Claymore Chapter 118

[creb]

Originally Posted by Ryus

^Agreed... would make this whole plot line kinda contrived and would convolute the build up over with these characters we've had thus far. I have no problem with either Miria or Hysteria losing/dying but I demand it be done well.

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When has Miria been annoying? That's not her personality at all (think Helen for having an annoying personality, though in a likable way )

Now if you mean you find her annoying and not that she is annoying, well that's just a matter of poor taste.

I recall people going mad with glee when Miria attacked the org in ch 106, so most people don't find her character annoying at all, only the way Yagi has used her of late has been annoying.

I'm just annoyed she's ugly now. Yes, I'm that shallow.

As much as I like the Ghosts, Claymore has lost something with all the power-uping that's gone on over the last six months/year (geeze, how long has it been now since the time-skip?), where we've been lulled into thinking the Ghosts have <Plot Armor +5>. It's been a while since I've felt any of them were in any real danger of dying. Even Miria's "death" was like, "yea, right Yagi".

So, I think it'd be nice to shake things up again, so I'm once more left in actual suspense concerning whether major character Claymore X, Y, or Z may survive whatever seemingly high odds she is facing.

Of course, I wouldn't mind if he choose some other Claymores besides Miria to hit with his <Author's Sword of Doom> to serve notice he hasn't gone soft on us.

[rafael1932]

Originally Posted by Double_friedman

It's been a year!! Wow, I haven't noticed it's been a long time.

According to who that means "fighting better than number 1". In what episode did the MIB explain that? And remember, Alicia had a E or F in leadership, so, no, I don't think Alicia even fought in groups.
As everybody could witness Miria sucked in the fight against the male AB. So, no, Alicia wouldn't have sucked against that ABeing.
We only know that Ophelia and the MiB said she was good in groups, but they never elaborated, and the facts (Male AB, Pieta, Hilda AB) proved she was sometimes good, somtimes regular, sometimes bad.

Everybody knows the name of the single digits and their abilities as well; no one knows the name of a number 10, so her abilities to fight in groups must be very good at least. With Hilda was not a real fight because she didn’t wanted to kill her and in the spider ab she didn’t had enough experienced soldiers with her( she says that). In 1 versus 1 she was quite good for a while who makes me think that she would do just fine if she had more soldiers like her ( at least more 1 like her). You saw the time she last alone with that guy

Even if Alicia and beth are better than miria we are simple not being fair because they know very well their fight style ( the twins only have fought with themselves for years) versus miria that gets a new group ever time and have to analyze there what to do next – while trying to watch the awakened abilities

Also, this was said before the existence of the twins. I was just pointing that miria is still a capable leader when fighting in groups. Maybe now she is the second ( actually not because Alicia and beth are dead now). Well she was known by that, so she is skilled in fighting while in groups and not only beforehand like pieta- that was my point. Alicia and beth was way better than miria but only by the reasons I just said. Maybe she have already lost with those new twins but only in close combat tactics.

About the mib is just like you see them. If you think that they are scientists ( like me) you will take their word very serious. I do that after all they are the ones making the projects ( the twins projects, the abyssal eaters project, the eye project – well this is no longer new but they can train the many they want- , that number 10 project- raftela). So they must be good at analyzing this kind of things.

So in close combat tactics:
. Alicia and beth
. new twins
. miria

[Double_friedman]

Originally Posted by rafael1932

Everybody knows the name of the single digits and their abilities as well; no one knows the name of a number 10, so her abilities to fight in groups must be very good at least. With Hilda was not a real fight because she didn’t wanted to kill her and in the spider ab she didn’t had enough experienced soldiers with her( she says that). In 1 versus 1 she was quite good for a while who makes me think that she would do just fine if she had more soldiers like her ( at least more 1 like her). You saw the time she last alone with that guy

Even if Alicia and beth are better than miria we are simple not being fair because they know very well their fight style ( the twins only have fought with themselves for years) versus miria that gets a new group ever time and have to analyze there what to do next – while trying to watch the awakened abilities

Also, this was said before the existence of the twins. I was just pointing that miria is still a capable leader when fighting in groups. Maybe now she is the second ( actually not because Alicia and beth are dead now). Well she was known by that, so she is skilled in fighting while in groups and not only beforehand like pieta- that was my point. Alicia and beth was way better than miria but only by the reasons I just said. Maybe she have already lost with those new twins but only in close combat tactics.

About the mib is just like you see them. If you think that they are scientists ( like me) you will take their word very serious. I do that after all they are the ones making the projects ( the twins projects, the abyssal eaters project, the eye project – well this is no longer new but they can train the many they want- , that number 10 project- raftela). So they must be good at analyzing this kind of things.

So:
. Alicia and beth
. new twins
. miria

Sorry I was not clear enough.
Quote of you: "which means that she analyses the battlefield and can support her team where they need help. Or that she attacks in the back with her special ability while the others girls are trying to get the attention of the awakened."
You said that to be the best at fighting in groups meant that. So how do you know that? Who said that?

When I introduced Alicia, I was trying to say that (if Beth is not around) she is not good at fighting in groups, given the fact that she doesn't speak and isn't leader material, as you can see by her stats.And I said that I highly doubt that Miria is able to match Alicia in a fight.
If Alicia would have fought the male AB in company of the other three half awakened, she would have just trashed him with or without their help. Miria, as everybody can see, wasn't able to hurt him seriously until Clare entered the scene. So, now, let's ask ourselves, what did Ophelia/MiB mean when they said that Miria was superior to Alicia when fighting in groups? Maybe they meant that when fighting in groups, Miria was so efficient that her power SEEMED to double, but that doesn't mean that she was better at fighting than Alicia. Maybe she's very good working in groups, so she's the most efficient warrior, but that doesn't mean she's even 10% of Alicia.

[rafael1932]

Originally Posted by Double_friedman

You said that to be the best at fighting in groups meant that. So how do you know that? Who said that?

Well, i am. You can’t expect to see miria fighting alone when she is in a group specific designed to hunt awakened. In groups it is suppose that all of them do something. Miria is doing something like I said. I don’t remember how much awakened hunts she have gone when she met clare and deneve, but I hope or imagine that some fight like that would happen.

So, for example:
. 2 claymores attack the awakened
. 1 tries to surprise the awakened
. the awakened sees that it is a trap and attack the one that is trying to surprise him
. miria uses her special ability to get behind his back and serious hurt him or cut his head down

I am just saying how miria works in a team. Let’s assume that something bad happens, she will try to put herself in the middle of the awakened and the claymore ( I remember to see this in the anime at pieta). So, she can analyze the battlefield to balance things. You just can’t hope that she will do great if the gap between the awakened and the hunt team is too great. But since she is recognized like that we may assume that she can do something even if the power balances to the awakened. This thing of she is better than the number 1 is more like intelligence and capacity to read the battlefield rather then brute force or yoki power.

Originally Posted by Double_friedman

When I introduced Alicia, I was trying to say that (if Beth is not around) she is not good at fighting in groups, given the fact that she doesn't speak and isn't leader material, as you can see by her stats.And I said that I highly doubt that Miria is able to match Alicia in a fight.

Oh, I see. I think that the mib is trying to say about combat tactics only. Forget about yoki power and agility and etc. Is far too ridiculous putting miria side by side with Alicia in terms of fighting. I am pretty sure that the mib is only talking about intelligence or capacity to adapt to the type of enemy.
Alicia would kill many mirias at the same time

If miria is good as a number 1 when fighting in a group that means that she is also good fighting alone as well or becomes stupid. Is what I am saying – in terms of leadership that miria is better than the number 1.

Originally Posted by Double_friedman

Maybe she's very good working in groups, so she's the most efficient warrior, but that doesn't mean she's even 10% of Alicia.

Yes, something like that. the mib was talking about 1 parameter alone that made her better than a number 1.

Ps: I think that we are saying the same thing. However you say efficiency and i like more intelligence.

[Ulquihorror]

What's so hard to understand about Miria exceeding number one in group battles? They didn't imply that Miria was stronger than a number one when in group, they said that she is more efficient in intereacting with others and has better group reflexes.

[Claymore!]

I really didn't want to get into this debate, i find it quite foolish to debate her leadership abilities

Miria is a great leader, why else would the ghost follow her? Clare is the one who defeated Rigaldo, but they all still follow Miria.
Think of the first 3 awakened beings that attacked Pieta. Miria handled those really well. She put the weaker claymores on her team so she could look after them and protect them. She also sent two groups to attack each AB for back up. She was a very intelligent leader. People that say that she is a bad leader is like saying that AB's aren't evil.
Miria is a great leader. She wouldn't have been given such plot armor if she wasn't. Miria is the Ghosts leader, do you think that they would have done so well against Rosemary if they hadn't been trained together by Miria to fight against awakened beings.

[Gooral]

NEW SPOILER!!! Looks like real one this time:

Spoiler for 119 spoiler in Japanese::

作者の都合により名無しです：2011/10/01(土) 20:58:18.30 ID:cSmXcCBL0
いつものネタバレ厨だよー＾＾＾＾＾

今回はマジでネ申回。
っていっても[元ロクサーヌ（×）]カサンドラの回想だけど。

瀕死状態のおしっこマンであったがカサンドラの攻撃が突然止み棒立ち。
徐々にカサンドラの記憶が蘇るとともに死んだ時の傷跡も開いていく。
そして回想。

ロクサーヌがカサンドラに塵喰いの名を言った後、カサンドラが心から親友と思える人物と出会う 。
それはＮｏ35（シンシア似）の戦士で覚醒者討伐に失敗した唯一の生き残り。
誰にも見せまいと人前では封印していた技であったが、うかつにも使ってしまい後悔するものの、そのＮｏ35 （シンシア似）は泣きながら感謝する。
それ以降カサンドラとＮｏ35は親密な関係になっていくが、とある日にＮｏ35（シンシア似）とロクサーヌ （当時Ｎｏ2）が同じ覚醒者狩りに参加。

そしてその後、そのＮｏ35を残しロクサーヌと一緒にいた戦士は失敗という形にして戻ってきた という。
（Ｎｏ35（シンシア似）はﾚｲｰﾌﾟされまくったあげく虐殺された）
カサンドラマジギレして組織の戦士全員を敵に回すもロクサーヌ+全戦士相手には叶わずリンチ。

この記憶が完全に蘇り、[元ロクサーヌ（×）]カサンドラ覚醒。

こんなカンジだった。確実にカサンドラ（覚醒体）ｖｓロクサーヌだけど、ロクサーヌまだ余裕ある顔してたし これは負けそうだな・・・
まじ感動ものだったからカサンドラに勝ってもらいたい。そして友の仇とってもらいたいわ。
（勝機があるとしたらダーエが覚醒することに対してわかっている素振りだった何か裏がありそう・・くらいか な）

397 ：作者の都合により名無しです：2011/10/01(土) 21:01:34.92 ID:cSmXcCBL0
ああ。でもカサンドラまじでいいわ。感動したわ。もうやばいよ。カサンドラ。
これでカサンドラ派増殖しそう。そして逆にロクサーヌ市ね厨が沸きそう。

あとオシッコマン、カサンドラの血ふぶきでぶっかけ描写あったしオシッコマン好きにはいいかも しれん。

Spoiler for Google translate::

The nameless, due to the author: 2011/10/01 (Sat) 20:58:18.30 ID: cSmXcCBL0
Netabare kitchen always seems ^^^^^

Seriously Shin times this value.
What is even if [Roxanne yuan (×)] but Cassandra's reminiscences.

Cassandra attacks ceased suddenly standing upright man pee was moribund.
Open wounds will also revive memories of Cassandra dies along slowly.
And reminiscence.

After saying the name is Cassandra Roxanne dust pile, he meets a friend who seems sincerely and Cassandra.
It No35 (Cynthia) failed to subdue the only survivor in the wake of warriors.
If anyone is in front of others was 見Semai technique had been sealed, but inadvertently ends up using to regret, No35 that (Cynthia) is grateful tears.
No35 Cassandra and later become a close relationship, No35 on the day with (Cynthia) and Roxanne (No2 at the time) who participates in hunting the same awakening.

And then, along with the warriors had left No35 Roxanne is said to come back to the form of failure.
(No35 (Cynthia) was massacred Saremakuttaageku Reifu)
Roxanne + warrior against all warriors can make an enemy of everyone by Cassandra Majigire organization is 叶Wazu Lynch.

This memory is fully revived, Roxanne yuan (×)] Cassandra arousal.

Was like this. Cassandra ensure (a wake) I vs Roxanne, which still had a lot to look generous and likely will lose Roxanne
Was the hope of winning the Cassandra Seriously impressed. And I want to take the old friend.
(How much of what was likely behind the attitude that you know to be awake If there's a chance to win Dae)

397: The nameless, due to the author: 2011/10/01 (Sat) 21:01:34.92 ID: cSmXcCBL0
Oh. Cassandra was also good for real. I was impressed. I already dangerous. Cassandra.
Cassandra likely to grow in this school. Roxanne city aside so I reversed and kitchen.

Man Pee later, and was like man piss bukkake Representative in blizzards Cassandra blood test may be good.

Edit:

Spoiler for ch. 119:

Looks like Raftela has brought Cassandra's memory back and Cassandra or Roxanne (probably Cassandra) awakened. And looks like we'll see Cassie vs. Roxy fight after all. It looks like we will also see how Cassandra was killed (126 slashes are mentioned).

I finally might give the chapter something more than 7 after all this time.

[fraktur]

Spoiler for 119:

397: The nameless, due to the author: 2011/10/01 (Sat) 21:01:34.92 ID: cSmXcCBL0
Man Pee later, and was like man piss bukkake Representative in blizzards Cassandra blood test may be good.

Spoiler for 119:

although funny, not as awesome as the "extraordinary freak storm"
yes, this spoiler seems more likely but i hoped we would see a little bit of the m/h battle as well. anyway: i can't really understand much. roxanne killed the survivor of the cassandra battle? Is most of this chapter a flashback or does the fight between the two already start in 119?

[Gooral]

I prefer this one much more than previous one. While previous one seemed interesting as a spoiler, I wouldn't like to see Claymore to go into that direction.

As for the fight, it seems

Spoiler for 119:

it has already started. So we have a little earthquake in this chapter. Personally I can't wait, it's bound to be awesome. And we should know just how strong Roxanne and Cassandra really are and who is stronger which I find very interesting. Power levels in Claymore are as fun as seeing new bankai in Bleach ;P.

[Shiek927]

I have only two words to describe that spoiler: "Man Pee"

Spoiler for 119:

Still, it does look like we're getting away from the controversal last spoiler that people partly liked/disliked; I have to say, a Cassie vs Roxy fight does sound more exciting. I'm hoping to see what Cassandra can really do

[fraktur]

Spoiler for 119:

yes i prefer this spoiler as well, but the googletranslation of the last spoiler was just epic
So not just a flasback then. Also I think that Cynthia is a mistranslation as Cynthia was in the 10-20 range as far as i remember.
I know it's extremely likely but I'll still be pissed if we get just another tease this chapter: Roxanne/Cassandra awakens on the last page but we just see the "explosion" and have to wait another month to see the awakened form. I would prefer a 1 on 1 claymorefight between them instead of this. It would help us to judge the dust eater and finally see "elizabeths sword technique". But as long as the former 1s aren't finished off in one chapter I'm not dissapointed

[Tom Bombadil]

Yep, this got to be the real deal, we need the Chapter 119 thread.

Spoiler for chap 119:

Cassandra gets her memory back.

She met her future BBF, No. 35 and the sole survivor of a AB hunting mission. Cassandra has to used a sealed-away technique never shown to anyone to save her.

On a certain day, No.35 and No.2 Roxanne joins a AB hunting team. The rest of the team came back in terrible form without No.35, who was raped, tortured and killed.
Cassandra went mad and turned on the organization.

Back to the current timeline, Cassandra awakens.

Then the guy also remarked that Roxanne seems to be unfazed facing awakened Cassandra, and it seems that Dae was also relaxed about the awaking.
He also said that the chapter was very moving, and the Cassandra fans would multiply!

[Fermat]

Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil

Yep, this got to be the real deal, we need the Chapter 119 thread.

Spoiler for chap 119:

Cassandra gets her memory back.

She met her future BBF, No. 35 and the sole survivor of a AB hunting mission. Cassandra has to used a sealed-away technique never shown to anyone to save her.

On a certain day, No.35 and No.2 Roxanne joins a AB hunting team. The rest of the team came back in terrible form without No.35, who was raped, tortured and killed.
Cassandra went mad and turned on the organization.

Back to the current timeline, Cassandra awakens.

Then the guy also remarked that Roxanne seems to be unfazed facing awakened Cassandra, and it seems that Dae was also relaxed about the awaking.
He also said that the chapter was very moving, and the Cassandra fans would multiply!

Spoiler for 119:

Thanks for the translation. I originally posted what I could understand and have now edited it out, as it would be redundant.

Personally, I would've wanted claymore Cassandra vs claymore Roxanne so we can gauge them on more or less even terms.

If Roxanne had something to do with Cassandra's friend's death, then Cassandra just got another reason to attack her, aside from the fact that Roxanne killed her. If Roxanne had indeed caused former No. 35's death, then I have to say she's turning out to be one hell of a villain. The fact that Roxanne seems unfazed when facing an AO-level being is quite foreboding. She just might give us another taste of Teresa vs awakened Rosemary. A psycho bitch with that much power is quite frightening, really.

[Ulquihorror]

Spoiler:

wtf, bukkake? Did I really read bukkake? lmao

[Negativedark]

Spoiler for chapter119:

The fact Dae and Roxanne aren't alarmed by Cassandra's awakening, is very forboding to me. Well I'll have to wait until the actual chapter comes out.

[MalakTawus]

Spoiler for chap. 119:

So another month without Claire and Prissy,right?
Well,we all know that the time is not right yet....but for some masochistic reason each month i always have a spark of hope and every time i feel like crying,lol......damn hope.......
Fortunately this chapter seems to be very interesting!

[haegar]

2nd spoiler souds interesting too, though I gotta say I was indeed lookin forward to freakstorm miria

[Jean Claymore]

Originally Posted by haegar

2nd spoiler souds interesting too, though I gotta say I was indeed lookin forward to freakstorm miria

Spoiler for 119:

My guess is "Hysteria dies anyway" whether Miria beats the s**t out of her or gets back up from Deneve's group. Though can't wait for Cassandra vs Roxanne fight if she comes to remember what really happened in there past. Man, we're finally getting some Battle Royale in ages (Oh, didn't mean that nasty survival manga )