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Sazelyt · 2006-12-20, 13:09

Surprising early chapter.

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Summary: Kakashi asks Shikamaru to move to a different place with Hidan (the reason will become clear at the end). Kakuzu tells them that they are underestimating Hidan, and they are wasting a good nice future bounty regarding Shikamaru. Kakuzu also talks about his own strength, says they are right fighting against him as a group. Kakuzu continues to talk about his egoistic self, such as, his strength and experience is above theirs, etc.

After seeing the Konoha ninja, Kakuzu recalls a memory from his past, the first Konoha ninja he fought, Shodai Hokage (for Shodai to be his first Konoha opponent that is really interesting). Kakashi says that you are really immortal, and Kakuzu's response is really interesting: "No one is immortal". Hope that sheds some light on Hidan's status. Kakuzu then tells that before his opponent dies, he retrieves his heart and makes it his own. This way he can become stronger and alsohe can continue to live longer. And right now he wants to use Kakashi's heart to replace the lost one.

At the other location, Shika sets up a trap for Hidan using Kunais, ropes, and exploding papers. But, Hidan finds an opening and attacks Shikamaru. He somehow obtains the blood necessary to start his ritual.

Kakuzu uses two of his heart to create a joint fire-wind attack. Kakasih uses water based jutsu to create a wall, but considers that it won't be enough to stop it. And while about to escape the scene, Kakuzu catches him, with his extensions. Ino and Chouji are still in the same position as they are at the beginning of the chapter. Anyway, Kakashi was thrown to the ground by Kakuzu who was about to finish him, while Hidan starts his opponent killing attempt using the metal stick he has and penetrating it through his heart.

We see Shikamaru lying on the ground holding his chest while Hidan celebrating his success. Unfortunately, this award winning performance does not go waste, as Kakuzu is the one to be injured by Hidan's attack.

Kakashi then explains to Kakuzu what really happened. When he attacked Kakuzu with Raikiri he collected some of his blood and put it inside a tube. Then he gave this tube to Shikamaru. The chapter finishes with Kakashi telling Kakuzu that they are the ones who are underestimating Shikamaru, he will not let what Asuma learned with his death go to waste.

A good chapter, hopefully the next one will be better as it might be more about Shikamaru.

tatami · 2006-12-20, 13:17

nice chapter yet i wonder how will hidan react now...

Sabaku Kyu · 2006-12-20, 13:29

I like how Kakuzu refers to everyone in terms of bounties. It reminds me of One Piece where the stronger the character is, the higher bounty on their head. Oda should of tradmarked his rating system.

So now I'm wondering what exactly Asuma told to Shikamaru before he died. I thought he just told him who the "king piece" was but Kakashi told Kakuzu something like "Shikamaru couldn't let what Asuma told him go to waste." Does that mean he told Shikamaru something that would aid in defeating Hidan? Or does it mean Shikamaru wouldn't allow himself to be killed after Asuma trusted him with the information?

tatami · 2006-12-20, 13:37

i think he told the blood link thing

Sabaku Kyu · 2006-12-20, 13:44

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Originally Posted by tatami

i think he told the blood link thing

You're probably right. But didn't Shika know that already?

Sazelyt · 2006-12-20, 13:45

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Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

...Kakashi told Kakuzu something like "Shikamaru couldn't let what Asuma told him go to waste." ...

I am not sure about the exact translation, but to me it seems more like the information they obtained through Asuma's suffering and at the end his death, rather than Asuma giving him another piece of information. During that fight, it was Shikamaru who made that blood related connection before Asuma told him anything regarding that.

tatami · 2006-12-20, 13:46

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Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

You're probably right. But didn't Shika know that already?

well i hope not..cuz its not a really big secret at all...

Razz · 2006-12-20, 13:59

I'm just grateful Deidara wasn't killed off along with Sasori because this time it seems this pair's days are over. I don't see either of them escaping, and Akatsuki teams never have backup help. Seems like the trend is to die after capturing a Bijuu :/

kikko_s · 2006-12-20, 15:23

Ah seems like an interesting chapter, but will this fight go on? That's only two of his "hearts" or "masks" or whatever you want to call them...unless Kakashi's blood sample got bits from every heart. If not, there's three more that need to be killed. Hidan's greatly weakened now because of what he did to himself but he's not completely a non-factor yet.

If you look at chapter 335, there's one frame where Kakuzu looks concerned at what Kakashi gave Shikamaru. He might've predicted this or maybe found a way out?

juggen · 2006-12-20, 15:31

I liked this chapter very much, really like shika's expression in the end of the chapter.
And maybe if kakashi got a sample of kakuzu's blood and not a sample from one of the mask's, then maybe the masks will die, since he got the main one or something, like the masks won't work without the real deal!

shaselai · 2006-12-20, 16:11

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Originally Posted by kikko_s

Ah seems like an interesting chapter, but will this fight go on? That's only two of his "hearts" or "masks" or whatever you want to call them...unless Kakashi's blood sample got bits from every heart. If not, there's three more that need to be killed. Hidan's greatly weakened now because of what he did to himself but he's not completely a non-factor yet.

If you look at chapter 335, there's one frame where Kakuzu looks concerned at what Kakashi gave Shikamaru. He might've predicted this or maybe found a way out?

I am hoping that Kakuzu doesnt die like that.... but doesnt his blood flow through all the hearts though?

lainex9 · 2006-12-20, 16:34

i wonder if Kakuzu can repair the heart in his chest. if not he could probably take one of the hearts from his ghost buddys and put it into his body. i doubt it means death, but it does sound like one less heart for Kakashi to worry about.

juggen · 2006-12-20, 17:10

Yeah it actually would be more fun to see the fight continue, and see how they slowly get closer to killing the last heart.
And It SHOULD get easier, since he can't use all of the different element jutsus anymore.

Suna no tate · 2006-12-20, 17:22

If he could repair the hearts, he wouldn't need to replace them would he?

gekko · 2006-12-20, 17:26

didnt anyone found this funny:

Quote:

Kakuzu
H-how...
when did you get...an opening? (for taking his blood)

Kakashi: When I punched that hole in your chest with Raikiri

like DUUUH, is Kakuzu stupid or what? When else?

juggen · 2006-12-20, 17:47

I wonder how it would have ended if kakashi didn't join team shika

they would probably be quite dead atm :P

Sasuke_Akatsuki · 2006-12-20, 17:48

The more Akatsuki memebers they kill the better it is for Sasuke and Oro

Thanks Kakashi

Nanatsu · 2006-12-20, 18:12

Seems like I was right about Kakashi collecting the blood with Raikiri and using it against Kazuku

Hate to say it but I'm pleased that I thought of that. While I was reading that, for a moment I thought they were going to say that Kakuzu had the first's heart in there somewhere. It was a better chapter than I thought it'd be so I'm happy about it. Shika proves once again that his brains > brawn.

^Shikamaru^ · 2006-12-20, 18:30

Great chapter, can't wait to read the next.
I wonder how he did it, it looked like Shikamaru cut himself and flung out Kakuzu blood for Hidan to use... it was so quick.

Slayerx · 2006-12-20, 18:54

Y'know one thing i was wondering last chapter was why doesn't kakuzu mix elements like wind and fire to create an inferno... and well, looks like he's finally doing just that... and so far it seems kakuzu lost water and earth elements, not to big of a lost though, his earth attacks wouldn't do much good against kakashi's lighting, and with no fire users, the water doesn't give him an advantage... and though earth would have done well to counter water by kakashi, kakuzu can use fire and wind mix to create fire strong enough to counter....

I'm really not sure about either the fate of hiden of kakuzu...

Kakuzu seems more like the one closest to death... though we don't know the exact nature of his abilities, we know his abilities and they know how to kill him... i mean if this battle continues on with them killing each of Kakuzu's hearts, it would kinda ridiculous for him to escape, cause then he would just gather more hearts and then our heros will ONCE AGAIN, need to kill him 5 times... so unless kakuzu bails out soon, he could be meeting his death in the next few chapters... Though kakuzu, could bail out with only one heart and still have something better for the next fight; like coming back with even more than 5 hearts... it will be a shame to see kakuzu die, he seems like one of the more interesting members... hmm on second thought though, one thing we haven't see out of Kakuzu is when he gets so serious in a fight that he goes sort of berserk to the point where he may accidently kill his partner...

Hiden on the other hand, doesn't seem like he has much more to offer either... it doesn't seem like he has much left to show us in terms of abilities... however, we do still need to learn more about the exact nature of his abilities, his god and such... and hiden also has the similar aura of charisma around him much like deidara (also of whome didn't seem like he had much left to show us)... not to mention he's one of the newest members to akatsuki... and there's always the possibility that his god has granted him so other abilities... so ya, right now, i kinda feel like hiden has a higher chance os survival...

2006-12-20, 13:09	Link #1
Sazelyt Μ ε r c ü r υ Join Date: Jun 2004	[Manga] Chapter 336 Discussion Surprising early chapter. Welcome to the weekly manga chapter discussion thread . As per the forums rules, please don't ask or mention where to download the (licensed) manga. Also remember not to post or link to any translations of the manga, since this is illegal as well. Posting a synopses or summary is fine (and welcome) but please do not discuss scans, raws, translation groups, etc. Also note that only moderators or designated members will be able to create this thread. Summary: Kakashi asks Shikamaru to move to a different place with Hidan (the reason will become clear at the end). Kakuzu tells them that they are underestimating Hidan, and they are wasting a good nice future bounty regarding Shikamaru. Kakuzu also talks about his own strength, says they are right fighting against him as a group. Kakuzu continues to talk about his egoistic self, such as, his strength and experience is above theirs, etc. After seeing the Konoha ninja, Kakuzu recalls a memory from his past, the first Konoha ninja he fought, Shodai Hokage (for Shodai to be his first Konoha opponent that is really interesting). Kakashi says that you are really immortal, and Kakuzu's response is really interesting: "No one is immortal". Hope that sheds some light on Hidan's status. Kakuzu then tells that before his opponent dies, he retrieves his heart and makes it his own. This way he can become stronger and alsohe can continue to live longer. And right now he wants to use Kakashi's heart to replace the lost one. At the other location, Shika sets up a trap for Hidan using Kunais, ropes, and exploding papers. But, Hidan finds an opening and attacks Shikamaru. He somehow obtains the blood necessary to start his ritual. Kakuzu uses two of his heart to create a joint fire-wind attack. Kakasih uses water based jutsu to create a wall, but considers that it won't be enough to stop it. And while about to escape the scene, Kakuzu catches him, with his extensions. Ino and Chouji are still in the same position as they are at the beginning of the chapter. Anyway, Kakashi was thrown to the ground by Kakuzu who was about to finish him, while Hidan starts his opponent killing attempt using the metal stick he has and penetrating it through his heart. We see Shikamaru lying on the ground holding his chest while Hidan celebrating his success. Unfortunately, this award winning performance does not go waste, as Kakuzu is the one to be injured by Hidan's attack. Kakashi then explains to Kakuzu what really happened. When he attacked Kakuzu with Raikiri he collected some of his blood and put it inside a tube. Then he gave this tube to Shikamaru. The chapter finishes with Kakashi telling Kakuzu that they are the ones who are underestimating Shikamaru, he will not let what Asuma learned with his death go to waste. A good chapter, hopefully the next one will be better as it might be more about Shikamaru.

2006-12-20, 15:31	Link #10
juggen Saizen Supreme Fansubber Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Age: 38	I liked this chapter very much, really like shika's expression in the end of the chapter. And maybe if kakashi got a sample of kakuzu's blood and not a sample from one of the mask's, then maybe the masks will die, since he got the main one or something, like the masks won't work without the real deal! __________________ Saizen Fansubs My AnimeDB List

2006-12-20, 17:10	Link #13
juggen Saizen Supreme Fansubber Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Age: 38	Yeah it actually would be more fun to see the fight continue, and see how they slowly get closer to killing the last heart. And It SHOULD get easier, since he can't use all of the different element jutsus anymore. __________________ Saizen Fansubs My AnimeDB List

2006-12-20, 17:47	Link #16
juggen Saizen Supreme Fansubber Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Age: 38	I wonder how it would have ended if kakashi didn't join team shika they would probably be quite dead atm :P __________________ Saizen Fansubs My AnimeDB List

2006-12-20, 13:17	Link #2
tatami back in black Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Turkey Age: 41	nice chapter yet i wonder how will hidan react now...

2006-12-20, 13:29	Link #3
Sabaku Kyu The Ironman Join Date: Sep 2006	I like how Kakuzu refers to everyone in terms of bounties. It reminds me of One Piece where the stronger the character is, the higher bounty on their head. Oda should of tradmarked his rating system. So now I'm wondering what exactly Asuma told to Shikamaru before he died. I thought he just told him who the "king piece" was but Kakashi told Kakuzu something like "Shikamaru couldn't let what Asuma told him go to waste." Does that mean he told Shikamaru something that would aid in defeating Hidan? Or does it mean Shikamaru wouldn't allow himself to be killed after Asuma trusted him with the information?

2006-12-20, 13:37	Link #4
tatami back in black Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Turkey Age: 41	i think he told the blood link thing

2006-12-20, 13:59	Link #8
Razz Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004	I'm just grateful Deidara wasn't killed off along with Sasori because this time it seems this pair's days are over. I don't see either of them escaping, and Akatsuki teams never have backup help. Seems like the trend is to die after capturing a Bijuu :/

2006-12-20, 15:23	Link #9
kikko_s What's in a name....? Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: wherever i am	Ah seems like an interesting chapter, but will this fight go on? That's only two of his "hearts" or "masks" or whatever you want to call them...unless Kakashi's blood sample got bits from every heart. If not, there's three more that need to be killed. Hidan's greatly weakened now because of what he did to himself but he's not completely a non-factor yet. If you look at chapter 335, there's one frame where Kakuzu looks concerned at what Kakashi gave Shikamaru. He might've predicted this or maybe found a way out?

2006-12-20, 16:34	Link #12
lainex9 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006	i wonder if Kakuzu can repair the heart in his chest. if not he could probably take one of the hearts from his ghost buddys and put it into his body. i doubt it means death, but it does sound like one less heart for Kakashi to worry about.

2006-12-20, 17:22	Link #14
Suna no tate Akatsuki Bart is Tobi Join Date: Oct 2006	If he could repair the hearts, he wouldn't need to replace them would he?

2006-12-20, 17:48	Link #17
Sasuke_Akatsuki Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: England> Brighton w00t Age: 36	The more Akatsuki memebers they kill the better it is for Sasuke and Oro Thanks Kakashi

2006-12-20, 18:12	Link #18
Nanatsu Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004	Seems like I was right about Kakashi collecting the blood with Raikiri and using it against Kazuku Hate to say it but I'm pleased that I thought of that. While I was reading that, for a moment I thought they were going to say that Kakuzu had the first's heart in there somewhere. It was a better chapter than I thought it'd be so I'm happy about it. Shika proves once again that his brains > brawn.

2006-12-20, 18:30	Link #19
^Shikamaru^ Junior Member Join Date: May 2004	Great chapter, can't wait to read the next. I wonder how he did it, it looked like Shikamaru cut himself and flung out Kakuzu blood for Hidan to use... it was so quick.

2006-12-20, 18:54	Link #20
Slayerx Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Y'know one thing i was wondering last chapter was why doesn't kakuzu mix elements like wind and fire to create an inferno... and well, looks like he's finally doing just that... and so far it seems kakuzu lost water and earth elements, not to big of a lost though, his earth attacks wouldn't do much good against kakashi's lighting, and with no fire users, the water doesn't give him an advantage... and though earth would have done well to counter water by kakashi, kakuzu can use fire and wind mix to create fire strong enough to counter.... I'm really not sure about either the fate of hiden of kakuzu... Kakuzu seems more like the one closest to death... though we don't know the exact nature of his abilities, we know his abilities and they know how to kill him... i mean if this battle continues on with them killing each of Kakuzu's hearts, it would kinda ridiculous for him to escape, cause then he would just gather more hearts and then our heros will ONCE AGAIN, need to kill him 5 times... so unless kakuzu bails out soon, he could be meeting his death in the next few chapters... Though kakuzu, could bail out with only one heart and still have something better for the next fight; like coming back with even more than 5 hearts... it will be a shame to see kakuzu die, he seems like one of the more interesting members... hmm on second thought though, one thing we haven't see out of Kakuzu is when he gets so serious in a fight that he goes sort of berserk to the point where he may accidently kill his partner... Hiden on the other hand, doesn't seem like he has much more to offer either... it doesn't seem like he has much left to show us in terms of abilities... however, we do still need to learn more about the exact nature of his abilities, his god and such... and hiden also has the similar aura of charisma around him much like deidara (also of whome didn't seem like he had much left to show us)... not to mention he's one of the newest members to akatsuki... and there's always the possibility that his god has granted him so other abilities... so ya, right now, i kinda feel like hiden has a higher chance os survival...