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View Poll Results: Toradora! - Episode 24 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 93 | 42.86% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 50 | 23.04% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 22 | 10.14% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 17 | 7.83% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 7 | 3.23% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 0.92% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 5 | 2.30% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 5 | 2.30% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 4 | 1.84% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 12 | 5.53% | |
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2009-03-18, 17:16 | Link #81 |
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Not to sound biased in anyway though I speculate that the majority of those who would complain about the outcome of the story consisted mainly kids/pre-teens (aka the more immature audience) who simply like to play shipping wars and not observe the story from more adult and insightful prospective. They won't know what development means when they themselves haven't developed nor lived enough life to know what its like. I see the majority who understand and support the logic in that Ryuuji and Taiga belong to eachother derives from a more mature, life-experienced audience, for a lack of a better way to put it. Forgive my rambling, just a thought I had >_>
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2009-03-18, 17:20 | Link #83 | |
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2009-03-18, 17:22 | Link #84 | |
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It's just this episode and last episode where she actually became important. It's... sudden. The Ryuuji/Taiga thing has had a hell of a lot of setup though. |
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2009-03-18, 17:26 | Link #85 |
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Yes but in one episode he gets confessed to by the too hyper girl, rejects, confesses about Taiga, AND runs away with her......... I think those events could have been better timed if not just spaced out a bit more. I know they had a strong relationship building the entire anime, but the pacing was just sorta POW outta nowhere.
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2009-03-18, 17:26 | Link #86 |
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Ultimately, I liked this episode, but the developments were too many and came too fast for my liking. For about the last third of it, I was in "o_O I must not have heard that right...what!?" mode, which I don't like to be in. They did too much in this episode, that's all there is to it. I don't know how the books handled it, but...yeah.
I mean, I read some poster commenting on the maturity of their relationship and all that, and while there's some of that (and the pairing makes a lot of sense), I have a hard time digesting the fact that the story went from Taiga running away from her feelings to "This is my wife!" in 24 minutes. There has to have been some way to make this feel more natural and less insane. Yeah, they're eloping, but the whole thing, from Taiga to Minorin to Ami to Yasuko to them running away...it just went too fast for my tastes. It feels like this should have been at least two episodes, just to space it out a little. That said, all in all, the (HUGE) pacing issues put aside, I enjoyed the episode. I'm interested in seeing how this all wraps up next week, but this episode is only getting an eight out of me. |
2009-03-18, 17:28 | Link #87 | |
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I was focused on the utterly lame noises I'm reading on randomc and other forums where people are acting like they just got blindsided by everything. Seriously about half or better of the anime fans do get it (much better than the 90% humans-are-idiots rule). But you just have to stand in awe of those who basically proclaim they don't actually follow the relatively straightforward plot.
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2009-03-18, 17:33 | Link #89 | ||
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He's the sort of person to just accept this kind of development and go along with it. Quote:
A lot of people on RC only pay attention to the scenes with Ami in them, it seems. |
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2009-03-18, 17:37 | Link #90 | ||
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Totally get what you're saying about "it could have been done better" -- everyone has an opinion about these sorts of things. But, from my vantage point, I'd say that even so, the writers did a fine job given the time available (maybe that last part is the operative part of the phrase). So in the end, in my ignorance, I can tentatively agree. Heck, I think many of us would agree that it would already be better if next week weren't already the end! Quote:
What annoys me is the whole culture that seems to encourage this sort of speak-before-thinking attitude, and acts like because they have an opinion about something there must absolutely be a flaw in whatever they're criticizing simply because they don't like it. That's nonsense. No blogger or forum poster is going to convince me, just by the virtue of their having an opinion, that they know more about good writing than the actual people who wrote the show. I guess it's sort of the old "everyone's a critic" bit, except that it doesn't help when those people are also both arrogant and ignorant. In general, I would love to see less outrage and more reasoned analysis, but clearly this isn't the way to feed one's ego online. People just want to be told "you're right, that was so totally stupid and wrong, and it's the show's fault for being poor!" rather than "the show may be just fine; maybe you should watch it again to pick up on all the things you missed the first time and think about it". More often than not, the problem is the latter and not the former. Anyway, pipe dreams... |
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2009-03-18, 17:45 | Link #91 |
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One thing I actually was surprised by though is how strongly Minori apparently liked Ryuuji, and how she acted surprised when he decided to go with her and how hurt she acted when he said he wanted to be with Taiga. Up until this point I saw no signs that she wasn't satisfied with her decision and I thought she was fully prepared for everything it entailed.
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2009-03-18, 17:46 | Link #92 | |
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And unfortunately, this is internet. The place where we argue about stupid crap. Therefore, it's mandatory to have e-peens the size of Eiffel Tower, and thus, must convince others of our superior knowledge of how to write or direct a story. Well, I agree about everything other than age part. I hate kids. I eat babies, and use teenagers as slaves. But don't tell anyone.
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2009-03-18, 17:47 | Link #93 |
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Oh I should explain - dependent on the individual, certainly anyone of any age can be reflective and insightful, just as you say relentlessflame. I tend to sometimes over analyze things; due to that though, from what I've picked up, the majority of shippers complaining about the series' outcome deem to be that of a younger audience given their "forum age" and what not. It's not a very plausible assumption to make I know, but judging by the context of their posts and their thoughtless declarations of which pairing should "win" simply due to their preference, its hard personally for me to not interpret it in any other way than that they come across as an immature audience.
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2009-03-18, 17:53 | Link #94 | |
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2009-03-18, 18:10 | Link #95 | ||
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This episode is actually a perfect example. All the people who are like "this is so sudden", "it makes no sense", and "where did this come from"... this is so what being a teenager is like. Maybe it's because I'm the oldest with two younger siblings, so got to witness this same phenomenon? To Taiga and Ryuuji, this so makes sense and is all the world to them in this moment -- they're going to do this, and they're going to prove to everyone that they don't need anyone to tell them how to live their lives! They're going to be free from everything that holds them back! Because, mom, (dad,) just accept that I'm an adult already! But they're not. Obviously not. Painfully not. And this is absolutely going to dawn on them sooner or later. But for right now -- in this one single moment -- they've found each other, and that's all they need! World be damned! The fact that it makes no sense, is sudden, etc. is exactly the point because this is what it is to be a teenager. It only makes sense at the time and, in retrospect, was totally stupid. And it's only later on that you actually figure that out (and you spend the whole rest of your life "getting that" more and more). So anyway, all that to say, I don't think you've over-analyzed at all -- I was just trying to give people the benefit of the doubt. In the end, it really is that sort of show that makes more sense upon reflection. And, in truth, maybe it does help if you have something to reflect about in your own life first. Quote:
(Speaking of which, have you noticed that forum trolling has changed over the last few years? It used to be that people would come into forums and post negative opinions only to get people riled up. Nowadays, you get the same sort of negative opinions, and the person seems to really mean it! ) |
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2009-03-18, 18:13 | Link #96 | |
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2009-03-18, 18:15 | Link #97 | |
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But seriously, like relentlessflame and others been saying about people complaining about being blindsided because of the fast moving context, You have to remember that they have been doing that since first episode, there is alot of context(10 Volumes) they have to put into 25 episodes in less than 30 min each. Besides I think J.C. Staff did a excellent job on doing that, and I believe that this is the best series that J.C. Staff ever did.
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2009-03-18, 18:27 | Link #98 |
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Oooh, I am looking forward to this episode. I don't have a problem with the Yasuko thing. It seems plausible to me from what we've seen so far. Like one of those bottle bottle bottle bottle EXPLODE kind of deals.
What I'm curious to see is how they work out these Ryuuji x Taiga developments. I never doubted from the start it would wind up Ryuuji x Taiga, but WOW what a long way to come in a single episode. I know it won't be 100% rational...I'm guessing that's kind of the point. Shooouuuld be interesting. |
2009-03-18, 18:27 | Link #99 |
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If you can enjoying watching Spice and Wolf, I think you should love this ones as fast-pacing version. Tatsuyuki Nagai did very good job in putting all pieces altogether in anime without trainwrecking it like other famous animes. However, his point of view in serializing this story doesn't work well with non-adult audiences.
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