Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Character Creation and Discussion (second reincarnation)

[Keroko]

I wonder if the same were to be said if we say that 'all guns' are the same?

Seriously, saying that they are 'just variants' of other melee weapons is saying that gun B is just a 'variant' of gun A, despite obvious differences between them. The difference between wielding a halbert and a battleaxe is quite large. Yes, you can say that general weapon types have already been used, but why look at it that black and white? The series sure doesn't look at it like that, with its numerously varying weapon forms (for example, we have seen various types of pole weapons, such as Bardiche and Zest's Glaive, and yet both of them were not the same weapon types).

As for spears, I can't believe you forgot Erio so soon. I mean, granted he was not that major a character, but he had a canon spear-type Device. I believe I've been saying spears are some of the best melee weapons I've ever wielded quite a while ago. Stabs and thrusts are so much harder to block then swings.

Thanks for giving me a new series to watch, by the way. :3

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

Morningstars are the only real unused there...

As for Poleaxe and the variants... it's a derrivative/specialization of the axe. Bardiche is actually a type of axe in it's conventional form. (Bardiche is litterally, a Bardiche.)

Now, it would do for me to say I'm not counting individual variants of weapons, I'm counting general types of weapons.

All in all, most of what you posted are either swords, axes, or clubs. You can change the individual design styles, give them fancy names, and all that, but they're still just swords, axes, and clubs.

Yeah, everyone knows that a zweihander can be used the same way as a viking longsword, arabian scimitar, roman gladius and italian rapier.

But fine! I'll just say that the PSG-1, AK-47, Franchi SPAS-12 are still just rifles!

Christ...

[Kyral]

Originally Posted by Sheba

The weapon of choice of my Big Stupid Fighter in Legend of the Five Rings

A crab hida bushi? xD

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Kyral

A crab hida bushi? xD

Hell, yes.

My gamemaster has gone in despair when his four onis went down because I one-shot them all. (I rolled lots of 10s that night, it was the old L5R system, not D20)

And I gained honor points because my friends all ran away, leaving me, the tank, to deal with the onis.

Now he thinks twice before throwing monsters at me lightly.

[Liingo]

Originally Posted by dkellis

Iiiinteresting.

Should I ask for a quick informal role-call of active OCs and their weapons (or Devices)?

Adding to things:

1) Slew of characters with standard devices
2) Isamu: Daedra: Twin Bladed Battle Axe, Armed Device
Valivis: Stormreaver: Claw Device, One on each hand. Technically a storage device, but is closer to an Armed device.
Tuala: Ulthamar: Armed Device, Quarterstaff. Possible Spear Form in the works as well

Originally Posted by Comartemis

...

<.<

>.>

*Drops package and runs*

Spoiler for HQ Attack Details:

• Forwards, Rein, and Vita are on standby with main defense forces
• Ginga is en route through the sewer system
• Signum + Aces begin trapped in the central tower without their devices. Tower is under heavy AMF and all transmissions are being blocked
• Recovery of Vivio is TOP PRIORITY
• Recovery of Type-Zero Combat Cyborgs is a secondary concern

• All attacks begin within a few minutes of each other, possibly within seconds of each other for the first few incidents
• Uno disables primary communication systems
• Sein disables backup comms by knocking out central control
• Cinque demolishes power to defensive shielding
• Lutecia summons hoards of Gadgets to the area immediately surrounding HQ
• Deici attacks HQ directly with Aerosol Shell, knocking out many within the building
• Sette and Tre engage air forces outside the tower
• Zest and Agito engage Vita and Rein outside HQ
• Nove, Wendi intercept Forwards on their way to meet up with the Aces
• Deed and Otto commence attack on RF6 Headquarters. Lutecia (and Garyuu) provides backup
• Cinque intercepts Ginga, calls for backup from Nove/Wendi

Question: HOW DO WE TURN THIS SITUATION AROUND?

Comacanon changes to HQ Attack situation:

• Zead prepares for worst case scenario and calls in a few favors. Church Knights under Iris's command and/or Durandal are on standby at the opening of the attack.
• Alex is cooling his heels at RF6 headquarters.
• Zafira, as Hayate's immediate subordinate, is at the press conference
• Hayate is free to leave the conference with Fate and Nanoha, since Zead is the one trapped in the meeting room.

Possible course of events:

• Iris and the Church Knights delay the initial charge of the Gadgets, preventing them from blocking off HQ with an AMF field for a few minutes. The Aces go mobile during this time, rendezvous with the Forwards, and engage the Cyborgs in an epic melee outside HQ.
• Zead convinces Regius to evacuate the tower ASAP
• Rein and Hayate go Unison and intercept Zest and Agito, showing off Schwertkreuz's shiny new halberd form, and proceed to lay the smack down on Z&A at all ranges. She's called a Mage-Knight for a reason, fellas.
• Vita and Signum engage Sette and Tre, while Lutecia summons multiple waves of Gadgets--including Type-IVs and several of Jail's prototype designs--and her insects to keep Nanoha, Fate, and all unengaged forces occupied. Garyuu and Hokutenou also make appearances.
• The Forwards engage Nove and Wendi
• Lutecia is unable to reinforce Otto and Deed for the RF6 HQ attack; her position is taken by Cein and Quattro.
• Jail's objective for the GFHQ attack switches to a desperate holding action, trying to buy time for the other Numbers to pull off the RF6 HQ attack and make off with Vivio and her Relic. With Lutecia providing endless waves of reinforcements, this looks as if it will be successful...
• Cinque is knocked out and captured by Ginga due to lack of support from Nove and Wendi.
• Otto, Deed, Quattro, Cein, and their Gadget backup successfully smash up RF6 HQ despite a valiant defense by Alex and Shamal. The timely arrival of Durandal coincides with a Limiter Override code from Hermes, and the tide shifts in an instant.
• Cein attempts to pull Vivio and her relic out of the interior of RF6 but is badly wounded by Vice and Storm Raider. She escapes with the relic, but no Vivio.
• Quattro pulls back and leaves her "sisters" to the tender mercies of Latona and Alex after claiming Vivio's relic from Sein.
• The battle continues to turn further and further against Jail, who psychotically refuses to believe he's been beaten until the last cyborg has fallen and his plans are completely in shambles.
  
• OPTIONAL: In his psychosis, Jail tries for one last hurrah by triggering a self-destruct mechanism in the cyborgs, trying to take as many enemies out as he possibly can. Uno, Due, Tre, and Quattro fail to detonate because Jail never installed the self-destruct mechanism in them (he just "remembers" that he did, which the Original wants him to think). A faulty transmitter in Cinque's body, damaged by her fight with Ginga (she got clipped by a Vibration Shatter), renders her the only survivor of the second generation cyborgs. She'll go on to swear vengeance against her creator for slaughtering her sisters and reluctantly join up with Durandal.
• Tre and Quattro show off bits of equipment they shouldn't have as they engage in a cross-dimension jump, heading back to the original Jail with bad news. Due assassinates the high council and jumps out. Uno offs the clone after his stunt with the detonator and ports out after hitting the lab's self-destruct button and carting off all the relics and all the research data the clone collected.

Most of that looks good to go. I'm not too sure myself about having Hayate posess epic Melee skills on par with the other Predominantly Melee focused Knights, however. Having Hayate be as good as them sought of screws over the system.. I'd be much happier with Hayate smashing the crap out of Zest from Long-Middle range, with Melee combat a low / null focus here.

The suicide bombing of the cyborgs is ok... although it'd be good if you can find another way of culling the cast.

Liingo

[stormturmoil]

@ Comartemis:

One problem with the cyborg-bombing plan is that it cuts into Jail's (either of them's) safety net, viz. the plan involving all the numbers being up the duff with further memory-uploaded clones of Jail.

if you're removing that (or making it so that it's original Jail's and Clone jail doesn't know of it) then it doesn't obviously matter.

But if it's staying, you then need to justify why Jail would risk decimating his ace-in-the-hole (Hah!) backup plan for so little tangible gain.

[Comartemis]

*Coma smacks storm upside the head with the pun-bat*

That was horrible, storm. But good point nonetheless.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

I'm actually doubtful the Church Knights would be deployed, given the fact that their loyalty is to the Saint Church, rather than the TSAB proper. Also, as I recall, the reinforcements that Tre and Sette slaughtered were Ground Forces Air Division - basically if Air Force are fighters, GF Air Division are attack choppers. Or were those the fliers who were attacking the Cradle? Garh. Need to rewatch.

Ah, one of the details I haven't mentioned; Iris is a Knight of the Saint Church, representing the interests of Carim and company. She has a fairly high level in the command structure, to the point where she reports directly to Carim every so often. Usually she's involved in the recovery of Lost Logia that are of interest to the Church, such as holy relics and demonic artifacts (what exactly demons are in Comacanon still needs to be resolved) in need of disposal or sealing. For this series, she's involved in the Relic case at Carim's request under Hayate's command, so between her and Carim, it's not all that unlikely that a cadre of Church Knights will get involved in the HQ attack.

As for the fliers, considering that the battle was fairly high-altitude most of the way through, I'd say that that's the domain of the Air Forces, not the ground forces.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Pretty much. That is what special forces do, afterall: killing people, and being very good at it.

Hell, in TF6, we're going to have sniper on sniper action: Ivanovich vs Dieci. Let's just say that it's an easy shot for Ivanovich and leave it at that.

And don't forget that the best person to kill cyborgs... is a demon...

You wouldn't mind if I borrow the OFM then, would you Goose? I'd need your help writing Ivanovich and the rest unless they only make a token background appearance, since I'm pretty sure I couldn't do Johnson's badassness the proper justice it deserves.

[Liingo]

Originally Posted by Comartemis

Ah, one of the details I haven't mentioned; Iris is a Knight of the Saint Church, representing the interests of Carim and company. She has a fairly high level in the command structure, to the point where she reports directly to Carim every so often. Usually she's involved in the recovery of Lost Logia that are of interest to the Church, such as holy relics and demonic artifacts (what exactly demons are in Comacanon still needs to be resolved) in need of disposal or sealing. For this series, she's involved in the Relic case at Carim's request under Hayate's command, so between her and Carim, it's not all that unlikely that a cadre of Church Knights will get involved in the HQ attack.

Well, theres an even easier explanation. Carim's inside the HQ as well.. There's your reason. Even if there's no order for them to go, you'd think that they be a tad worried that their leader (Head of state?) is in a building that's under seige. Well at least I'd hope that they're worried

As for the fliers, considering that the battle was fairly high-altitude most of the way through, I'd say that that's the domain of the Air Forces, not the ground forces.

I'm fairly certain that it's always Ground Force fliers in both sequences, HQ and Cradle. ep 21 would back this as well ~5:50. Assuming of course that the subs are trustworthy 'Mid Army Aerial Forces'

No comments about what I said up above Cort?

[krisslanza]

Originally Posted by Evangelion Xgouki

And all the other yakyuken crack you've probably got floating around in that head of yours

Is that a bad thing...?

Originally Posted by LimitedEternal

The crack of the Dark Goddess flows strongly...*covers nose and mouth*

Why are you covering your nose and mouth...? And since when did I become a "Dark" Goddess anyway!?

Its so nice having a backlog that only takes one copy/paste to do.

[PhoenixG]

Since I called you DG of yakyuken? :P

[Comartemis]

No comments about what I said up above Cort?

No, the post was just a little rushed and you got left out.

Most of that looks good to go. I'm not too sure myself about having Hayate posess epic Melee skills on par with the other Predominantly Melee focused Knights, however. Having Hayate be as good as them sought of screws over the system.. I'd be much happier with Hayate smashing the crap out of Zest from Long-Middle range, with Melee combat a low / null focus here.

How does having Hayate have good melee skills "screw over the system"? Her title of Mage-Knight indicates a mastery of both Mid and Belka systems, so why the heck wouldn't she be able to hold her own in melee?

Recall that one of the big points of Comcanon is to de-shaft Hayate and rid her of the glass cannon image, and there's no better way to do that than to show that she can tangle with the best of the best in melee and at range.

[Liingo]

Originally Posted by Comartemis

How does having Hayate have good melee skills "screw over the system"? Her title of Mage-Knight indicates a mastery of both Mid and Belka systems, so why the heck wouldn't she be able to hold her own in melee?

Recall that one of the big points of Comcanon is to de-shaft Hayate and rid her of the glass cannon image, and there's no better way to do that than to show that she can tangle with the best of the best in melee and at range.

I don't have anything againt the de-shaft Hayate campaign, but I don't see why she needs melee skills on par with the Melee-only characters, when she already has the ability to lay down the pain from a few k's away.

Survive in Melee? Sure, I'm fine with that.
Be able to Beat Signum/Zest/ Any other 'pure' melee character (of similar rank) in Melee? That's my problem with this.

Anything is an improvement from what it currently is (Caro being able to beat Hayate in melee if we believe the manga) but you're taking things a little too far there. She has no weakness as you're planning to make her, none. I don't see her needing the ability to take people down in a full fledged Melee. She's got enough firepower as it is.

Pretty much by the time threats get into melee range they should already be so stuffed from trying to avoid everything that shes dished out in their direction that they can be taken down in melee without anything fancy.

[krisslanza]

Originally Posted by PhoenixG

Since I called you DG of yakyuken? :P

Oh. Right.
Why DID you call me that anyway?

[kazenoyuuchi]

There sure are a lot of characters already created!
Makes me want to create an OC...

But first...
Something I believe is called...
BACKLOG BREAKER!!!!!(who coined up that term anyway???)

Originally Posted by Keroko

Welcome, Kaze, enjoy your stay in Cadia. Go ahead and post a character, or write a few stories.

Will do

Originally Posted by Kha

And yes do feel welcome. I saw you lurking around before, wondering when were you going to make the move.

If you need any help, just ask, we'd be happy to provide assistance.

Heh... Guess I was seen

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

*Tri-Ace welcome!* =3

Tri-Ace??? Whats that???

Originally Posted by Keroko

Likewise I encourage people to create romance pairings for Vivio, even with my OC Syn being one herself. The more Vivio, the better.

*Newtype flash* I may be getting a brainwave here!

Originally Posted by tshouryuu

This is a crackish idea I have thought up. It is not particularly well written but Aaron008R persuaded me that you guys should have a look.

Spoiler for Prologue or Madness:

Prologue or Madness

It was a cold, snowy day in the hills above Uminari city, but for the newly christened Reinforce, the sensation of such cold temperatures felt wonderful to her. Experiencing the world only when all the pages of the Book of Darkness was filled and then forced to destroy till her master got fully consumed by her, she was extremely grateful to her mistress and her friends to allow her to see a world unmarred by destruction.

As much as she would like to continue to live in this world, she knew in her heart that such peace was not for her and beyond the shadow of a doubt, the corrupted defense program will be reconstructed soon within her. Coming to a decision, she asked the young heroines to help uninstall her and to keep it a secret from her beloved mistress.

While they are reluctant to do it, they finally agreed to help after she informed them of the danger she represented. As for not telling Hayate, she admitted that she cannot bear to see her mistress in tears again and that its better for her to go away quietly.

Still, plans did not go as smoothly as she hoped as Hayate managed to find out and tried to stop her. It was hard for her to disobey a direct command from Hayate but her duty was clear. It is her job to protect and eliminate dangers to her mistress even from herself. It took alot of will power to keep her face impassive and not cry when her mistress did in order to spare Hayate further heartache.

Before she departs, she asked a boon from Hayate. "Mistress Hayate" she began, "I have one request. When I vanish, I will leave behind a small powerless fragment of my current self. If its all right with you, do not give my name to that small fragment but to the new container that will hold your magic in the future."

"Reinforce..." Hayate cried as tears slowly flow from her blue eyes.

Saying her last goodbyes to everyone, Reinforce completes the last portion of the ritual that will finally ensure that she will no longer endanger her mistress. As she prepares to leave the small fragment of herself to Hayate, she encountered a force that was gathering all her scattered fragments.

Powerless to stop it, she tried to send her consciousness back to the small fragment that was falling down back towards earth. But it was too late, it was too far and the force grabbing her was just too strong. As she fades, her last thought was of her beloved mistress Hayate.

~~~

"Did you managed to capture all the fragments?" demanded a voice, full of anticipation.

"All except one, do you want to go after it?" a second voice inquired.

"No. Its too dangerous. the longer we stay here, the more likely the TSAB is going to detect us." replied the first. "Lady Winter's spell program will cloak us but its not going to last much longer. Take us out of the atmosphere and get ready to warp out once we get to the exit point."

"Noted. Are you going to need help securing the fragments?" asked the second voice again.

"Not particularly." Pausing in thought for a second, the first continued. "Keep an eye on the sensors, if that warship detects us, we need to run for it."

"I don't need you to teach me how to do my job. You go do yours and I'll do mine. I'll inform you when we warp out" the second snap in irritation.

It was a tense couple of minutes as they hope against hope that they will escape with their precious cargo. Fortunately for them, either the gods are smiling upon them or that the Lady Winter's spell program was better than they thought and they warped away from Earth to a destination known only to them, without the Asura even knowing it was there.

~~~

"Report."

"My Lord, as instructed, we have traveled to the 97th Non Administrated world to the city of Uminari. However we were unable to capture the Book of Darkness as commanded. As there were too many hostiles in the area as well as a TSAB warship in the area to even attempt capture, we have aborted the mission and reverted to standing orders 23-A."

As they reported that fact, their lord's expression did not change, causing the pair to fear for their lives. Much to their relief, the Lord simply nodded at them for following standard procedure which was to abort and exit the scene without alerting anyone else to their presence.

"Good. At least you two are intelligent enough to know when to abort when the situation calls for it. I will want an in depth report later but for now, you are dismissed."

As the Lord dismissed them, the first speaker spoke up. "My Lord, we have another issue to report."

"Oh?" Raising an eyebrow at the pair, he queried them further. "Explain."

"My Lord," continued the second, " When we were about to leave the planet, we detected a powerful magical ritual taking place and that our target was involved. We delayed our departure and observed the proceedings. We cannot tell what they were doing but a short while later, one of the figures, the Unison device, disappeared into multiple particles."

"WHAT?! They destroyed it?!"

"We're very sorry my lord. We did however, managed to capture all of the fragments except for one as it was being destroyed. After securing the fragments, we returned to base." replied the first speaker, nervously.

Silently, the Lady Winter, a woman with light lavender colored hair, stepped forward from beside the Lord to examine the cases containing the fragments. After examining them for a few moments, she nodded slightly at the Lord. Breaking out in laughter, he smiled at the pair. "You two, have no idea what you have done have you? Never mind, suffice to know, you have done very well indeed. Bring the fragments to the laboratories and report to your commander."

"Yes, my Lord." Bowing, they retrieved the cases and left the room, leaving their Lord alone with the two silent women at his side.

Once the pair are gone, the chestnut colored hair woman in the room spoke up. "Does that mean....?"

"Yes" confirmed the Lord. "Those two have managed to complete their mission. Winter, how long will it take you and your team to reconstruct the Unison device and the assorted programs?"

Mentally calculating, Winter replied, "I will require 92968128 seconds to complete the task."

Rolling his eyes at her ever precise answer, he asked, "About 3 years?"

"Yes."

"Very well. And as for you," pointing to Chestnut again, "you know what to do."

"I do" and with this, both women left to their respective duties.

~~~

'...Mistress Hayate.' Blinking her eyes, she just stared ahead as she tries to remember what has happened. Reviewing her memories, she was startled to find herself still alive and as she tried to move, she also discovered that she was under heavy restrains on a star shaped table, being drain of almost all her mana as well as having multiple Anti Magi-link Fields centered upon her. Hearing foot steps, she tried to turn her head but found that even that simple movement was denied her.

"You are active," stated the lavender hair woman as she step into view.

"Why am I here? Did you reconstruct me? Do not know the danger I represent? You have to destroy me before the darkness within me fully regenerates." cried out Reinforce frantically.

Ignoring her, Winter spoke. "Begin scanning. Monitor the regeneration of corrupt defense program. Proceed with extraction once the scans are completed."

She could do nothing but scream as the extraction process began. Pleading for them to destroy her did nothing at all as she was summary ignored. After the extraction, she was left alone to her thoughts. While others eventually came to study her, Reinforce did not see the lavender hair woman again and then it happened. She felt the corrupted defense program starting to regenerate within her again. Warning the people that they have to destroy her, she then caught sight of the lavender hair woman again. Knowing that she was the one in charge, again Reinforce pleaded for her destruction but the next few words shattered her hope.

"Begin scanning. Monitor the regeneration of corrupt defense program. Proceed with extraction once the scans are completed."

This became a common occurrence for the next few years. The corrupt defense program regenerates, they extract it, other people come to study her afterwards until the corrupt defense program regenerates again, repeating the cycle. After the first year, she no longer pleads for destruction, knowing that it was useless. She just retreats into herself, not even screaming during the extraction process anymore.

Around six years after her reactivation, her routine was changed when she heard Lady Winter, which was what the rest refer to her, gave a different order then usual. "Begin scanning. Monitor the regeneration of corrupt defense program. Proceed with total extraction once the scans are completed. Erase all protocols and hidden programs within the Unison device. Start Level 7 deep scan and place this device in storage with current safety measures in place once confirmation of total eradication of the corrupt defense program."

At this pronouncement, along with the bits and pieces of conversations she overheard before, Reinforce could only stare. 'Does this mean they have completed it? No I must do something.'

"You are all making a terrible mistake. Please, for the sake of all, destroy this weapon you have created."

But as usual, she was ignored by all. As if to mock her further, the last bit she heard as she was being moved to storage filled her with despair. "All personal are report to factory 5. Mass production of Project Vi......"

'Mass production?' It was worse then she thought. She struggled futility against her restrains but they were just too secure to even allow her to move an inch. And when sound of the doors closing fade away, so do all her hopes.

She tried constantly but all her efforts were at vain. No matter how much she tried, like her attempts over those long six years and over most of this one, she failed. And she knew it was all her fault.

'I have fail you, my beloved mistress. I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. I should have obeyed you. I'm so sorry.' were her thoughts as she weeps silently.

'Please, if anyone can hear me, pass this message to the Mistress of the Night Sky. Warn her of the danger that is coming. I beg of you. Tell her. TELL HER!!'

And she suddenly sits up, her head full of sweat and her heart beating rapidly. Quietly going to the bathroom to wash up, she fully open her eyes in shock as a figure with white hair and red eyes stared back at her from the mirror. Gasping, she blinked and her normal reflection was back.

"Rein?" muttered Hayate sleepily, "What are you doing up so late?"

"Nothing Hayate-chan," called back Reinforce Zwei. "Just a bad dream."

"I'm going make you stop eating supper if this keep happening again."

"Ah! But I get hungry..." exclaimed Rein.

"I'm just kidding Rein. Go to bed soon alright? We'll be shifting to the Asura tomorrow. Its going to be a long day." reminded Hayate.

"Okay"

As she goes back to bed, she thinks. 'Maybe I should cut down a bit. but that was just a bad dream right?'

~~~
TBC...

Thoughts?

I may have little experience with fics but this one is definitely PURE AWESOME MATERIAL!!!

Originally Posted by Keroko

Artherion: [Statement: Greetings, is there someone you need killed, master?]

Artherion is scary...

Originally Posted by dkellis

Yes, it counts as a magical attack.

That means AMF the sucker and it's useless.

I was afraid that it could nullify the AMF of something like the Cradle. That would have made it overly powerful. Guess my worries were for nothing.

Originally Posted by Kyral

Elric: Define 'favorable outcome', Carnage.

Cernage: [They all die.]

There seem to be several dangerous AIs around... Got to be careful where I tread...

Originally Posted by Comartemis

The idea is a sword which acts as a sort of magical battery, constantly draining magic from the atmosphere to charge itself. This charge is used to enhance the sharpness of the blade to absurd levels (at maximum charge, it can sever molecular bonds and cut through solid blocks of just about any metal you can imagine) or the stored magic can be discharged as a single (or a few, haxx-dependent) S-rank spell with no charge time or strain on Alex's linker core. Doing this reduces the sharpness of the blade to normal levels for about 24 hours until the blade recharges itself. Other than this, it acts as a fairly standard intelligent device. Due to its' distinctive appearance, Alex refrains from using this prior to his unveiling of his identity during the HQ attack, and only breaks it out when he really needs to bust some heads. Otherwise, he uses his armor device to dispatch "lesser" foes.

Originally Posted by Keroko

I don't have much complaint against the sword being able to cut through metal (concidering we've already seen canon swords do the same) as long as it can't just cut through other magical Devices. The S-rank blast, I suggest you limit a bit. No charge time is good, concidering the sword already charged itself, but don't remove the strain of casting an S-rank spell.

In addition to what Keroko mentioned, some strain on the sword could also be introduced. Think of it as transferring some of the strain of the spell from the linker core to the sword itself. A possible result of this could be that the sword has an increased tendacy to break. This is just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Comartemis

...

<.<

>.>

*Drops package and runs*

Spoiler for HQ Attack Details:

• Forwards, Rein, and Vita are on standby with main defense forces
• Ginga is en route through the sewer system
• Signum + Aces begin trapped in the central tower without their devices. Tower is under heavy AMF and all transmissions are being blocked
• Recovery of Vivio is TOP PRIORITY
• Recovery of Type-Zero Combat Cyborgs is a secondary concern

• All attacks begin within a few minutes of each other, possibly within seconds of each other for the first few incidents
• Uno disables primary communication systems
• Sein disables backup comms by knocking out central control
• Cinque demolishes power to defensive shielding
• Lutecia summons hoards of Gadgets to the area immediately surrounding HQ
• Deici attacks HQ directly with Aerosol Shell, knocking out many within the building
• Sette and Tre engage air forces outside the tower
• Zest and Agito engage Vita and Rein outside HQ
• Nove, Wendi intercept Forwards on their way to meet up with the Aces
• Deed and Otto commence attack on RF6 Headquarters. Lutecia (and Garyuu) provides backup
• Cinque intercepts Ginga, calls for backup from Nove/Wendi

Question: HOW DO WE TURN THIS SITUATION AROUND?

Comacanon changes to HQ Attack situation:

• Zead prepares for worst case scenario and calls in a few favors. Church Knights under Iris's command and/or Durandal are on standby at the opening of the attack.
• Alex is cooling his heels at RF6 headquarters.
• Zafira, as Hayate's immediate subordinate, is at the press conference
• Hayate is free to leave the conference with Fate and Nanoha, since Zead is the one trapped in the meeting room.

Possible course of events:

• Iris and the Church Knights delay the initial charge of the Gadgets, preventing them from blocking off HQ with an AMF field for a few minutes. The Aces go mobile during this time, rendezvous with the Forwards, and engage the Cyborgs in an epic melee outside HQ.
• Zead convinces Regius to evacuate the tower ASAP
• Rein and Hayate go Unison and intercept Zest and Agito, showing off Schwertkreuz's shiny new halberd form, and proceed to lay the smack down on Z&A at all ranges. She's called a Mage-Knight for a reason, fellas.
• Vita and Signum engage Sette and Tre, while Lutecia summons multiple waves of Gadgets--including Type-IVs and several of Jail's prototype designs--and her insects to keep Nanoha, Fate, and all unengaged forces occupied. Garyuu and Hokutenou also make appearances.
• The Forwards engage Nove and Wendi
• Lutecia is unable to reinforce Otto and Deed for the RF6 HQ attack; her position is taken by Cein and Quattro.
• Jail's objective for the GFHQ attack switches to a desperate holding action, trying to buy time for the other Numbers to pull off the RF6 HQ attack and make off with Vivio and her Relic. With Lutecia providing endless waves of reinforcements, this looks as if it will be successful...
• Cinque is knocked out and captured by Ginga due to lack of support from Nove and Wendi.
• Otto, Deed, Quattro, Cein, and their Gadget backup successfully smash up RF6 HQ despite a valiant defense by Alex and Shamal. The timely arrival of Durandal coincides with a Limiter Override code from Hermes, and the tide shifts in an instant.
• Cein attempts to pull Vivio and her relic out of the interior of RF6 but is badly wounded by Vice and Storm Raider. She escapes with the relic, but no Vivio.
• Quattro pulls back and leaves her "sisters" to the tender mercies of Latona and Alex after claiming Vivio's relic from Sein.
• The battle continues to turn further and further against Jail, who psychotically refuses to believe he's been beaten until the last cyborg has fallen and his plans are completely in shambles.
  
• OPTIONAL: In his psychosis, Jail tries for one last hurrah by triggering a self-destruct mechanism in the cyborgs, trying to take as many enemies out as he possibly can. Uno, Due, Tre, and Quattro fail to detonate because Jail never installed the self-destruct mechanism in them (he just "remembers" that he did, which the Original wants him to think). A faulty transmitter in Cinque's body, damaged by her fight with Ginga (she got clipped by a Vibration Shatter), renders her the only survivor of the second generation cyborgs. She'll go on to swear vengeance against her creator for slaughtering her sisters and reluctantly join up with Durandal.
• Tre and Quattro show off bits of equipment they shouldn't have as they engage in a cross-dimension jump, heading back to the original Jail with bad news. Due assassinates the high council and jumps out. Uno offs the clone after his stunt with the detonator and ports out after hitting the lab's self-destruct button and carting off all the relics and all the research data the clone collected.

I do not have any problems against this scenario.
Just two words, poor numbers.

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

All in all, most of what you posted are either swords, axes, or clubs. You can change the individual design styles, give them fancy names, and all that, but they're still just swords, axes, and clubs.

Basically, thats just what we have to work on. Unless of course, we start coming up with devices that do not look like weapons at all. (Teapots with AI, anyone?)

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

Now if you want my oppinion... I haven't really seen anyone using a full on SPEAR. (I'm sure you guys have some spear users running around, I just haven't payed enough attention to it.) Raising Heart does a Spear-like attack in Excellion form, but that's about all I've seen. But there's one thing to be said about a spear user... They know what they're doing, and are probably the most dangerous melee fighter on the field. With a combination of long reach, the abillity to pierce, and allowing the fighter to put their weight behind it, a decent Spear user would probably give the melee fighters a run for their money.

You seem to like spears a lot. As for spear users, Mirron is working on a spear-wielding OC. Just to point him out to you.

Originally Posted by Comartemis

How does having Hayate have good melee skills "screw over the system"? Her title of Mage-Knight indicates a mastery of both Mid and Belka systems, so why the heck wouldn't she be able to hold her own in melee?

Recall that one of the big points of Comcanon is to de-shaft Hayate and rid her of the glass cannon image, and there's no better way to do that than to show that she can tangle with the best of the best in melee and at range.

Perhaps Hayate could be decent enough at melee to create enough distance between herself and Zest to hit him hard enough with a barrage of mid range spells? Just my opinion again.

*Backlog Breaker finished*

Man, this thread is growing at an extremely fast rate.
(Then again, you guys made the last thread over 1200 pages long in one year... Cadia never ceases to amaze me)

[Kha]

Yes indeed that's one way, and there's really nothing wrong with that. You gave her better melee skills. Aaron made her access her spells faster; reduce the cast time, more spells fired off, better close quarter viability.

My take has my own thinking, as well as the impression I get (with lots of vibing from our resident Hayate (s)expert. <.<) from the others about this, is to have Hayate adapt her current style of combat to better combat melee.

The cool thing about Hayate is that she has access to Frost attacks, and that scores a lot of points in Person vs Person (PVP) with the ability to slow even freeze her opponents in place. And on top of that, dark sneaky Shadow spells (as well as ZOMGTHATSBIG ones). All this is very tasty in that Hayate has potential to have very good "crowd control" in the form of in-flavor snare spells.

But I did modify more than 1 aspect. I agree with Aaron's idea, and I did consider giving Hayate an ability to instantly cast a spell prepared before-hand, so I've borrowed that (along with Grandis, despite my preference for Hayaurion. ).

Earlier, in Cente Gravia, we will see Hayate asking for help about melee. It's to put her "I suck at CQC" comment in perspective; she is just very easy to manipulate into being "caught flatfooted". That is one of the hardest parts about melee combat, and it takes time to not get checkmated; but unlike the other 4 Aces, she did not have the previous exposure. She's just an otaku who woke up one day and discovered that her being a magical girl was no dream. This I believe is really why Hayate doesn't excel in CQC, and 10 years isn't much, especially when you've spent most of it passing command aptitude tests and academia.

So its not that she can't really clash blades, I believe with her enhanced body and exposure she could easily bat aside spells and weapon swings, and outfight an unboosted human. However, when you get to the other skilled Belka, or the veteran Midchilda officer, that's when her lack shows up. Giving her a suddenly a great strength in melee while not really gimping her nukability might not work as well, given her short life spent so far.

To be honest, a Caro VS Hayate CQC match will either end in hilarity (both sides tripping over themselves), in a tickling fest (no strength to inflict damage), or Hayate wins by overpowering Caro (she's both taller and bigger than Caro) or Caro boosts herself and overpowers Hayate with brute force. In other words, even when tested, you can't take it seriously.

But this is just my $0.02. Do what you wish.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Hell, yes.

My gamemaster has gone in despair when his four onis went down because I one-shot them all. (I rolled lots of 10s that night, it was the old L5R system, not D20)

And I gained honor points because my friends all ran away, leaving me, the tank, to deal with the onis.

Now he thinks twice before throwing monsters at me lightly.

I always like to play with the 'big stupid fighter' generalisation. I once made a smart fighter, who's main skills were centered around knowledge checks instead of the usuall climb/tumble/perception etc. Everyone looked weird at me untill we got assigned a mission to go to an ancient ruin, nobody knew where or what it was, so I rolled a knowledge check to find out if I knew. Totally not expecting that one, the GM frantically checked what the DC was, and it turned out I beat the DC to the point where I knew exactly what it was, where it was, and what its current state was.

In the end, it turned out that the GM's idea was for us to find out, and eventually end up in the library where we would have to go through quite a lot of trouble before we were given the needed info. I circumvented that entire step completely.

Originally Posted by kazenoyuuchi

There sure are a lot of characters already created!
Makes me want to create an OC...

Then do it, we all want to see your OC.

Originally Posted by kazenoyuuchi

Tri-Ace??? Whats that???

Myself, Aaron and Kha are some of the biggest fans of Nanoha, Hayate and Fate in the thread respectively. I'm huge Nanoha fan, even though Vivio is currently a bit higher on my favourite character list. Aaron is a huge Hayate fan, and Kha is a huge Fate fan. When we got a series of avatars reflecting our favourite characters, we were kinda dubbed 'the three Aces of AF'

Now every time me, Aaron and Kha post in succesion, its like the three Aces of the TSAB posted. Hence, tri-ace breaker.

Originally Posted by kazenoyuuchi

*Newtype flash* I may be getting a brainwave here!

Then go and write, I'm looking forward to seeing it.

Originally Posted by kazenoyuuchi

Artherion is scary...

Scary, but morbidly amusing.

[krisslanza]

Keroko has no response to my plotting with Vivio though...
Or maybe the thought is simply too terrifying

[PhoenixG]

Originally Posted by krisslanza

Oh. Right.
Why DID you call me that anyway?

Well Kha proclaims that your the emperor of Belka/saint church or whatever it was, but I refused that and dubbed you as DG of yakyuken :P

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by krisslanza

Keroko has no response to my plotting with Vivio though...
Or maybe the thought is simply too terrifying

Nya? *scrolls back up*

Must have missed that, could you fill me in?

[krisslanza]

Originally Posted by PhoenixG

Well Kha proclaims that your the emperor of Belka/saint church or whatever it was, but I refused that and dubbed you as DG of yakyuken :P

Oh. I see.
I suppose either way I'm above you in status... >:3

Originally Posted by Keroko

Nya? *scrolls back up*

Must have missed that, could you fill me in?

It was back on page 96 You said anyone was free to pair Vivio up with someone or something... It sounded like an invitation so...