2004-09-19, 02:05 | Link #321 | |
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I'm also basing my opinion on the fact that Sasuke isn't much of a thinker and is in way close to Orochimaru in any aspect of superiority, a comment I've had to constantly used and still hasn't been directly challenged. Can care less whether or not Sasuke has a tragic end since whatever the author does is ok with me. |
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2004-09-19, 02:12 | Link #322 | |
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dude is damn ovbious can you imagine the sharingan on oro's hands? that is one fuken threat XD .. and yes just the seal itself is mark for control .. orochimaru knows that sasuke is looking for power . and he is taking advantage of that to control sasuke . |
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2004-09-19, 02:28 | Link #324 | |
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and yes sasuke is a traitor or at least lost on he way for revenge, why? why I say this ? look this whole volume is about sasuke intentions to kill naruto , dont tell me this not treason -_- |
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2004-09-19, 02:34 | Link #325 | |
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i don't want to get into the mythology talk right now, but if anyone's going to have the third ultimate sharingan move, it's sasuke. he closely resembles the third god who's move hasn't been done yet. itachi does mean weasel, and weasel is the natural enemy of the snake, orochimaru, however i truly believe sasuke is going to be the end of orochimaru, remove the sword from his stomach(again, another mythology reference. you'll also notice that in one of the earlier manga covers, sasuke, when he was older, did in fact have a sword) and then go on to fight itachi. i'm gonna have to disagree with you about sasuke not being a thinker. i just don't think he's been shown enough in the story for anyone to come to the conclusion that he lacks the ability to think ahead. i'm discarding the fact that naruto told him oro was going to take his body because it just happened, and in the heat of a beginning battle where there is no reasoning. it's true, he's still young and a bit headstrong, but he has shown times of intelligence(him taking the role of team leader in the chuunin exam as my primary example, his battle with oro where, even if oro was just fucking around, sasuke DID suprise him and firebomb him in the face. anyone else besides orochimaru taking that blast probably would have died or been seriously injured.). there's also that little bit about sasuke being able to resist the cursed seal. even oro was amazed at the fact that he could resist. sasuke might not even need to outsmart oro if he can resist the leash oro has put around his neck and simply kill him. sasuke has a few years until oro will try to take him, there's no doubt that, after just now mastering the sharingan, he will be incredibly strong after some training with oro. it's late and i'm rambling, hopefully i've made some sense. :P |
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2004-09-19, 03:07 | Link #326 | |
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you are forgetting that oro is not match itachi oro himslef said that .. so his last option is sasuke |
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2004-09-19, 03:12 | Link #327 | |
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uhm yeah sasuke said " go home, Naruto" "I've only lived to to kill Itachi" first he said " go home, Naruto" this has nothing to do with you or the konoha ppl .. now he wants to kill naruto WTF? that s one big contradiction .. kishimoto you are running out of ideas |
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2004-09-19, 03:26 | Link #329 | |
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2004-09-19, 03:30 | Link #330 | |
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2004-09-19, 04:00 | Link #332 | |
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lol you are right i apologize im just to lazy to do it i was replaying as was reading is 2:00 am here |
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2004-09-19, 05:26 | Link #334 | |
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2004-09-19, 09:26 | Link #335 |
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Man this really has become a fanboy rally!
Its been established (even by fanboys) that Sasuke is a traitor. It pretty much established that his actions are not justified (or justifialbe). Afterall, you can betray someone or thing when a good reason presents itself, like a threat to your family etc. Having lost in those areas the fanboys now argue about his intentions. I mean come on, how desperate can u get? The deed has been done, what does it matter if he intended on it happening? But i will humor you and agrue it anyway: 1) Last of Uchiha: your point was that leaf only cares about Sasuke for his BLL and that the village does not own him, or his extinct clan. I tend to think that if this happened with ANY ninja, not just "special" ppl, the leaf would sent someone to stop/kill them. The reason why the 5th ordered Sasuke to be returned, was because he had the benefit of the doubt. As for his clan and ownership, you're right that the leaf don't own him but he does is a part of them, and has been since birth. If we take your logic then any kind of betray is acceptable since no one truely belongs to anyone. But then you're point would just be "betrayal is OK in my book". Which it really isn't, but if you want to justifiy Sasuke's intent (not his actions) then yes this line of thinking would do (it would just make you a very unloyal person). If anyone is putting to much emphasis on Sasuke's BLL, its you not the Leafs. 2)Sheen (or whoever had that sham marriage example): Your argument are that terms of betrayal are subjective and that Sasuke didn't commit betrayal on an emotional level because he was never emotionally attached to the leafs to begin with. I will agree with you that "treachery" is a subjective term. But so is reality itself, so then the real agruement is not Sasuke but if my reality is more "real" than yours, which is just plain dumb. For the sake of sanity, lets assume that there is a shared reality, and in this shared reality Sasuke is a traitor, based on realdeal's def (which cover the bases nicely). Your example of a sham marriage is very wrong-headed. I don't see how it makes Sasuke more sympathetic, or even appropriate for this thread. Your point is that Sasuke isn't a bad person because he was a dick to start with (for not caring about the good guys)? That sounds a bit like circular logic to me. I personally think Sasuke was very attatched to the leafs and that is why breaking that bond is such a big deal in the series. So in conclusion, Sasuke's a real, albeit likable, dick this arc. It was intentional. Why do people feel the need to defend him even when he is obviously in the wrong? Fanboydom. But don't despair I've met many Republicians like you. |
2004-09-19, 09:37 | Link #337 | |
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2004-09-19, 09:41 | Link #338 |
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i just thought it was kinda funny how you were on a rant about fanboydom and then took the liberty to slam your opposing political party. i take it you're a very liberal person? good god, please don't let this board turn into a political debate.
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2004-09-19, 09:47 | Link #339 | |
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I do consider myself a free thinker, and base opinions and actions based on facts and not fanfare/fanboydom or partisanship. Just do you know. |
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2004-09-19, 09:57 | Link #340 |
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yea, that's cool, because there really is no greater fanboydom than when it comes to people talking politics. i mean, you can say all you want to them and still not sway them, so it's best to leave that shit at home and not some naruto message board. :P.
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