Toradora! Generic discussion thread

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by Sin Ansem

Are we talking Zero no Tsukaima bad? because I have truly DESPISED all three OPs from that show.

Much much worse

[Kaoru Chujo]

Enjoyed ep2 even more than ep1. Fortunately I haven't read the novels, so I can't be offended by changes. Bit of a downer to see all the complaints, but I'm enjoying the show anyway. The characters are not one-dimensional and the plot doesn't drag.

Personally, I'm not at all a fan of the Shana series, and even less of ZnT, so the further this can get from either of those, the better, for me.

Spoiler for ep2:

From all tsuntsun to almost all deredere. Nice.

With the talk about writers, I thought I'd mention that the lead writer on this show is Okada Mari, who did true tears, Sketchbook, and Kodomo Jikan, and is doing Vampire Knight and Kuroshitsuji as well this season. I don't believe she has ever done a show for J.C. Staff before.

As far as I'm aware, the director, writer, and producers sit down at the beginning and decide the general plot and shape of the show, including the number of episodes (this depends in part on the market, etc.) and the lead writer writes the overall story, then divvies it up among episode writers who actually write the lines.

I expect the producers have the final say in how long a series is, and even in the general pacing, so J.C. Staff can change writers or directors and still do similar things. Apologies if I've mentioned any of this before in this thread.

[Orophin]

Originally Posted by Sin Ansem

Are we talking Zero no Tsukaima bad? because I have truly DESPISED all three OPs from that show.

See for yourself...

[Clarste]

As someone who read the translated novels, the only real complaint I have with the episode is that they used the PE scene rather than the lunch scene, which was pretty much the same thing only better (less zany scheme and more "hey, don't those two seem kinda close recently?").

Yeah, it was a bit rushed, but drawing out the first novel would probably be a bad idea. Especially since if they'd made it three episodes it would've been negatively affected in the opposite direction, and likely much worse.

Well, it remains to be seen what they'll do in the future, but they certainly aren't butchering it so far.

[typhonsentra]

I predict they'll use small scenes like that to pad later episodes. That's one of those scenes that's interchangeable and can be placed at any point in the series. They did it quite a bit in Shana.

[Sin Ansem]

Originally Posted by Orophin

See for yourself...

Well, it's bad, but the ZnT OPs are still 100 times worse.

[typhonsentra]

I liked Toradora's OP and loved I Say Yes from ZnT season 2. Something wrong with me?

[UPR]

Originally Posted by typhonsentra

I predict they'll use small scenes like that to pad later episodes. That's one of those scenes that's interchangeable and can be placed at any point in the series. They did it quite a bit in Shana.

I agree with this point. Those scenes that could be animated. The probability there going to do that is not great ,but not out of the question.

[Avisch]

I like Toradora's OP. Im indifferent to Zero no Tsukaima's openings (or the show in general).
The opening theme is cute, whats wrong with that? (*braces self for flamming comments*)
I think Im going to enjoy the anime. I better start reading the novels though (I should have as soon as I read 6 chapters of the manga in a row))

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by typhonsentra

Something wrong with me?

Not at all. People have different tastes. Some people like this OP, some people question if this is music, etc.
Personally, Zero no Tsukaima's 1st and 2nd OP were decent to a degree, and 3rd OP is bad. All three ED are trash.

[Irenicus]

Originally Posted by Avisch

The opening theme is cute, whats wrong with that? (*braces self for flamming comments*)

No flames, no.

But the way I see it...erm, hear it:

1) Generic to the core. Absolutely no inspiration whatsoever.
- generic cutesy voice
- definitely "throwaway production studio music"
- generic "heavy" percussion that fails to excite; like Shana's OP's and ED's tend to be *casts flameshield*

2) Horrid editing, timing
- those parts where the lyrics go really really fast and out of rhythm? Yeah. And it's not for any artistic experimentation either, just plain bad edit.
- awkwardly applied techno effects

But really, it isn't all that bad, not "burn it with fire" or anything. I personally just find it uninspired, which is essentially what a lot of anime OP and ED songs are, once you take off the otaku-tinted lens that is.

[Haruyasha]

The opening is decent.. unlike another show which is currently airing. (The one where the studio decided to become a little click-happy on the stroke of the credits. While they're at it, why don't they increase the stroke a little bit more).

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by Sin Ansem

Are we talking Zero no Tsukaima bad? because I have truly DESPISED all three OPs from that show.

I liked the ZnT OPs, so I'd say no.

Originally Posted by Sin Ansem

Well, it's bad, but the ZnT OPs are still 100 times worse.

Urm...no. You can't get any worse than the Toradora OP theme. Period. The creator of that song needs to be banned from song-making. Ever again. And if you can say otherwise, you need to get your ears checked. >.> My brain was so damaged by that song that I couldn't think clearly enough to turn it off until it was already over.

Originally Posted by Haruyasha

The opening is decent.. unlike another show which is currently airing. (The one where the studio decided to become a little click-happy on the stroke of the credits. While they're at it, why don't they increase the stroke a little bit more).

And the Akane-Iro OP theme is cool too.

[Haruyasha]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

And the Akane-Iro OP theme is cool too.

But you gotta admit, those credits don't match the theme at all.

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by Haruyasha

But you gotta admit, those credits don't match the theme at all.

True. But I am only talking about the music. Quite frankly though, I don't think the way the credits are displayed should make or break an OP in the first place. I just ignore the credits and focus on the main visuals and song.....and while Toradora is fine on the first part, it utterly fails on the second. I'll be risking pulminary heart failure if I hear that thing again. >.>

[Avisch]

Originally Posted by Irenicus

No flames, no.

But the way I see it...erm, hear it:

But really, it isn't all that bad, not "burn it with fire" or anything. I personally just find it uninspired, which is essentially what a lot of anime OP and ED songs are, once you take off the otaku-tinted lens that is.

None of your points are wrong.
That pretty much sums it up how I feel. I can accept it as uninspired (and the techno effects are weird).
You are 100% right on the Shana music (I facepalmed when they used JOINT as a Insert during a very very slow moment).

[houkoholic]

I think I've made it pretty clear that I'm a novel reader (plus I read them in the original Japanese) and that I approve of the pacing. It seems that mostly its the manga purists that disapproves, but then again the manga isn't the original work so whatever.

Also just because the next episode looks like original work (actually I think it looks more like they moved a later episode forward) does not mean it is filler. It is not a logical argument and it is not based upon any rational reasoning.

Originally Posted by Sterling01

Oh and nemo...

Spoiler for latter novels:

Ami does start to fall for Ryuji

Spoiler:

When? I'm up to volume 5 and browsed through 6 and 7, it doesn't seem like Ami is falling for Ryuji at all. Rather it's Ami hinting/telling Ryuji that Minorin is not really his type and that she thinks Ryuji behaves much more naturally when he is with Taiga, and that she thinks he cares for Taiga much more, that was the main highlight of volume 4.

Ami is appreciative of Ryuji in that she doesn't have to put on her "outside face" and they've become good friends, and that Ami is offering some much needed guidance to Ryuji in coming to terms with females, but there's no indication at all that she is falling for him. I know a lot of Ami's action is her just getting a reaction from either Taiga or Ryuji for fun because she is mischievous, but again where ToraDora is bucking trends is that all those joking approaches aren't really turning into romantic feelings for Ami. And with Taiga acknowledging her feelings towards Ryuji by the end of volume 7 while Ryuji had steadily progressed with Minorin, it doesn't look like Ami even has a spot in the triangle unless they want to make it another poor harem show.

All this talk reminds me that I should buy volume 8 and 9 this weekend.

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by typhonsentra

I liked Toradora's OP and loved I Say Yes from ZnT season 2. Something wrong with me?

I thought that "I Say Yes" was a pretty good op lol... loved the version playing in the last episode of znt2...

[Darknemo2000]

houkoholic, the original episode has all the probabilities to be a filler. Unless ofcourse they would rewrite a lot of stuff from the original source to fill in the developments from the original episode, but usually no one bothers with that. Original anime episodes are just fillers having no importance to overall character development nor having any importance to the main plot UNLESS the script writers mix it with the original source plot, but almsot never happens, so I think this is a rather reasonable argument. It is not 100% sure but lets say it have very very high possibility of turning into filler because script writers do rarely try to import into the original source plotline the anime original plot, unless it would deal with original source scenes to begin with.

Spoiler for spoiler:

As for the Ami, I also had the same impression as houkoholic - she is not really in love just mischievously teasing. So steling could you tell where you have seen her falling in love with Ryuuji?

[Yushi]

This episode is so cute! I loved how Taiga got soft, I didn't like it when she's all pissy and violent.
so glad that I didn't read the novels~ ^.^ The op song didn't really click with me, but I really liked the ed song! Umbrellas! <3