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It's just that everyone and there brother keeps point to the mistake the Raphaela mentions Clare is making in chapter 91 as proof of this lovey dovey stuff. I see no other great theories about this mistake, so I've just been waiting super impatiently to hear what it is... hoping for something else, but expecting nothing... |
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2009-07-21, 23:18 | Link #1322 |
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I think if clare were to not use her yoki riful would win for sure, and since the goal was to lure riful out and sneak past her, using yoki woudl be dumb.
Come to think of it, didn't clare lure riful out and sneak past her without fighting riful or getting noticed? |
2009-07-21, 23:25 | Link #1323 | |
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Clare is forced to be with Priscilla for many journeys and fights until one day she finally gives up on vengeance and forgives herself and Priscilla. Dam... another DBZ reference... think Viegeta accepting Goku in the end minus the sayian blood making them want to fight to proves who's the best. Edit: Now think about it if Clare starts to fully awaken (so Priscilla is now in Teresa's shoes) and she chooses to spare Clare... I won't get into the twists of how Clare's full awakening could go or if someone like Galatea reverts her at the last second... leave that to you all |
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2009-07-21, 23:27 | Link #1324 | |||||
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Holy hell Ryus
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Talk about mind-boggling! Their's nothing really I can say: I have no reason to believe that Priscilla's not stronger then 2 Abyssal One's other then just that it's been my thought process for a very long time and I don't know If I like the idea she's even stronger. Not to mention Riful only said their "might be a chance" if 2 Abyssals fought her, never said anything about actually winning. To actually reach Hyper-Abyssal...it just seems like too much. Do you know what this means? It means not even the new juggernaut on the block, Raciella, has a chance of scratching her. Again, we don't know how much she's weakening herself but I don't know.... One little question....Isley and Renee? When did Renee ever gauge Priscilla's strength? she trembled all right and gave us the indication she was stronger then Riful at the very least by her reactions, but that's about it. And if Priscilla really was a Hyper-Abyssal....I get the impression she would have torn him completely apart rather then just tearing off one arm. Forget it, I'm not doing anything but saying random things Quote:
You're right in the sense that Claire and all the Ghosts might not be able to help her but surely they must be able to do something. They know the secrets of half-awakening, surely they can offer some sort of insight. But you're right, if all else fails, Raki will tragically end up fighting her back and dying like he predicted he would. Quote:
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You said that her power is unknown; we know it's known, and you seem to think that if she used her yoki, she would actually beat Riful. Their's also the fact, even before that moment, Claire said herself that she wasn't strong enough to beat her: "Even if I can't beat you, escape from here is possible" That's proof enough that she isn't even in Abyssal territory yet, whether or not if she uses Yoki. However, if she is strong enough to beat Riful, why bother with stealth? Why not just kill both her and Dauf and kill a major threat and save Renee without any trouble? That seems to be the kind of power you're implying she apparently has. Going back to the original point, this is proof enough that Claire just isn't even close, especially if Priscilla's strength is far more then I thought according to Ryus. Fully Awakening is the only way I can see Claire winning, much less having a chance. |
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2009-07-21, 23:46 | Link #1325 |
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Because it wouldn't be the best course of action. Think of how long fights on that level take. Teresa vs pris took forever, so did Easley vs Lucia.
Lets say you want to steal a candy bar from a gas station. You've got the firepower to ensure that you will succeed. How would you, (you being clare) go about this? Considering clare was trained to be sneaky from the best, she'd probably try to get in, steal it, then get out without being noticed. Going in and shooting everyone before walking out with your candy bar would be a huge hassle and waste of effort. Also, I dont think she was trying to say she couldn't win, all clare was really saying was that she could definatly get away. Remember, she used an "if" statment, meaning maybe she cant win, but she can get away. |
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............And are you aware that you're contradicting yourself? Because now, by agreeing with me that she cannot beat Riful like she clearly said, you agree that she does have a measure of power that we are aware of and that she is still leagues and leagues away from even scratching Priscilla, unless she fully awakens, especially if she's even stronger then 2 Abyssal Ones like Ryus believes. Pretending that she has this imaginary strength that she's strong enough to beat Riful like you originally seemed to imply, I still don't see what's the problem. Killing Riful and Dauf would remove a major power; why bother being sneaky at all? Because of alot of hassle? So what? If she has the power, I don't see what benefits you could get by not killing her. I really don't get you TalesNut, I really don't. |
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Renee showed the same level of fear with Priscilla as she did with Raciella. She didn't with Riful. This proves nothing except that Priscilla and Raciella are beyond anything Renee could imagine. When likely a pair of eyes would be able to judge the level of an Abyssal... if Riful wasn't so good at hiding her power. As for Isley, well he didn't even notice her regeneration. Then he was in disbelief with Priscilla taking half his body in a split second. That screams Isley was way less then half of what she was. Plus the fact that Isley never contradicted what Rigardo said. Finally Isley said that no mater how many strong ones Riful assembled that no one could defeat her. I believe no one means even as a group not solo... Here I interrupted Isley as saying Priscilla is just as beyond them as they where above Rigardo and Duff. Quote:
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Then the girls big brother deliberatly starts a pointless war and deliberatly runs it that way so people will agree with his little sister. The gundam pilots play along but on the other side. Big space battle... humanity on Earth hold a protest against violence... battle ends... Giant space station falls to Earth... big brother fakes his death when he stops it for hitting Earth... 15 year old girl voted UN leader... she throws all weapons into the sun... humanity lives in perfect happiness for all time being fooled by the show that was put on for them. In short right idea... lets stop the cycle of violence but with horrible debates about why its so right every 5 secs... So, I agree in principle, but am saying Yagi would never make a big deal about it. Quote:
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2009-07-22, 00:01 | Link #1328 |
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It's amazing what failing to read one word can do. I'll go back and bold some stuff for you.
Also, I dont think she was trying to say she couldn't win, all clare was really saying was that she could definatly get away. Remember, she used an "if" statment, meaning maybe she cant win, but she can get away. Both of those words indicate that she isn't certin she can win, but also isn't certin she cant. That would make it unknown, which is exactly what I've been saying this entire time. |
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Bah, I always believed Isley was just exagerrating to make Priscilla the God on the island. He wasn't kidding that she was basically unstoppable to everyone until Raciella showed up(though you seem to think otherwise), but I thought he was just stretching the truth a little. After all, if Claire fully awakens, she's not invincible anymore is she? Quote:
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I can't believe you're putting so much into one word she said, because she said "If". Especially when it doesn't disregard the fact she said Riful would kill her if she saw her, which throws all that tough-talk out the window, If and all, as well as giving us a measure of power. God this is so ridiculous I feel dumb just thinking about it. I feel like talking to a 2-year-old and all logic is thrown out the window because he keeps saying "But Why?" again and again....and again.....and again......and again.....and again....and again No offense |
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2009-07-22, 00:18 | Link #1332 | |
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Eeeek OOOOH, his location, now I get it... Wait....is he my conscious? Don't tell me he's God, oh please please no And Ryus? Gundam Wing? I don't get it The only thing I managed to derive from your synopsis is that the little girl is a confusing psychopath....and 15 year olds shouldn't be made UN leaders.....15 years old shouldn't be anything but in school |
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2009-07-22, 00:27 | Link #1333 | |
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First off that's likely half the reason why Priscilla has been starving herself. So she'll not be that much stronger and likely weaker. Second of all I already covered this a while ago but maybe a merger awakening will be far stronger then that of 2 #1 awakening added together. It could be an exponential growth. After all they where made from the same yoma so they should really be able to merge far beyond what any others could (except Alicia and Beth). So there awakening could be like a four fold increase or more. Plus lets not forget Raphaela has been fighting with her aura suppressed and that is how the ghosts increased there powers. Mind you I doubt Raphaela was training like them but she did suppress her aura for a lot longer then 7 years so any training she did would have effected her in the same way. also the very fact that they lost all since of self meant that even there minds could better merge. |
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2009-07-22, 00:32 | Link #1334 | |
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You and I seem to have the same mental power levels beliefs...except yours is on a much higher level then mine. Don't push it however; exponential growth is something we know Priscilla has; she awakened all her potential when she fully awakened, we can't say other people has it without something more concrete. Rafaela probably did something much more during her years alone that we don't know, but we just don't know. |
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2009-07-22, 00:39 | Link #1335 | |
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She was the daughter of some assassinated guy like Gandhi. So sadly people listened to her... She didn't get her brother to attack Earth. He just realized it would help her cause... he was the crazy one... She was a very naive idealist who took her pacifism very seriously. Even though in the end she fell for one of gundam pilots, the bad ass 15 year-old year old one with the second highest death count (he even blew up buildings with C4, aka without his giant robot). She changed him like Raki did Isley, cry... Never watch it! |
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I cant make it any more clear what the words "if" and "maybe" mean then I just did. Also, the only thing we can really go by are those words, we have no real info telling us how strong clare really is. She's been hiding her yoki, so no one (including riful or yourself) really knows how strong she is.
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And you're telling me this psychotic confusing 15-year-old girl is the main character?! What a show! Quote:
If I so much as cross her field of vision, she'll tear me to pieces in seconds If I so much as cross her field of vision, she'll tear me to pieces in seconds If I so much as cross her field of vision, she'll tear me to pieces in seconds If I so much as cross her field of vision, she'll tear me to pieces in seconds If I so much as cross her field of vision, she'll tear me to pieces in seconds If I so much as cross her field of vision, she'll tear me to pieces in seconds Would you please explain to me how this isn't proof? And it's from her own mouth? Are you saying she's lying, and she's hiding for some other reason? I can keep pasting it if you like I have something to explain why I believe Claire's current measure of power is known. You haven't really given anything other then emphasizing the word "If" which doesn't do much. |
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2009-07-22, 00:46 | Link #1338 | |
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I can use Riful own comments to support my speculation "It's still growing Larger and Larger" "but it just keeps on growing Larger" right before the AF attack. In other words it's already at her level and showing no sings of stopping. Something you suspect if she was already half way to her maximum. |
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2009-07-22, 00:48 | Link #1339 |
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Again, with her yoki totally hidden, I'm positive that she's telling the truth. If she were to release it, things may have been different. Again with things we aren't sure of that you seem to have knowledge of...
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The story seems IS silly and nonsensical. |
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