2012-12-16, 02:08 | Link #1021 |
Truth Martyr
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Firstly, it's Koko.
Secondly, even if the world's armies attempt to mobilize against Koko, to do so they will need mobilisation irders, op orgers, FRAGOs, logistics support requests. How ate these going to be transmitted by? Computer, using military networks. Who has a quantum computer that can access these networks and tamper with these orders? That's right, Koko. Tl;dr, nobody can move against Koko because when they order their armies to move, Koko uses Jormungand to rewrite the orders. In the short term, she's untouchable.
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2012-12-16, 08:04 | Link #1022 |
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In the long term (a few weeks) they can get a few hundred people to South Africa.
No, scratch that. In the long term (a few days, or maybe a few hours) they can make a deal with the armed forces that are already there and kill Koko and her, what, nine bodyguards? She isn't on the moon. You don't need thousands of people with rare equipment. So, while unusual, the logistics problems are far from unsurmountable. Unless Jormungand's on a ship in the middle of nowhere. With satellites working against them, they'd never find it. |
2012-12-16, 08:33 | Link #1023 | ||||
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Guys, there's no solid confirmation that her Q-comp is in South Africa. It's only the CIA that even has a remote guess that it's there. No one is going to deploy forces or nukes against her there if they can't even confirm it's there. They're more likely guessing it's with all the satellites launched for Hek-GG.
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That's assuming they can confirm the computer is in South Africa. |
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2012-12-16, 08:33 | Link #1024 |
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But what about the good old M.A.D. doctrine? Mutually Assured Destruction.
Koko's perfectly OK with killing three quarters of a million people in flight. If country X launches an attack on her, you think she'll have qualms about reducing their capital city into a pile of rubble? Just for starters? It's also possible that the satellites are part of a distributed computer system, so to take down Jormungand would involve downing a large number of satellites. There's a lot more to the plan than just downing all airborne vessels, I think. |
2012-12-16, 08:59 | Link #1025 |
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Whether the computer's in South Africa or not, she is, and so is her factory.
The South African army has more than 30000 people in it, and they don't have a long way to go. They'll be just as out for blood as the rest of the world. As for fear of retaliation... What's she gonna do? Ground every plane, twice? |
2012-12-16, 09:26 | Link #1026 |
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Think of it like a country with: is it worth it to mobilize what little active forces you have against a hard to reach target, with no guarantee that it's actually your target? And Koko can move. She's not stuck in SA. Her flight/naval assets are fully operational.
Okay, assume they confirm it's the factory and 30,000 SA army peeps got down there, assume the orders to hire the SA army get through, and assume the order from the SA commanders to their troops don't get intercepted and redirected, then Koko deploys her predator drones and bombs the army to pieces. She certainly has them 'cause if she can deploy a drone on unfriendly territory near Cuba, she can deploy on home ground. Let's also assume she doesn't hire a personal PMC, of which there are probably plent of in SA, to help fight too. Retaliation? That's a nice stock market you have there. It would be a shame if it suddenly got wiped. Electronic hospital records? It says little Susie Evans is a 87 year old man with incontinence and no penicillin alergy. Production Factories? How come my Ohio GM production line isn't making cars, but dancing around to the tune of Portal 2's "Exile Vilify?" Personal computers? Senator Lamar Smith and all his staff's work and home computers have all suddenly been bricked. That's probably sufficiently threatening if you target the right people or a good amount of people. |
2012-12-16, 10:30 | Link #1027 |
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So uhh, did she not realize that we had two world wars with aircraft that had next to no 'computers' that could be hacked?
Unless she has stockpiled a huge amount of drones, like decades worth, I don't see how it's feasible to maintain the no air travel rules. I guess should could bomb manufacturing plants, but that would completely destroy infrastructure which would go against the whole keeping the world as it is (the one Jonah mentioned he loved). |
2012-12-16, 10:49 | Link #1028 | ||||||
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And against someone who just killed 700000 people and threatens the world with more to come? Yes, it's worth it. No sacrifice is too great, unless you're the one getting sacrificed. (Meaning SA wouldn't nuke itself even if it was a nuclear power, but for every other country that option would totally be on the table.) Quote:
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For that matter, how is she going to pay them? Just her threat effectively destroyed our banking system. Quote:
Killing 700000 people and threatening the rest of the world with more? It just means she has to do down as fast as possible. Worry about picking up the pieces of her rampage once she's dead and her computer destroyed or seized. And worst case scenario: people learn to do without open electronic networks. It'll suck, but that's how we've done for most of our history. What they won't do is give up on killing Koko and taking back... well, late 20th and early 21st century technology. That's what this is about. |
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2012-12-16, 23:09 | Link #1031 |
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Not necessarily, it seems like Koko is counting on the fact that it is too difficult or nearly impossible for current armies to transit back to the old way because of time and costs. In addition, there is strong ties between armed dealers and armies around the world. For arm dealers to transit away from the modern era sounds like they are going to lose much of their money. I think the episode 20 with Curry was to emphasize the fact that it is already difficult for some to sell weapons. So arm dealers not wishing to lose money, they will try to push armies to maintain the status quo, even though Koko has total control of modern weapons.
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2012-12-17, 00:34 | Link #1032 |
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As entertaining as it is to speculate on the feasibility of Koko's plan (personally, I think it's completely unfeasible and in RL she'd be dead within a week, or so on the run she may as well be, but I digress), I'm fairly sure at this juncture that the details don't matter and what does is whether or not Jonah proves to be the healing tonic Koko's shattered psyche needs to return to becoming a functional member of society.
The easy answer is yes, he'll bring her back over the edge of insanity, but I really hope they don't go for the easy answer. I wouldn't bet on it, but I do hope. We've presumably got two more episodes left, and while the short preview didn't really give much away that couldn't be taken wildly out of context, I'm going to guess that it's mostly the world reacting to Koko's plan, prior to the final episode which will actually get around to making the decision on whether Koko's "conscience" ala Jonah wins out, or all the pent up pain and rage she's accumulated over the years living the twisted life she has. On another note, if Koko is ready to implement her plan already, what was the point of springing the chic from the Americans? Or is there a third season coming up and I'm totally wrong in the assumption that this plot is going to have to be wrapped up in two more episodes? :/ It could certainly go on and on, as it's obvious she's pulled the rug out from under her own family as well, and we haven't even met the father, who's probably the source of all sorts of therapy-requiring issues in both his children.
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2012-12-17, 06:39 | Link #1033 | ||||||||
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That 700k is a one-time thing from the plane crashes. After that, nobody flies and no more body count from her unless you're dumb enough to fly on compromised networks. The less attacking her, the more likely she'll hold with advanced weaponry. Quote:
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As for Jonah, well that's a storyline thing. While Koko has trusted him explicitly, she knew, he knew, and we all knew he wasn't that loyal to her and that he has his own conscience. She chose to expose herself that way for her own reasons. Quote:
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You're thinking too small of a scale. Both Russia and the USA had each other's countries hostage for ages with nuclear arms. MAD doctrine ensured that neither struck. They nuke her, and while the nukes are in-bound, she wipes them out. So just like the cold war, neither will want to strike. I bet that if she wipes them pre-emptively, they'll launch a few weeks later if they're feeling bold; that preserves the MAD aspect. Quote:
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I disagree with you all.
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And as I've explained, her very existence means the world is stuck in a bad place. Just keeping breathing isn't the worst thing she can do to the world, but it's close enough that the difference won't matter. Quote:
More than that, you think the world can pretty much keep existing while she has that sword of Damocles above the world. I think the only way forward is over her dead body. Quote:
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BTW, it's not like even a quantum computer can't break the One Time Pad, or gain access to a physically closed network, so it's not like they'll be completely disarmed. |
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2012-12-20, 16:12 | Link #1037 | |
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overall, i loved this episode. and OMG I'm soo attracted to Koko right now.. Jonah!!! is too lucky!!! But women like Koko are my type I guess. |
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2012-12-20, 23:30 | Link #1038 |
KLAC OF THE ANIME WORLD
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ep.11 perfect order
so koko even more why she doing this plan cause of dislike of war, killing, etc want to change it all give doing for the reasons it cause johan to swim away from koko. yet after swim here kasper little talk with johan with more wonder to asking for answer so johan hang around with kasper. & koko let show here plan having bookman witness it all being like a test subject that koko's plan is about having bookman meet rebel then rescue by marines & seeing it happen so amaze indeed bookman is also a koko's person. 1ep left to see how it all plan.
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2012-12-22, 03:20 | Link #1039 |
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Looks like Koko cuts her hair for the next episode. I liked it long.
I wonder if Lehm works for Koko, or works for her father (and similarly, Chiquita in regards to Koko's brother). Because, if I had one more episode left and was in charge of this story, I'd end it with Jonah deciding Koko is right, going back to her, Koko smiling and putting her plan into full gear, and then Lehm quietly shooting Koko. He then lights a cigarette, we get flash-reaction face shots from everybody, and credits. Last few seconds after the credits roll, still shot of Koko's father in his lair of evil, muttering something about a foolish girl.
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