2010-09-24, 11:13 | Link #3163 |
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So I was just rereading EP5, and during the whole 'letter and knock in the hallway' argument, I noticed this.
Erika makes this, and later, a few other 'special device' theories, and none of them get denied by what should be the most obvious method - Knox 4th. Shouldn't this automatically rule out any 'unknown device X'? Why didn't this get brought up at all during this discussion? I could understand if it were just Erika, Bern, and Lambda, since most of the theories get denied for other reasons and it wouldn't really be necessary to bring up, but come on, Dlanor is right freaking there!! How can she say there are 'no problems' with a theory that specifically uses the words 'secret contraption'?!
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2010-09-24, 11:32 | Link #3164 | |
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2010-09-24, 12:01 | Link #3165 |
別にいいけど
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In this case "unknown" refers to things that aren't scientifically known by our society.
For example warp devices and psionic powers are ruled out. Even if some might claim that they are "realistically" possible, there is still no actual scientific support for them. The same goes with unknown poisons or illness with peculiar properties. Even if theoretically they could exist, if there is not scientific data about them they are forbidden. The "trap x" or "device x" argument, however, is still valid, as long as you do not speculate the existence of some kind of device that goes beyond the regular technology or regular knowledge.
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2010-09-24, 18:51 | Link #3167 |
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I believe Dlanor's specific objection is things which are "unknown" (not invented yet/in 1986) or "hard to understand" (something reliant on an extensive amount of technical knowledge or extreme preparedness that don't make sense in the setting, or which would be incomprehensible to a reader).
A device to knock on a door is just a simple fulcrum, a recording is basically a tape. Things like Battler's suggestion of a wire or paper or something to pull a key under a door or a stake/bullet shooting trap in earlier episodes would also probably be a simple device, Beatrice just denies their use in those puzzles/deaths. But yeah, Dlanor can just ignore any rule not convenient to her own side. She's not required to play fair if she's not on an impartial side. She doesn't seem to like playing dirty, but she'll do it.
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2010-09-24, 22:57 | Link #3168 | |
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Once Ryukishi showed us the hiding spots in EP1-2, I assume they will be reused in later episodes. (And other spots possibly designated for other purposes, like Kuwadorian, the passage way there, the cells, if they do exist.) Technically speaking if you want people to meet and hide at a spot, good places are places like "the church" or "the shed" and not some random spot in the middle of the forest that people have to locate in the middle of the night with a raging typhoon. 8) |
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2010-10-22, 21:38 | Link #3170 |
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One of the original concepts from the introduction/background page onward was how far people would go to solve the mystery. The ending of episode 6 was where I *covers Dlanor's ears* realized the truth that a witch did it. With magic.
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2010-10-23, 21:08 | Link #3177 | |
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2010-10-23, 22:40 | Link #3180 |
Intellectual Rapist
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Fact of the matter is, Kinzo's body is not stored in the boiler room. It is stored in a place where people wouldn't smell it or where the smell can be kept in check.
I don't know what you are referencing as refuting, but Erika's little search and red are pretty weak.
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