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2014-01-17, 12:32 | Link #1003 |
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The countries in Asia that stood out on top used an ideological model that rejected communism. Even China had to reject large parts of their communist past to be where they are right now. Meanwhile, countries that kept that model ended up falling behind. On that, I rest my case.
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2014-01-17, 13:52 | Link #1004 |
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There was never some single "communism". It was different for each country. In addition, countries in Asia that stood out on top used an ideological model used the same basis of statism, which in the end is fundamentally no different from "communism".
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2014-01-17, 14:28 | Link #1005 |
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Asian countries that ended out on top didn't go to the same extent in micromanaging their political culture that the self-proclaimed communist ones did. The economy being controlled/heavily influenced by the state is a different issue entirely and has little to do with ideology.
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2014-01-17, 16:39 | Link #1006 | ||
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Being a "pacifist", I have more of a problem with him deciding to go to war when he knew the casualties's going to be massive with US on the side of the South. Last edited by maplehurry; 2014-01-17 at 18:59. |
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2014-01-17, 18:31 | Link #1007 |
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So now, Mr.Kira, could you please point you what is truly wrong with Communism?
We've tried the Capitalism Democratic System, and it failed to unite the people against external threat. Don't give me that "Ngo laid a foundation to the Future" shit. Do you know that the economical advantage that the people under him could get, they only spread in the large city? Even so, it was still relied heavily on American money, not by real production: Drug, Prositute, Wine, Mercernary,... Inflatation was just more than high. Above all, do you want to be a part of the mass murder that had became an ordinary sight with Ngo's "Killing All than Killing Wrong" menthod? And I though the American is the only short-sighted on the continent... And beside, do you know that Uncle Ho actually had shown interested in the way of economic development in the West. Just ask some ex-POW from Hoa Lo Prison - he made friend with them. Yes, I agree that there is no single Communist idealogist - Even Lenin agree that when saying: "Communism is a moving object". So please just don't use USSR or China to compare to us. |
2014-01-17, 19:23 | Link #1008 | |
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IMHO, communism are no different to dictatorship. They set the rules. Their rules exempts no one except themselves. Why I hate communism? Coz, they're one of my country's problem. They extort "revolutionary" tribute by force, burn buses, steal live stocks and kill every government personnel they see. |
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2014-01-17, 19:40 | Link #1009 |
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Ah, I see, so the Philipino decided to follow the Khmer Rouge. Then don't worry, they will end like Khmer Rouge.
And beside, like I said above, Marx will surely be surprise on how has Communism developed. Also, Marx isn't the first one to build Communism, as well as the only source of it. There are far more radical group before him. And who rule the Democrat and Republic beside themself? |
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Anyway, a little out of topic regarding my view of communism. That said. I have to stop here. We are tooooo out of topic. Last edited by NoemiChan; 2014-01-17 at 20:23. |
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2014-01-17, 21:42 | Link #1012 | |
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Labour is a measure of work done and affects output through human capital. Each worker has a different Marginal Revenue Product and it is wrong to use "labourer" as an umbrella term for anyone who works. That is hardly a malaprop. That is catachresis.
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2014-01-17, 22:28 | Link #1013 |
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Alright, thanks for correct me. So, guess that I shouldn't use the word "laboured" as a replacement for "working class". Then, let's change it back! The principal here is the same as everywhere: Except special cases, you get the result arcording to what have you been working for - meaning, you don't work, you don't eat.
I wouldn't say that Marxist's idea of "War between Classes" is truly correct, but please see some example. In America, the number of middle-class men with stable income and self-owned house is decreasing compare to the 50s-60s - When American was still in war with us. Deregulation has led to some spectacular fraud in the Banking industry. Medical price rised, and so does inflatation. In a recent survey by CNN, the Latin and Black ethnics children have fewer chance to surpassed their parents - thefore, denied the core idea of American Dream: Make it whenever you are. Ok, so what I'm trying to say that in a terrible Capitalism regime, it's no better than wrong-doing Communist government, and vice versa, a proper-manered Social Democratic country could certainly go equal with a Bicameral system. So why hate and scare of Communism? After all, you don't believe it. I never understand why a lot of people fear that their country would go with Socialism. Their are many level of left-wing, you know? But back to the point! Even if Mao hadn't sucessed in establishing China like today, Another China would be still the same. Just see Taiwan in the dispute. The only different that Chiang would still be ally to the West, and America would has to settle everything between its comrades. |
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It'd be pretty damn appalling if that witness who opted to stay anonymous for safety reasons was a native Ethiopian. Are the Chinese activists proud that they're terrorizing the citizens of the country they're in?
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