(CR) Saki

[Spectrum]

Originally Posted by Sindas

I agree those are the most important ones.

I'm glad someone notices!

For balance purposes, -20% Nodoka and +20% Saki would be better. Nodoka is too hax.

[night_sentinel]

Lol ... I won't take the power chart I made seriously since well its a bit subjective. We really need the next episode....

Originally Posted by Wildclaw

Willpower is the ability to tap into supernatural abilities and senses that isn't possible for ordinary humans. All special abilities work by willpower. The more willpower a character has, the greater the power or likelyhood of a special ability to function. However, any special ability is also contested by the willpower of other players. Some special abilities also get bonuses vs other abilities. These bonuses are not included below and instead has to be figured out on a case by case basis. Finally, willpower is also modified by the mood of the player.

This is an interesting concept. I'll just add a few things... Btw, do you think it is better to rank their individual abilities, too?

Ikeda Kana 3/5/3
Big winner: Supernatural luck when it comes to forming high yaku hands. (including dora indicators).
Shrewd Cat: Highly resistant to having her own abilities reduced, but also unable to negate opponent abilities.

I have no comment here, since I really have no idea what her abilities are. If this is true Big winner should have an AAA rank. Shrewd Cat should be at least an A.
I would also like to add the condition : When opponent is Koromo +1 to willpower -1 to defence.

Kana's stat then would be:
Tier : AA
Offense: AAA or S
Defence: C or D
Willpower : C

Originally Posted by Wildcat

Kajiki Yumi 5/4
Demon Hunter: Has the abilitiy to instinctivly and through observation sense the supernatural and counter it.

I think this is quite true also, but I would further Demon Hunter modify this to insightful adaptation to any circumstances whether supernatural or not and give the ability an AAA.

Yumi's stat then would be:
Tier: AAA
Offence: A
Defence: A
Willpower: AAA

Skill:
Demon Hunter
Rank:AAA
insightful adaption through any circumstance and ability to counter.

Amae Koromo 4/5
Monster: Any test on luck is done using willpower. Has supernatural knowledge and power over the flow of the game.

Hmm... I think Monster isn't just her power... in my mind it would like this

Koromo's stat (this is when the moon is full)
Tier: S
Offence: S
Defence: A
Willpower:S

Skills:

Monster
Rank:S
Can invoke any of her powers anytime and get to tenpai easier. (More like infinite mana and lessened casting time)

Fearful Aura
Rank: A
Cause the other players to feel a great fear of Koromo, paralyzing them in indecision, frustrating them to make bad moves...
Condition: With sufficient willpower and concentration this power loses its hold.

High Tide
Rank: AAA
Stops a person from getting into tenpai. I think that Koromo's presence acts like a mind screw since most try to stop her instead of focusing on their hands. It can also be combined with her fearful aura to be more haxor.
Condition: The person must not realize what is happening. If they realized it, like Yumi who saw that they are focusing too much on Koromo and playing safe (due to fearful aura). It stops its effectiveness.

Scooping the Moon from the bottom of the ocean
Rank: S
Just like Saki's rinshan, when Koromo is allowed to pick the last tile, she automatically invokes this.
Condition: Really slow, since Koromo have to wait for the last tile to be available. Need to be combined with high tide for it to be effective.

Low Tide
Rank: A
Can build a hand to target a single person.
Condition: Koromo must guess what the person is trying to do with his/her discards which is 50/50. If the person is under the grip of fearful aura make that chance 100%.

Originally Posted by wildclaw

Miyanaga Saki 4/5
Monster: Any test on luck is done using willpower. Has supernatural knowledge and power over the flow of the game.
Timid Nature: Extra reduction of willpower while afraid, but also has the abilitiy to push past her natural boundries while calm.

I also agree with this, just need to add a few things.

Saki
Tier S
Offence: S
Defence: S
Willpower:A (normally) B (currently)

Skills:
Timid Nature
Rank: A
Extra reduction of willpower and sealing of skill: monster while afraid, but also has the abilitiy to push past her natural boundries while calm.

Monster
Rank: S
Can invoke any of her powers anytime and get to tenpai easier. (More like infinite mana and lessened casting time)
Condition: Must be in a positive state to activate and sealed by timid nature.

Hidden Aura
Rank: A
Consequence of timid nature, Any monster moves that Saki makes seems to come out of the blue, there are no massive aura that shows what is happening until it actually happened or already unstoppable.

Extra sensitivity
Rank: C
Makes Saki ridiculously vulnerable to harmful aura's of other players (like Fujita-pro or Koromo) to the point of paralysis. Though it allows Saki to know if a person is powerful or not and actually sense Koromo's power at least 10 km away before meeting her.

Wall reading
Rank: S
Due to extra sensitivity, Saki knows the content of the wall. Even in fearful or calm state. This is demonstrated at the match with Fujita-pro when she names the tile drawn. But, also due to extra sensitivity, Saki's mind is too frspazzled to actually put it in a good use.

Survival Instinct
Rank: A
Perhaps due to Extra Sensitivity, Saki knows whether the hand is harmful to her or not and sometime the content of said hand and when the player is going to make his/her move.
Condition: Saki must be in a fearful state for this to happen or at least cautious state. Even if Saki knows she often can't do anything about it since her automatic reflex seems to tighten her defense like a turtle hiding under her shell.

The flower that blooms at the peak of the mountain
Rank: S
When Saki calls a kong, the tile drawn is always able to forms a tsumo. I think this is just a natural consequence of Saki's wall reading.
Condition: Saki must be in a positive state or else be too afraid to invoke. Maybe exposed too much to her sisters Kokushi which can rob a kong concealed or not.

Hand Changing
Rank: S
Demonstrated in episode 1 and 2. When Saki easily changed her hand's composition.
Condition: This can only occur when she is playing +/- 0. Haven't demonstrated yet, when playing for the win.

By the way, has anyone noticed that Saki has never done a ron ????? Maybe I should put a pacifist nature too. And make all her attribute increase by 1 when playing +/- zero.

P.S. I just noticed beside the skill monster, Saki and Koromo's skill has a certain condition one must fulfill or has a certain drawbacks to it. For example in Saki's skill set in exchange for her acute sense of reading of people and the wall, she becomes vulnerable to harmful auras and her mood is easily affected. Koromo's skill set rely on her being able to scare the crap out of her opponent.

[Proto]

By the way, has anyone noticed that Saki has never done a ron ????? Maybe I should put a pacifist nature too. And make all her attribute increase by 1 when playing +/- zero.

She did one against Mako in ep. 1 or 2 if I remember well.

[emauser]

Originally Posted by night_sentinel

I think this is quite true also, but I would further Demon Hunter modify this to insightful adaptation to any circumstances whether supernatural or not and give the ability an AAA.

Yumi's stat then would be:
Tier: AAA
Offence: A
Defence: A
Willpower: AAA

Skill:
Demon Hunter
Rank:AAA
insightful adaption through any circumstance and ability to counter.

I would one more to her abilities

Skill:
Instant Insight
Rank:A
Ability to instantly deduce or guess opponents powers without any prior knowledge

Koromo skills should include:

Werewolf
Rank:A
Under full moon all stats are raised by 1 and all abilities have higher chance of success

[TheBigN]

Originally Posted by bayoab

It's really extremely boring for the most part. They play pretty slowly and the topics they talk about are yawns for the most part.

And yet for some reason I'd still want to watch that. :P

I'm also enjoying this power level discussion greatly. :3

[Shiroth]

Spoiler for Episode 17:

This episode for me was all about the last 5 minutes or so. We knew Saki was going to do something to turn the game around, but oh boy, never would i have imagined something like that. I was on the edge of my seat. Hurry up please next week!

& all this while she still needs to go toilet.

[Proto]

And so ep 17 comes and goes... stuff happened, but since there wasn't much Yumi during this episode I won't comment.

*Proto out*

[Quarkboy]

Originally Posted by Shiroth

Spoiler for Episode 17:

This episode for me was all about the last 5 minutes or so. We knew Saki was going to do something to turn the game around, but oh boy, never would i have imagined something like that. I was on the edge of my seat. Hurry up please next week!

& all this while she still needs to go toilet.

She went to the bathroom with Nodoka right before the second half began, in case it wasn't clear.

So no need to worry! There's still only one peeing yourself anime on Crunchyroll this season!

[einhorn303]

The "heartfelt moments during the five minute break" scenes were pretty well done. Kana and Captain's scene actually made me tear up a bit ;_; And Saki's montage of "I must remember..." flashbacks made me go FFFF YEAH! It's good to revisit the very beginnings of the series like that. Just like Saki, we need to be reminded of what this struggle is really all about, the promises and tears and loves of blooming youth. I can't wait to see what crazy yakuman she'll pull out next episode. Or maybe it'll be something completely unexpected, like Yumi winning.

I wonder about Fujita's comments to "the Koromo" were about?

Spoiler for 17:

Maybe it's really like Hikaru no Go, and the Koromo has some sort of ghost or demon possessing her, playing for her? It is Saki, I wouldn't put it past the show.

And Momoko's "After the match..." comment also provides fuel for speculation. Crazed yuri speculation.

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

She went to the bathroom with Nodoka right before the second half began, in case it wasn't clear.

So no need to worry! There's still only one peeing yourself anime on Crunchyroll this season!

But they only had 56 or so seconds before the match started. Is that really enough time to pee? Did Saki require aid? You have to consider that, in my experience, women take more time to use the bathroom because they can't quickly use a urinal. Oh, no, the speculation is far from over.



Also, Saki is smiling. Saki is smiling, guys.

[TheBigN]

Originally Posted by Shiroth

Spoiler for Episode 17:

This episode for me was all about the last 5 minutes or so. We knew Saki was going to do something to turn the game around, but oh boy, never would i have imagined something like that. I was on the edge of my seat. Hurry up please next week!

& all this while she still needs to go toilet.

Spoiler for Saki 17:

I like how it at least shows that Saki's not going to let things go as planned for Koromo. I'm wondering if Koromo's just going to blow this off though as, you know, most adversaries in control tend to do. :P

Also, Saki is smiling. Saki is smiling, guys.

And I'm smiling to waiting to see what will happen. :3

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

She went to the bathroom with Nodoka right before the second half began, in case it wasn't clear.

Nope. It wasn't clear at all.

[kk2extreme]

feeling bad for kana, she should be the first one to play not the last

[serenade_beta]

Ikeda...

Spoiler for ep17:

The end of the episode>>>>>>>>>>>>Every part except the end

Most of the episode was the dull usual (with Ikeda's complete loss being the only amusing part), but the end sure fired things up. Just that part though.
And... Ikeda really is in a pathetic state...

Still... What does Saki plan to do about the toilet...? It was kind of funny to see Nodoka blabbering about the past while Saki needed to go to the toilet.

[Quarkboy]

Face it, Kana is screwed. She's 180,000 points plus down, with 6 hands + bonus hands to go.

Assuming she wins with a yakuman (no double this tournament) EACH HAND (that's 32,000 points per hand non-east. 48,000 as east), she'd gain: 5*32,000 + 48.000 = ~200,000 points.

That's a yakuman. Each hand.

Unless Kana's hidden power is "My father is the president of the national high school mahjong tournament organization" she's screwed.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

Assuming she wins with a yakuman (no double this tournament)

Where was stated this rule? I missed it

[Proto]

That's a yakuman. Each hand.

She still has one turn as east left, so that increases her chances a little. That and she can always do direct hits on Koromo, and even if she doesn't even with a tsumo Koromo points decrease a little, , so more in her favor. Like, from 0.001% to 0.0015%.

[Quarkboy]

Originally Posted by Bambi

Where was stated this rule? I missed it

In the episode that just aired on crunchyroll. ep 17.

[tjalorak]

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

In the episode that just aired on crunchyroll. ep 17.

I wonder how this plays into Teru showing "frightfully high scoring hands" from ep. 3. Maybe it just means overall, that she had a lot of yakuman or 24k+ hands.

[einhorn303]

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

Face it, Kana is screwed. She's 180,000 points plus down, with 6 hands + bonus hands to go.

Assuming she wins with a yakuman (no double this tournament) EACH HAND (that's 32,000 points per hand non-east. 48,000 as east), she'd gain: 5*32,000 + 48.000 = ~200,000 points.

That's a yakuman. Each hand.

Unless Kana's hidden power is "My father is the president of the national high school mahjong tournament organization" she's screwed.

So if she needs 180,000 points, and it's possible to get 200,000...

Hey, like Simon said in Gurren Lagann, "As long as it's not 0%, it's 100% to me!" Kana just needs to activate her Spiral Power.

[tjalorak]

Originally Posted by einhorn303

So if she needs 180,000 points, and it's possible to get 200,000...

Hey, like Simon said in Gurren Lagann, "As long as it's not 0%, it's 100% to me!" Kana just needs to activate her Spiral Power.

If some of the others get some rons on Koromo and brings her down to say the 120-130k range, Kana would need less points.