I think. The middle episode of V4. Compare where they cut/changed stuff and where the episode doesn't work. When watching it back then, it was amazing for me. Now, changes are necessary when changing the medium, but cases like this are just embarrassing.
However, what would have enraged me if I still had cared at that point was how they took everything that made Campione special in my eyes, took it out and animated what was left. As has been mentioned before, they took out important character development. They made it generic when Campione frequently pokes fun at such genericness.
Unlike all of you, I don't particularly liked the battles. The music covers it up rather well, but Godou talking opponents to death while just facing each other is mehhh, the reactions to Godou's death talk are embarrassing and then there are the cases where it's just awkward. And let's just not talk about the grand, final battle. Pretty much all of that was embarrassing.

Those problems can be avoided. With a skilled writer and director, or some care if the 2 current ones actually know what they are supposed to do, it would've been easy to at least make it not embarrassing. With thought, it could've become good. Even Godou's death-talk can be awesome if the action goes on alongside it. As far as I remember, V1 was impressive in that Godou went into melee with Athena while death-talking. That would've been awesome. And probably expensive to animate which led to my above statements regarding the budget.


(I know this might come up so let me just say this: I think Godou using the Warrior is epic, just like all of you, and it's one of the iconic elements of Campione. I just don't want the action, the flow, to step back and die for it.

[kazzuya13]

Its 5 volumes in 12 episode

[Kadi]

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Any way I look at it, I must say: No it's not!
But thank you for your concern.

[kazzuya13]

Ena appears on volume 5 after all.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by kazzuya13

Ena appears on volume 5 after all.

There are thirteen episodes and the first episode is vol 3.

13 - 1 = 12

5 - 1 = 4

12 episodes and four volumes.

[Feng Lengshun]

Meanwhile, in an alternate universe, the Campione! anime followed a chronological storyline starting from two episode V3, first introducing the setting, Erica, and MemLoss!Verethragna, the second kills Verethragna in the same way as our universe does. Then, it proceeds to V11 where Godou fights against Melqart, taking two episodes, then battling Doni, taking four episodes due to faithfully following original material with all the emotional struggles Erica had and her interaction with Godou. The rest was left for V1, which while done faithfully, had the battle made more epic.

I wish we had it like that, I mean, for comparison Mondaiji only had two volumes for a total run time of 10 episodes and they did not force it to be sped up just to get all the important characters to appear. Despite all that though, I cannot truly hate the anime because it was the thing that introduced me to Campione im the firsp place.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Feng Lengshun

Meanwhile, in an alternate universe, the Campione! anime followed a chronological storyline starting from two episode V3, first introducing the setting, Erica, and MemLoss!Verethragna, the second kills Verethragna in the same way as our universe does. Then, it proceeds to V11 where Godou fights against Melqart, taking two episodes, then battling Doni, taking four episodes due to faithfully following original material with all the emotional struggles Erica had and her interaction with Godou. The rest was left for V1, which while done faithfully, had the battle made more epic.

I wish we had it like that, I mean, for comparison Mondaiji only had two volumes for a total run time of 10 episodes and they did not force it to be sped up just to get all the important characters to appear. Despite all that though, I cannot truly hate the anime because it was the thing that introduced me to Campione im the firsp place.

That's an interesting idea, but I would have preferred a two-volume anime. It faithfully follows the first two volumes while hinting (teasing) about vol 3's events, and afterward the third volume is released as a pair of OVA's. Following this is a second season doing four and five, and so on and so forth.