Code Geass R2 - Episode 15 Discussion / Poll

[El_Negro]

Wow the $hit just got more interesting.

From the looks of it Charles now gained immortality through his brother V.V.
(good 4 that little piece of $hit; that's what u get for meddling with LuLu and trusting a power-hungry corrupt brother)
blood's thicker than water. From the looks of that kiss pose Charles was absorbing C.C. geass and immortality as well, guess C.C. did care 4 Lulu and doesn't not want him to tread down the path of immortality (because it leads to lonilness) since she transported his mind to her mental images of her past life to allow Charles to finish off the contract to practically make him into a GOD!!! :-( I guess that has to relate to the relationship between C.C. and Marianne since they were tight girlfriends in the past.

Pretty upset that they didn't give much insight into Marieanne but from my guess it's V.V.
same Rollo//Shirley complex. Maybe Marieanne & Charles did have a loving relationship and V.V. just like rollo got pissed and got her assasinated and then talk to Charles to tell him to remember their contract.

Now that C.C. a mortal girl I guess the knights are short of one good pilot and to make matters worse from the looks of it since C.C. geass powers are taken by Chuckles Lulu lost his geass ability. the only upside to this is that no-one can prove that he has geass since it's gone. Only Cornelia, Suzaku, Kallen, Jeremiah & probably Schniezel will know.

Now that Schnizey's got a bomb thanks to "pyscho-lesbian" nina, he's gonna use it as a power play to up Britainnia's advantage in the war.

But we'll see soon, can't wait for the Union of Nations Resolution #1: episode

[El_Negro]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

And people say my claims of Lelouch telling her he'll rescue her just to give her hope and just because she's the ace of the Order are wrong...

WRONG!!!! episode 17: Taste of dirt

Lulu goes to meet with Suzaku to talk, also it states that the only person Lulu can trust to protect Nunnally is Suzaku, he can't jeopardize rescuing nunnally, Suzaku already is protecting her from Britiannia as well as Anya.

Kallen is his friggin "ACE" something tells me that he might end up trading Cornelia for Kallen, although that could unlikely happen and that in itself might serve as a double edged sword (Cornelia returning to Britainnia would mean the return of the Glaston Knights)

[danaman]

Originally Posted by jafri

Shit, No wonder my life has gone shitty bcoz of this since weeks.

But first, The truth about marriane (lulu's mom) . And then Rollo bcoz he deserved to burn in hell to avenge for shirley by secretly planting his bomb in vincent as a Final Word. Yes, That's exactly what i really WANT!! AVENGE HER ALREADY!!

I mean come on, I've been dying of waiting for this every weekend bcoz of the answer has about to revealed soon.

Revenge is always a sin... Lulu killed the innocent princess on accident and Rolo killed Shirley unknowingly, then what makes Rolo any different from Lulu? Why would Rolo deserve to die? It would just create a never ending cycle of hate.

[Dream_Traveller]

...What has that got to do with anything I said? For all we know, the two might just have one last heart to heart or something like that.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by danaman

Revenge is always a sin... Lulu killed the innocent princess on accident and Rolo killed Shirley unknowingly, then what makes Rolo any different from Lulu? Why would Rolo deserve to die? It would just create a never ending cycle of hate.

unknowingly ?
he froze her
shot her
and handed her her gun back so it looks like she killed herself
and he did all that after she just told him she wants to help protect lulu
whether or not lulu deserves to die for what happened to euphie is debateble
rolo however deserves to die

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

unknowingly ?
he froze her
shot her
and handed her her gun back so it looks like she killed herself
and he did all that after she just told him she wants to help protect lulu
whether or not lulu deserves to die for what happened to euphie is debateble
rolo however deserves to die

Well, I she the hate hasn't really died down yet. Dear Rolo, I wish you well, prove these people wrong by showing that you can redeem yourself

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by danaman

Revenge is always a sin... Lulu killed the innocent princess on accident and Rolo killed Shirley unknowingly, then what makes Rolo any different from Lulu? Why would Rolo deserve to die? It would just create a never ending cycle of hate.

Huh? Rolo killed Shirley due to jealously of Shirley and the possibility of Nunally. It was intentional and deliberate. Besides, there would not be a never ending cycle of hate if Rolo dies because, sadly enough, no one in the Geass world would miss Rolo.

That is why Rolo clings so ruggedly to Lelouch, the only person who shows any resemblance of caring for him.

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Huh? Rolo killed Shirley due to jealously of Shirley and the possibility of Nunally. It was intentional and deliberate. Besides, there would not be a never ending cycle of hate if Rolo dies because, sadly enough, no one in the Geass world would miss Rolo.

That is why Rolo clings so ruggedly to Lelouch, the only person who shows any resemblance of caring for him.

Once again, I will say that rather then hate I pity Rolo, and hope that if he goes he goes out well

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

Well, I she the hate hasn't really died down yet. Dear Rolo, I wish you well, prove these people wrong by showing that you can redeem yourself

hate dying down
show these people

come on man
im just pointing out that what he did can not be said to have been done unknowingly
thats it
i really rather you didnt group me with "these people"
its offensive and unjustified
if he redeems him self then so be it
but i find it hard to imagine

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

hate dying down
show these people

come on man
im just pointing out that what he did can not be said to have been done unknowingly
thats it
i really rather you didnt group me with "these people"
its offensive and unjustified
if he redeems him self then so be it
but i find it hard to imagine

Okay, okay, but first how about you give him a chance to do so will you?

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

Okay, okay, but first how about you give him a chance to do so will you?

like i said
if he redeems him self then so be it

[RPNS]

Even after redeeming himself I want Rolo to die.

[Kovensky]

Rolo will die a redeeming death

[Dyllani]

I'm sad for Shirley, but all Rolo does is for Lelouch. Rolo doesn't need redemption, because he killed her for the right reasons. The truth can be a dangerous thing, and Shirley running around knowing the "Truth" was not ideal. It could have hurt Lelouch's rebellion.

Unlike that weakling Suzaku (who didn't have the balls to get his answers from Kallen), Rolo will do what need to be done to help Lelouch acheive his goals. We all know Rolo takes the issues of secrecy very seriously. As we saw in the Intelligence Agency, he will protect the truth in the most efficient way.

Unfortunately for Shirley, she knew something she shouldn't. It was a bad situation, but it doen't make Rolo a bad person. Although, I'm inclined to believe that Shirly got a messy death, because she mentioned you-know-who. Had she just said, "I know Lelouch is Zero", she would have gotten a quick, clean death.

[Freya]

Hey...doesn't that mean orange lost his Geass too?

[morbosfist]

Not necessarily. He gained his Geass through modification. It may not be an actual Geass.

[Freya]

ooo that would be interesting.

[JerryShaw]

Okay, I'm not a huge fan of Suzaku either, but I don't think people should bash on Suzaku for not going through with the drug thing. I really glad the writers didn't make Suzaku go down that road, because it's just not as interesting if Suzaku throws away his belief in integrity. As it is, I was getting worried that Suzaku might turn into one of those I'll-do-whatever-it-takes-to-kill-LL guy. At least this way, Suzaku actually maintains his character and sticks to it.

Anyway, a question. Was Charles trying to take CC's immortality too? If so, why? Isn't he already an immortal from VV's symbol?

[holyman282]

Originally Posted by JerryShaw

Okay, I'm not a huge fan of Suzaku either, but I don't think people should bash on Suzaku for not going through with the drug thing. I really glad the writers didn't make Suzaku go down that road, because it's just not as interesting if Suzaku throws away his belief in integrity. As it is, I was getting worried that Suzaku might turn into one of those I'll-do-whatever-it-takes-to-kill-LL guy. At least this way, Suzaku actually maintains his character and sticks to it.

Anyway, a question. Was Charles trying to take CC's immortality too? If so, why? Isn't he already an immortal from VV's symbol?

Suzaku has never ever maintained his character and stuck to his beliefs even less.

I would like to point to the post i have made a few pages before:

Originally Posted by holyman282

Now onto Suzaku, I've never liked him ever from the start of Code Geass and after this ep probably never will. What i realised from him is that he is like a bank of contradictions, if by any chance people felt that just because he didn't give Kallen the refrain made him a better person you're wrong. His reason for that was so that he won't be like Lelouch (i.e. in his perception of Lelouch as a ruthless scheming villain who will manipulate and use anything to gain an advantage) yet he seemed to have forgotten that when he tried to use Nunnally to try to see if Lelouch has regained his memory or when he handed Lelouch in order to become part of the Knights of Rounds. Suzaku is too blinded by his own sense of self righteousness that he doesn't realise he has already crossed the line by doing the very things that was trying to prevent.

It is also interesting to note that Suzaku said to Nunnally the exact same thing that Lelouch said to her in Season 1 and that is that he will never lie to her. Once again he contradicted himself there cause he lied when he told her that the person on the phone was not her brother or the fact that Lelouch is in fact Zero.

Overall great ep and I know I haven't said much about the Ohgi Villeta development but frankly after all that happened this ep their scenes just wasn't all that interesting, I'd much preferred it if they showed more of Lelouch and C.C then going to their scenes. But overall 10/10 definitely. Very epic ep.

Suzaku, integrity? What integrity? Beliefs? What beliefs? If by that you mean his superficial sense of justice which he'll momentarily forget at the most opportune times e.g. Using Nunnally against Lelouch or lying to Nunnally about her brother.

What annoys me more this ep about Suzaku is I get the feeling he's feeling pretty good about himself thinking that he hasn't become like Lelouch where incidently he's already committed the deeds he supposedly see in Lelouch/Zero several eps back.

So no, Suzaku is quite the opposite of what you say he is. He is probably the most contradictory character i've ever seen, becoming self conceited in his own righteousness one minute then using the very underhanded tactics he believed to be evil the next minute.

He never stayed true to his beliefs and I'm having doubts now whether his true intention currently is to free the japanese or just to get revenge for Euphie's death.

[Spectacular_Insanity]

Originally Posted by JerryShaw

Okay, I'm not a huge fan of Suzaku either, but I don't think people should bash on Suzaku for not going through with the drug thing. I really glad the writers didn't make Suzaku go down that road, because it's just not as interesting if Suzaku throws away his belief in integrity. As it is, I was getting worried that Suzaku might turn into one of those I'll-do-whatever-it-takes-to-kill-LL guy. At least this way, Suzaku actually maintains his character and sticks to it.

Anyway, a question. Was Charles trying to take CC's immortality too? If so, why? Isn't he already an immortal from VV's symbol?

I agree with holyman282. Suzaku did not "stick to his beliefs" at all. He did the right thing for the wrong reasons, which is even worse than doing the inverse (doing the wrong thing for the right reasons). No... he threw away his beliefs after Euphemia died, and has been lying to himself to justify his own actions ever since, lying to himself and everyone around him that everything is for Japan's sake. Well, he's a damn liar. Nunnally is doing more for Japan than Suzaku is, and she can't even see or walk.