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Still, if chromatic avatars cannot choose abilities outside of their specialties, what choice would that possibly leave them? Further, what about Red Rider's horse? No one was more purely Red than he, yet a horse is not inherently inclined toward shooting like another gun would be, and in fact can be employed well as a close combat weapon. Surely he had the option of improving his horse rather than his firearms or gunplay. This is assuming that he even started with the horse, rather than gaining it through a bonus. Granted, his name is Rider, but his avatar is explicitly themes as a "Cowboy". Between that and his color, he had to start with at least one gun. A gun and a horse, and a special move... seems a bit much for a Level 1. Or else it was a somewhat whimpy horse. As a Green avatar, Ash Roller might have had the option to improve his own personal armor. Quote:
As to accuracy, we have no idea if Pile was aiming for center mass, the head or some other vital point, or actually intended to hit a ridiculously tricky spot like the elbow. One stance or the other doesn't truly matter. He can slide a foot back or forward and quickly change his torso's direction... Except when using Lightning Cyan Spike, which anchors his feet. The issue is that he needs to get his stake out of the way, either by waiting for it to retract, or swinging the whole ungainly extended thing out of Splash's firing zone. Firing at the same time is foolish, but a rapid combo ought to be possible. However, if the Splash is actually a special rather than normal attack, that changes things somewhat. |
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Splash Stinger is a series of needle guns on his chest. The projectiles fire straight forward. As his pile driver is to the side, there is no obstruction of the firing zone. |
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2013-02-03, 01:02 | Link #83 |
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About abilities within abilities, this is most likely the case. Eg. Black Lotus got her Death By Embracing at level 8, which was after 8 levels of pumping her bonuses into her sword limbs.
Rider probably never even had the horse, remember he had Arms Creation doing all the work. As an Enhanced Armament, there's probably very little potential left for a horse, even with zero offensive ability? A horse, like Ash's bike, still has some capacity to deal damage by blunt strikes, i.e ramming, trampling the opponent. |
2013-02-03, 01:55 | Link #86 | |
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-.-"" That it might have had no offensive abilities but was there for either cosmetic purposes or to make travel in the Unlimited Field faster? |
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2013-02-09, 21:07 | Link #89 | |||||||
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Then why would Graphite Edge need to advise his fellow legionaires to focus only on bonuses to their color specialties, and why is it significant that Scarlet Rain focused entirely on Long Range Firepower?
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Besides, I'd like to think that the horse was often equipped with artillery much too heavy for a pure Red weakling to lift and control. Side-mounted railguns and missle pods! [Reds have to be the physically weakest of avatars to counterbalance their range advantage, and Rider was apparently built lightweight for speed (on foot or horse). Armor and muscles are heavy.] Quote:
Who knows? Maybe WC started as a Level 1 avatar with purely defensive powers and a special ability to automatically win any duel in which she took no damage (as opposed to facing a Draw)? Quote:
Also, interesting fact: The Pile Driver has an independent "energy gauge" like the Gale Thruster, which limits how soon Cyan Pile can fire off the next shot. I bet Cyan Pile could have devoted bonuses to increasing the energy pool or reducing the charge time. I'm guessing that Fuuko could have done the same with the Gale Thruster, but she was obsessed with attaining the greatest height possible, and so focused entirely on the distance and power of a single burn. According to the LN, if it weren't for IS, she could only use the booster every ten minutes (which is not even enough for three activations during a normal 30-minute duel). Quote:
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2013-02-09, 21:39 | Link #90 |
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Taking a short look through this thread, I see numerous statements that White Cosmos has "no offensive ability" / "is incapable of direct attacks". May someone tell me where this idea comes from?
From volume 12, KYH on White Cosmos: "彼女が遠隔にせよ近接にせよ、一切の物理攻撃力を持たないことを知っていた” "I knew she had no physical attack power whatsoever, be it close or long range" It seems reasonable that White Cosmos has some beam/spiritual/magic/whatever means of attack. It would be unnatural to have the word "physical" there if that were not the case.
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Not to mention all the other legionaries except Lotus were not pure colours and thus had access to a range of options. Did the LN specifically mention 'COLOUR specialties' or was it simply 'specialties'? As for Scarlet Rain, I already addressed this in a previous post. Quote:
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His chest is an outwards V shape. The spikes curve inwards to shoot straight. Would like to see some evidence supporting this, as it makes absolutely no sense. Not only does this make it much much harder to aim, but the simple solution of simply moving so that the opponent is standing in front of his pile would have sufficed if it moved straight forwards. Last edited by Orange Duke; 2013-02-10 at 12:23. |
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2013-02-10, 11:52 | Link #93 | |
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Dude, please contain that picture within spoiler tags. You're stretching the page.
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LNs confirm that the clippers and tentacles ARE enhanced armaments, not body parts. They and Pyro Dealer kept their original colors, and perhaps forms. Gale Thruster was also a sky blue. Only the wings were not an enhanced armament, so it makes sense that therefore they would be the only thing stolen which would change to match Dusk Taker's appearance. Which further suggests that the Sacred Arcs will not change color or appearance based on their owner. Logically, the armaments that Taker stole cannot be the initial equipment of his victims, or else they'd demand storage space comparable to Cyan Pile's Pile Driver. Noumi simply didn't have the option of dropping his stolen equipment to take the Pile Driver; it was bigger than all three (or more) of them combined. The Pyro Dealer was a strong weapon, and furthermore one that Taker hadn't stolen until he gained the power of flight. The clippers and tentacles might have been secondary weapons gained through bonuses, or bought from the shop. But what about the Pyro Dealer? An enemy drop? But a much bigger question: According to the LNs (and maybe the anime, I don't remember), Dusk Taker didn't have Demonic Commandeer at Level 1. He had to gain various levels AND recieve training from the Research Society first. I recall that Haruyuki didn't discover Aviation until his second/third fight, and that it apparently didn't register on his menu. But Headbutt did, and Commandeer is a special move like that. Where was Dusk Taker's power? It couldn't really have lacked ANY ability. |
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Tentacles are confirmed to be stolen. Taker specifically mentions them having a previous owner who said they looked like starfish tentacles. |
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2013-02-10, 12:53 | Link #95 | |
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The evidence is that Taker banishes the tentacles along with the clippers when he gives the vocal command to store all of his equipped enhanced armaments. But anyway, how seriously are we supposed to take this idea that Dusk Taker had no special move or ability -- no way to spend SP at all -- until after he leveled up a few times? Even Silver Crow had Headbutt before he knew about Aviation. Equally preposterous: With no ability and no equipment, just how was he able to scrape together enough victories to pay points to his brother AND collect enough to level up for himself? |
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2013-02-10, 17:22 | Link #97 |
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But Noumi said Dusk Taker had no power other than Demonic Commandeer.
The glowing claws were an Incarnate Skill. The normal claws would have been no more impressive than a basic punch attack (and less impressive than Silver Crow's Aviation-assisted punches.) |
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Especially since, as I said, he would have no weapon or special ability, whereas everyone else DOES. Reds would shoot him. Blues would dominate him. Yellows would confuse, bind or poison him and then kick him while he's down. Dueling really depends on your avatar's potential somehow being equal to that of anyone else of the same level, so that you can win on something more than dumb luck and determination. Honestly, I'm not sure why Aviation wasn't on Silver Crow's moves list. Especially considering that it was the one ability that the entire avatar was built around, so that it had no potential for anything else. Just imagine if the Pile Driver had been hidden in Cyan Pile's storage, and with no moves visible on his status menu to indicate that it even existed. It's absurd! |
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2013-02-10, 20:02 | Link #100 |
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Yes, but that's exactly what I'm saying. Dusk Taker is at a severe disadvantage to most other avatars until it could Commandeer a couple of Armaments and/or special moves. He can steal those too.
Silver Crow had to win his fight against AR the second time by both dumb luck and quick thinking. He practically burnt off his feet waiting for a chance. Aviation would fall under avatar movement control, there should be no need for moves describing exactly how your avatar can move, methinks? About the pile driver...well, either it was equipped by default, or Taku guessed the rest of his moves were locked up in an armament or an upgrade he'd get later. |
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