Character Discussion - Kallen

[equinox822]

Let me throw this grapefruit in here. Why is everyone so against KallenxGino in the Kallen fandom? His character is quite similar to hers, a person loyal to his country, strong-willed and relaxed? Also, don't say that it's for the same reason why C.C. fans hate anything but CluClu. I'm not trying to provoke any hostility here, I just want to know why this is so.

[dec4rhapsody]

Originally Posted by equinox822

Let me throw this grapefruit in here. Why is everyone so against KallenxGino in the Kallen fandom? His character is quite similar to hers, a person loyal to his country, strong-willed and relaxed? Also, don't say that it's for the same reason why C.C. fans hate anything but CluClu. I'm not trying to provoke any hostility here, I just want to know why this is so.

Oh, I do like that ship, fanonwise.

[Sinn]

Originally Posted by equinox822

Let me throw this grapefruit in here. Why is everyone so against KallenxGino in the Kallen fandom? His character is quite similar to hers, a person loyal to his country, strong-willed and relaxed? Also, don't say that it's for the same reason why C.C. fans hate anything but CluClu. I'm not trying to provoke any hostility here, I just want to know why this is so.

I don't get it either. I ship them too.

[Verist]

Originally Posted by equinox822

Let me throw this grapefruit in here. Why is everyone so against KallenxGino in the Kallen fandom? His character is quite similar to hers, a person loyal to his country, strong-willed and relaxed? Also, don't say that it's for the same reason why C.C. fans hate anything but CluClu. I'm not trying to provoke any hostility here, I just want to know why this is so.

Because there was no development for them, its just to contrived. Why waste the whole season of Kallen And Lelouch development to have her end up with Gino a one dimensional character?

[Narona]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

he leaves avalon on the shinkiro
and since she gets there before he leaves somethings must keep her there (C.C)

On the Damocles?

I can see lelouch saying to her to wait for him (images from the preview) then C.C. could say her gum line because it's like a promise meaning "don't die, lelouch, you said you will make me smile, so you can't die now".

But I guess that C.C. will not wait for him and maybe save him from the Gurren.

[prototype_sky]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

my take on this
in the preview we see
a)kallen on the avalon ready to kill lulu
b)the lancelot in the sky shooting
c)lulu and C.C talking in the avalon's hanger
d)lelouch sitting on a chair while looking pissed off
e)a huge friya blast taking out many of lulu's units on rader

we also know that suzaku and kallen would fight this ep since the summeries say so
and we know that nina is working on a friya related thing
since she mentioned a limiter in ep 23 im guessing its a device meant to prevent friya bombs from reaching critical mass and exploding

here is my spec of things that happen

the device nina is building is meant to be instelled on the shinkiro to allow lulu to lead his troops against the democles while preventing them from getting nuked
he keeps using his troops to block friya's aimed at him while wating for nina to finish and have the device installed on the shinkiro (scene d and e)

after its installed he and C.C go to the hanger to get ready and leave to attack the democles
they meanwhile talk about things and this is where we see scene c

while lulu is getting ready to go kallen breaks in and we have scene a
she and lelouch talk for a little while when she has him at claw point (she cant bring herself to kill him,even if she didnt love him there is no way kallen kills an unarmed man with her knightmare in a manner that only fits people like luciano) and she asks what he is doing, he starts telling her some of the facts (maybe even telling her what she really means to him) and she may end up asking him why he didnt ask her to help him (if the plan really is to destroy shnizel and himself then he'll tell her that,possibly resulting in the gum line)
but here is the importent thing
the guren is standing right between lelouch and the shinkiro
and with the lancelot outside (no way would they have the final battle indoors when you have such a nice smoke filled sky scene b) C.C steps in and not so much saves him from kallen as gets kallen out of the way for him to get to the shinkiro
since there is no way in hell C.C can force kallen to move using KMF combat (the lancelot has no hope even if its was suzaku piloting it) and if they fight for any length of time lulu would not reach the shinkiro (he'll be in danger of being crashed)
im guessing C.C does the only thing she can do in order to keep kallen there and thats to use a mental attack (like the one she used on suzaku and anya)
she tells lulu to go possibly using her gum line and tells him that she'll keep kallen there (both to keep her from stopping his plan, and to keep her safe)
lulu goes and C.C stays with kallen and the two start talking in the world of C (or what ever you call her mind world) kallen questions what is going on and why C.C wont stop him
after a while she may convince C.C to help her stop him
C.C lets her go and they both set out to stop lulu
meanwhile suzaku and lelouch are on the way to the democles but since they found out the guren is back in teh battle field (and since its much faster then the shinkiro suzaku stays behind telling lulu to go and finish what they started while he keeps kallen from interfering with the plan
kallen stays to fight suzaku while C.C goes on to the democles

and then you have a strange situation where both suzaku AND kallen are on lulu's side but while suzaku is fighting to protect lulus plan kallen is fighting to defend lulu from it
lulu's sword and shield (no matter how you look at it,kallen is lulu's shield) fighting each other and both for lulu

in the fight between them there is one factor that we have all always assumed will grant suzaku the victory and that is the LIVE geass command
but while the LIVE command helps him win in battle
its not what its ment to do
its to make him live no matter what, and if this fight takes place after kallen learns the truth about the plan then i dont think she would be trying to kill him anymore
she would be trying to get him to pull his head out of his ass and help her save lulu's and his own lives
its possible that when the command triggers (which we know it will) then rather then making him kill kallen
it could end up making him give up the fight (drop his weapons,end the fight) since by letting the plan continue means death for both him and lelouch
its a long shot but the battle has to turn against shnizel at some point and they both have to be part of it

the reason i think this script is likely is that
a)they always try to fuck us with the preview
si having kallen threaten lulu in the same ep where we know she and suzaku are fighting one another is a good way to hide the fact that she is fighting him to defend lulu and not attack him
b)kallen is the only main character not yet in on the plan and there is no way in hell that she hears about shnizel's plan on the radio like a mook
c)we need a use for all the character development she had all season (the talks with nunnaly, the picture book)
d)kallen has to do something that makes her bond with lelouch as importent as its cracked up to be

Nice attempt at making a favorable outcome for Kallen

Has sunrise ever have pilots switch sides in the middle of the final battle

[Var]

Originally Posted by prototype_sky

Has sunrise ever have pilots switch sides in the middle of the final battle

Uh... quite often in fact, so yes.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Narona

On the Damocles?

I can see lelouch saying to her to wait for him (images from the preview) then C.C. could say her gum line because it's like a promise meaning "don't die, lelouch, you said you will make me smile, so you can't die now".

But I guess that C.C. will not wait for him and maybe save him from the Gurren.

on the avalon

[Ruvixur]

Originally Posted by prototype_sky

Nice attempt at making a favorable outcome for Kallen

Has sunrise ever have pilots switch sides in the middle of the final battle

In GS last one pilot from Gundam team, who didn't become Lacus's slave( but Gs...is just GS)

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by prototype_sky

Nice attempt at making a favorable outcome for Kallen

Has sunrise ever have pilots switch sides in the middle of the final battle

yes they did
half the zaft guys in the end of seed

and by the way
why would kallen stay the enemy if she learns the truth
she is the one character who was least likely to be lulu's enemy during the whole show

[Var]

Originally Posted by equinox822

Let me throw this grapefruit in here. Why is everyone so against KallenxGino in the Kallen fandom? His character is quite similar to hers, a person loyal to his country, strong-willed and relaxed? Also, don't say that it's for the same reason why C.C. fans hate anything but CluClu. I'm not trying to provoke any hostility here, I just want to know why this is so.

Why does the C.C. fandom dislike SuzakuxC.C. when they are basically the same? Their characters are quite similar. It is the same idea.

The reason it is not liked is because it has never been developed. It took Kallen an entire two season to realize she loved Lelouch, how does one overturn that in three episodes without looking like an idiot?

[equinox822]

Inside the Avalon, Lelouch is about to depart in Shinkirou, C.C. is seeing him off, Kallen crashes the party and attempts to kill Lelouch, C.C. intervenes in the pink Lancelot and Lelouch leaves Avalon in Shinkirou. Kallen was attacking the Avalon hangar bay in the scene. Lelouch later engages Gino inside Damocles. This should surmise the preview.

So yes, the killing scene happens inside the Avalon

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by equinox822

Inside the Avalon, Lelouch is about to depart in Shinkirou, C.C. is seeing him off, Kallen crashes the party and attempts to kill Lelouch, C.C. intervenes in the pink Lancelot and Lelouch leaves Avalon in Shinkirou. Kallen was attacking the Avalon hangar bay in the scene. Lelouch later engages Gino inside Damocles.

So yes, the killing scene happens inside the Avalon

how do we know that

[equinox822]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

how do we know that

From the interior. I can't imagine an indoor space in their immediate vicinity resembling anything like the one Lelouch and Gino are fighting in to be something other than Damocles.

(Worded this sort of trickily, basically the space Lelouch and Gino are fighting in during the preview can only be inside Damocles due to the interior)

[Ruvixur]

Originally Posted by Var

Why does the C.C. fandom dislike SuzakuxC.C. when they are basically the same? Their characters are quite similar. It is the same idea.

The reason it is not liked is because it has never been developed. It took Kallen an entire two season to realize she loved Lelouch, how does one overturn that in three episodes without looking like an idiot?

Ghmmm.. I don't mind it.
They indeed have some similarities, and one have to wonder, who is better for C.C..
And about Gino X Kallen ( and Suzaku X C.C.). They both might happen if lelouch will die. In continuity (epilogue). Just to mess with Kalulu and CluClu fanatics. Oh, and isn't that better if a character you like has a children ( unless it's from rape or something...). Would be stupid for Kallen to die virgin. Blah, she even kissed only once.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by Var

The reason it is not liked is because it has never been developed. It took Kallen an entire two season to realize she loved Lelouch, how does one overturn that in three episodes without looking like an idiot?

Yeah and it took 2 episodes for Kallen to go, "Must kill Lelouch."

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

Yeah and it took 2 episodes for Kallen to go, "If I stop Lelouch, then everything will be fine."

how is that not love
she takes it upon herself to put him down (nunnaly is doing the same thing)

[X_Danny_X]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

how is that not love
she takes it upon herself to put him down (nunnaly is doing the same thing)

and nunnally and Kallen gotta be stopped in order for Lelouch and Suzaku to win.

[pingva]

Originally Posted by X_Danny_X

and nunnally and Kallen gotta be stopped in order for Lelouch and Suzaku to win.

Good notice.

[youngde]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

Spoiler for for length:

my take on this
in the preview we see
a)kallen on the avalon ready to kill lulu
b)the lancelot in the sky shooting
c)lulu and C.C talking in the avalon's hanger
d)lelouch sitting on a chair while looking pissed off
e)a huge friya blast taking out many of lulu's units on rader

we also know that suzaku and kallen would fight this ep since the summeries say so
and we know that nina is working on a friya related thing
since she mentioned a limiter in ep 23 im guessing its a device meant to prevent friya bombs from reaching critical mass and exploding

here is my spec of things that happen

the device nina is building is meant to be instelled on the shinkiro to allow lulu to lead his troops against the democles while preventing them from getting nuked
he keeps using his troops to block friya's aimed at him while wating for nina to finish and have the device installed on the shinkiro (scene d and e)

after its installed he and C.C go to the hanger to get ready and leave to attack the democles
they meanwhile talk about things and this is where we see scene c

while lulu is getting ready to go kallen breaks in and we have scene a
she and lelouch talk for a little while when she has him at claw point (she cant bring herself to kill him,even if she didnt love him there is no way kallen kills an unarmed man with her knightmare in a manner that only fits people like luciano) and she asks what he is doing, he starts telling her some of the facts (maybe even telling her what she really means to him) and she may end up asking him why he didnt ask her to help him (if the plan really is to destroy shnizel and himself then he'll tell her that,possibly resulting in the gum line)
but here is the importent thing
the guren is standing right between lelouch and the shinkiro
and with the lancelot outside (no way would they have the final battle indoors when you have such a nice smoke filled sky scene b) C.C steps in and not so much saves him from kallen as gets kallen out of the way for him to get to the shinkiro
since there is no way in hell C.C can force kallen to move using KMF combat (the lancelot has no hope even if its was suzaku piloting it) and if they fight for any length of time lulu would not reach the shinkiro (he'll be in danger of being crashed)
im guessing C.C does the only thing she can do in order to keep kallen there and thats to use a mental attack (like the one she used on suzaku and anya)
she tells lulu to go possibly using her gum line and tells him that she'll keep kallen there (both to keep her from stopping his plan, and to keep her safe)
lulu goes and C.C stays with kallen and the two start talking in the world of C (or what ever you call her mind world) kallen questions what is going on and why C.C wont stop him
after a while she may convince C.C to help her stop him
C.C lets her go and they both set out to stop lulu
meanwhile suzaku and lelouch are on the way to the democles but since they found out the guren is back in teh battle field (and since its much faster then the shinkiro suzaku stays behind telling lulu to go and finish what they started while he keeps kallen from interfering with the plan
kallen stays to fight suzaku while C.C goes on to the democles

and then you have a strange situation where both suzaku AND kallen are on lulu's side but while suzaku is fighting to protect lulus plan kallen is fighting to defend lulu from it
lulu's sword and shield (no matter how you look at it,kallen is lulu's shield) fighting each other and both for lulu

in the fight between them there is one factor that we have all always assumed will grant suzaku the victory and that is the LIVE geass command
but while the LIVE command helps him win in battle
its not what its ment to do
its to make him live no matter what, and if this fight takes place after kallen learns the truth about the plan then i dont think she would be trying to kill him anymore
she would be trying to get him to pull his head out of his ass and help her save lulu's and his own lives
its possible that when the command triggers (which we know it will) then rather then making him kill kallen
it could end up making him give up the fight (drop his weapons,end the fight) since by letting the plan continue means death for both him and lelouch
its a long shot but the battle has to turn against shnizel at some point and they both have to be part of it

the reason i think this script is likely is that
a)they always try to fuck us with the preview
si having kallen threaten lulu in the same ep where we know she and suzaku are fighting one another is a good way to hide the fact that she is fighting him to defend lulu and not attack him
b)kallen is the only main character not yet in on the plan and there is no way in hell that she hears about shnizel's plan on the radio like a mook
c)we need a use for all the character development she had all season (the talks with nunnaly, the picture book)
d)kallen has to do something that makes her bond with lelouch as importent as its cracked up to be

Did you just copy and paste this from the Spoilers thread.

Good for you! It needed to be seen all all.