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Old 2008-06-05, 11:27   Link #3201
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Well, the shape of the Innocences from way back when they were first talked about was that of a golden cube, made up of 109 pieces.


(Again, refer back to that scene in the OP2)
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Old 2008-06-05, 11:59   Link #3202
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Old 2008-06-05, 14:53   Link #3203
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Old 2008-06-05, 15:19   Link #3204
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Old 2008-06-05, 16:17   Link #3205
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I just wonder.. Why Yuuu didnt make Ev reaction when he use his innocence against skin... wasnt that a level up? , and what about Krory?.. i dont know, i would like that everyone become a marshall level soon
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Old 2008-06-05, 16:27   Link #3206
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It's not a "level up" for them as those powers they used were pretty much forced out of their systems. Like how Allen over used his innocence back at the case with Suman. He surpassed the limits of his innocence but it didn't grow. The same thing could be said for Kanda and Kuro (though they didn't have time to suffer the side effects of such).
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Old 2008-06-05, 16:34   Link #3207
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^ That makes sense now. So Lenalee, Krory, and Kanda did not increase the synch rate of the innocence. They only used "desperation" moves.
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Old 2008-06-05, 16:47   Link #3208
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Desperation is a good term to describe it. I also see it as a last resort that only comes from the point of death
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Old 2008-06-05, 17:21   Link #3209
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So, what you imply is that going over the limits of the "Innocence" is not the same as to make it evolve?

For example, back to the Ghost of Matel arc, Allen became so imperially pissed off at the Pierrot Akuma that his anti-Akuma weapon change for the first time.

Was that an example of a "desperation" move or truly an "evolution" of his anti-Akuma weapon?
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Old 2008-06-05, 17:57   Link #3210
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I would say that when Allen's weapon changed into gun mode that was evolution.

Basically what I see as a limit breaker are those one off stunts you won't expect to see again. Not that we will now that both Kanda and Kuro are RIP unless some fancy hocus pocus brings them back (and no dragonballs >.>).
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Old 2008-06-05, 17:58   Link #3211
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Yes, i agree with Guido, and i think that the emotions are the ones that help innocence to evolution. But i also agree with Deathkillz because maybe the innocence can evolution but the user needs some evolution to hold it, and thats why lenalee legs are bad.
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Old 2008-06-05, 18:06   Link #3212
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I just wonder.. Why Yuuu didnt make Ev reaction when he use his innocence against skin... wasnt that a level up? , and what about Krory?.. i dont know, i would like that everyone become a marshall level soon

Well, Krory's was considered a level up, but just not as huge as Allen's... And Yuu long had that new power if I'm not wrong, he didn't level up at all during that fight.

I disagree though, if everyone could be a General level, it's not as special anymore...
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Old 2008-06-05, 18:42   Link #3213
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And what about Allen's cursed eye?

His eye is somewhat of a special issue not related to Innocence at all.

The first time that it "leveled up" the Skull Mana appeared from within it, and that was middle in the Krory arc.

After that, the eye reacted on its own. That was more evidently shown during the Asia Branch arc, when it detected the presence of the Level three miles away and gave Allen excruciating pain.

According to the manga, the eye supposedly evolves in similar fashion as an Akuma evolves, except that the eye lusts and craves for the destruction of Akuma.

And the first time when the eye evolved, it allowed others besides Allen to see the souls trapped in the Akuma within a certain field. However, after that, that incident has never happened again.
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Old 2008-06-05, 20:40   Link #3214
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So, what you imply is that going over the limits of the "Innocence" is not the same as to make it evolve?

For example, back to the Ghost of Matel arc, Allen became so imperially pissed off at the Pierrot Akuma that his anti-Akuma weapon change for the first time.

Was that an example of a "desperation" move or truly an "evolution" of his anti-Akuma weapon?
As explained in previous episodes... the parasite innocence Allen has wasnt in a stable condition.. that is why it would change from gun to melee weapon.
The true form was the white clown but until now he was using it at a lvl of sync below 100%.

I dont think any of the exorcists we know of will be reaching break point since it isnt just some kind of ultimate technique like the bankai from Bleach xD
Those few that reach it are considered potential "Innocence Heart holders" and that is why they are "promoted" to Grand Marshalls. Both because of their powers and for protection.

Kind of OFF TOPIC: I never mentioned it but the OP song of D Gray Man is really catchy... it is one of the few animes i listen to the OP in each episode together with the actual Naruto OP =D
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Old 2008-06-05, 20:45   Link #3215
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Old 2008-06-05, 20:51   Link #3216
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I dont think any of the exorcists we know of will be reaching break point since it isnt just some kind of ultimate technique like the bankai from Bleach xD
Those few that reach it are considered potential "Innocence Heart holders" and that is why they are "promoted" to Grand Marshalls. Both because of their powers and for protection.
That's true, to get that 100% sync rate, you got to reach some kind of understanding with your innocence as well as yourself.

Enlightment I guess.


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Kind of OFF TOPIC: I never mentioned it but the OP song of D Gray Man is really catchy... it is one of the few animes i listen to the OP in each episode together with the actual Naruto OP =D
To me, all DGM OPs are like that, they get very catchy after awhile.
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Old 2008-06-05, 21:57   Link #3217
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Old 2008-06-05, 23:00   Link #3218
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Chaos2Frozen, the girl of your sig is gorgeously hot.

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How would I wish her to be Lenalee.
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Old 2008-06-05, 23:58   Link #3219
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Busy IRL, but I just saw episode 86, and DAMN, it was epix.

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I disagree though, if everyone could be a General level, it's not as special anymore...
I AGREE, then, it'd be like Code Geass, where it used to be special, where only Lelouch had it.

Then you get people like Rolo, Mao, Charles Di Brittania...

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To me, all DGM OPs are like that, they get very catchy after awhile.
Do I fail 'cause I didn't really like Innocent Sorrow?
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Old 2008-06-06, 08:18   Link #3220
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Chaos2Frozen, the girl of your sig is gorgeously hot.

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How would I wish her to be Lenalee.

Did you just notice her? I'm disappoint Guido... tsk tsk...




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I AGREE, then, it'd be like Code Geass, where it used to be special, where only Lelouch had it.

Then you get people like Rolo, Mao, Charles Di Brittania...
Well you can't compare the 2, it has already long been said by the writers that there WILL be more Geass user... It's rare, but that not unique.


It's much easier to compare it to the Captains of Bleach, where at this point there are plenty of people as leet as them.

Or at least, there's too many situations that warrants their personal attention.

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Do I fail 'cause I didn't really like Innocent Sorrow?
Very much, yes
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