Character Discussion - Lelouch

[Nogitsune]

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

It doesn't really fit to any other situation while for this scene it's just perfect.

But he also deceived Nunally - more than once.
And I think Nunally was much more "broken" than Kallen.

This guy didn't deserved his end :/ At all.

I disagree.
Lelouch got exactly what he wanted, and I think he deserves his (incredibly sad) happy ending.

[pingva]

Originally Posted by blottyparchment

I hope it's not too late to post the lyrics to Lelouch's R2 char song. There are some mistakes in the translation. People can feel free to improve on/correct it.

Spoiler for Regeneration lyrics:

沈黙主張する顔
A face insisting on silence
情熱隠したままで
concealing passion
押さえつけられて生きるのか
living weighted down
奇跡手に入れるには
to obtain these miracles
時に心捨てる
I throw my heart away
君の涙つらいけど
Though your tears are painful


暗闇がより深ければ
The darkness deepens
星はより光るだろう
The stars grow brighter
なら悪にでも
Even if I have to be evil
魂を引き替えても
Even if I have to sell my soul


世界が変わる　そのときまで
I will change the world, 'til that time
突き上げてく　炎の剣
Thrusting a sword of flame
進むべき 空の下で
I must move forward, beneath this sky
守る君のために
in order to protect you


修羅の道を行く者
the one who treads on this scene of carnage
二度と引き返せない
cannot turn back anymore
砕け散り灰になろうとも
even if I turn into powdered ashes


命限りあるから
because there is a limit to life
賭ける値打ちがある
(a life) worth betting on
つなぐ指をほどいても
even if you/I let go of our linked fingers (this seems to refer to a promise - yubikiri)
幸せが目に見えるなら
if happiness can be seen in the eyes
君に見せられるなら
if I can show it to you
地の果てまでも
even if I stand at the end of this world
闇の終わりに立とうと
stand on the edge of darkness

世界が変わる　その朝には
I will change the world
this morning
目を細めて空をみるだろう
eyes narrowed, look up to the skies
この腕に君と光
抱きしめるときまで
until the time I hold you and the light in this arms


世界が変わる　そのときまで
I will change the world, 'til that time
突き上げてく　炎の剣
Thrusting a sword of flame
進むべき 空の下で
I must move forward, beneath this sky
守る君のために
in order to protect you

I feel that Lelouch in the begining is singing about his lies to his friends (he can't say them anything, his perfomance should be flawless) and the rest part seems is mostly about Nunnally and Lelouch.

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

Other parts seems to Nunally but first verse...a face emotionless while the other who is facing him is broken...it reminds a lot a certain secene of turn 22 no ? I never saw Lelouch emotionless in front of a person before this moment, I can accept doubts about the meaning of his last flashback(still the kiss scene...what an important moment to him ) but to deny that this part screams Turn 22, kiss scene...

It doesn't really fit to any other situation while for this scene it's just perfect.

This guy didn't deserved his end :/ At all.

Meh, I thought it suited the scenes with C.C in Turn 23 and Turn 24 myself. Though more likely then not I think the whole song was dedicated to and applies more to Nunnally entirely if I don't try to be bias in my ships direction

[Dhang]

Hmm, I saw this on another forum. At the bottom in the Reader's column, someone brought up the issue of the cart driver. I wonder if Sunrise is willing to give some answers about it...

最後のC.C.の言葉ですが…あの馬車の男性はもしかすると...? またまたコードギアスは疑問を残してくれましたね。 （ペンネーム：黒雪姫）

最終話の最後のシーンが好きです。C.C.が「そうだろ？　ルル―シュ」ってやつです （ペンネーム：モモモ）

[Narona]

Originally Posted by Dhang

Hmm, I saw this on another forum. At the bottom in the Reader's column, someone brought up the issue of the cart driver. I wonder if Sunrise is willing to give some answers about it...

Can you provide a translation please?

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Narona

Can you provide a translation please?

In the first one the poster is wondering who the cart driver may be, and then he said that perhaps that was left as an unsolved question. The second poster said he liked the last scene, where C.C. told "that guy" "Right Lelouch?".

Some Japanese fans - just as much as some Western fans - believe Lelouch became immortal and that he may be the cart driver. I think there was even fanart about that just 30 minutes after the last episode aired.

Anyway, just because some Japanese fans think that way that doesn't turn the theory into a fact. Give their ideas as much credibility as you'd give a Western fan's.

[Darkside]

the cart driver is mao

[Vakir]

Originally Posted by Darkside

the cart driver is mao

The cart driver has short black hair.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Vakir

The cart driver has short black hair.

And you know this how?

[Vakir]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

And you know this how?

22:18 on the gg subs. Upper left corner.

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

And you know this how?

For the lulz:

[lovecakecookies]

holy crap, I didn't know the cart driver had black hair

and from what I hear, the Japanese fandom is split 50/50 like here..

[Narona]

Originally Posted by lovecakecookies

holy crap, I didn't know the cart driver had black hair

One more case of over-analyzing

It could be a shadow on the side of the cart driver's face

[lovecakecookies]

Originally Posted by Narona

One more case of over-analyzing

It could be a shadow on the side of the cart driver's face

you know what we say here over-analyzing FTW...

but let me see.. I will recheck it now

That's what I thought Narona..

[Deliberation]

Originally Posted by lovecakecookies

holy crap, I didn't know the cart driver had black hair

and from what I hear, the Japanese fandom is split 50/50 like here..

lol it's certainly over analyzing alright.

It's anime not real life. It could be black lines to form his cloth-hat thingy or a shadow.

Anyways a thought the weather is certainly very nice and driver to be so covered up and it's a little weird actually. It's not really that bright or hot. C.C's like staring at the sky like it's cloudy and she's enjoying herself.

[lovecakecookies]

Originally Posted by Deliberation

lol it's certainly over analyzing alright.

It's anime not real life. It could be black lines to form his cloth-hat thingy or a shadow.

Anyways a thought the weather is certainly very nice and driver to be so covered up and it's a little weird actually. It's not really that bright or hot. C.C's like staring at the sky like it's cloudy and she's enjoying herself.

No, its not actually , they always wear it.. protection from the sun....
typical cart drivers look like that..

[Theron]

Uh.. Like there is something else to do besides overanalysing...

Everything boils down to two possibilities:
Lelouch is alive / Lelouch is dead

Pick either one - still 50% chance to guess right. At this point everything was discussed and most probable theories established. The only thing that we lack is fuel. As long as there is no new info any discussion turns into repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over...

What else have we left if not over analysing the same old stuff coz we don’t have any new?

[Deliberation]

Originally Posted by lovecakecookies

No, its not actually , they always wear it.. protection from the sun....
typical cart drivers look like that..

Yeah typical cart drivers normally wear it to protect from the sun. But sometimes when the weather is nice and cloudy. I don't think they would wear it. I don't maybe just me. When the weather is really nice. I would take off my hat. When it's sunny it'll wear it. You know what I mean?

[Narona]

Originally Posted by lovecakecookies

you know what we say here over-analyzing FTW...

but let me see.. I will recheck it now

That's what I thought Narona..

I quoted the wrong message Sorry =(

[lovecakecookies]

Originally Posted by Theron

Uh.. Like there is something else to do besides overanalysing...

Everything boils down to two possibilities:
Lelouch is alive / Lelouch is dead

Pick either one - still 50% chance to guess right. At this point everything was discussed and most probable theories established. The only thing that we lack is fuel. As long as there is no new info any discussion turns into repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over...

What else have we left if not over analysing the same old stuff coz we don’t have any new?

There is not a 50 percent chance he alive.. more like 25 percent?

50 percent of fans believe he is alive, sadly there is more Facts, not theories, to his death than he is alive.. (like being stabbed in the heart) ..

New info? Maybe the Magazines that come out this month might change opinions.. like mine.

Originally Posted by Narona

I quoted the wrong message Sorry =(

huh? what was wrong?