(L) No. 6

[Grifis]

Originally Posted by orion

Since when do 2 boys fall asleep on top of each other and nothing is expected to happen. The viewing audience is not made of idiots. We can agree to disagree on this point.

Nope they're not idiots at all. It just means that they've all been watching a lot of yaoi and their imagination is certainly more perverted than mine. There's nothing wrong with that. I just haven't thought about it in that perspective. The reason why I don't see it that way is because Mouse at that point was sick and dead tired so he fell on top of Shion and fell asleep. I mean they just met. They may be attracted to each other but I wouldn't go as far as suggesting that would jump on each other. From my point of view, it's a cute scene to see Mouse fell asleep on top of Shion but I don't see it in a perverted angle like you do, I mean the viewing audience.

[Solace]

Originally Posted by Fabelyn

Plus, sci-fi is still less done compared to other genres in anime.

That's my problem. What exactly was science fiction about this other than seeing them casually use technology that isn't something we can't do already?

I know science fiction is a diverse genre, but I'm hung up on the impression that this wasn't very sci-fi at all. It just felt like the setting was more important as a plot device to get the two boys to meet, in which case it could have been a western for all that it matters.

Originally Posted by Grifis

You might as well be straight to the point and say you don't like it because of BL. I can use this as a template and change a content a bit to fit most if not all of the titles on the first page of Current Series.

Get real. Why is it that it can't be for exactly why I said? Why twist my words into something else?

This show is a noitamina character piece. If somehow, the story ends up being more than that....I'll give it a second look.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Solace

That's my problem. What exactly was science fiction about this other than seeing them casually use technology that isn't something we can't do already?

I know science fiction is a diverse genre, but I'm hung up on the impression that this wasn't very sci-fi at all. It just felt like the setting was more important as a plot device to get the two boys to meet, in which case it could have been a western for all that it matters.

Sci-fi kicks in after ep. 1.

[Grifis]

Originally Posted by Solace

Get real. Why is it that it can't be for exactly why I said? Why twist my words into something else?

This show is a noitamina character piece. If somehow, the story ends up being more than that....I'll give it a second look.

You seriously want the show to answer all your questions in ep 1? Do they really need to show how Mouse escaped through the bars to impress you? (He might have found another route.) I know that must be a major plot hole or something. It's like somebody on the Disney board complaining about how Flynn didn't die when he fell off the cliff in Tangled.

[Solace]

Originally Posted by Grifis

You seriously want the show to answer all your questions in ep 1? Do they really need to show how Mouse escaped through the bars to impress you? (He might have found another route.) I know that must be a major plot hole or something. It's like somebody on the Disney board complaining about how Flynn didn't die when he fell off the cliff in Tangled.

No. I expect to be intrigued by the story. The point of the first episode IS to impress the audience, to pull them in with a hook so they keep watching, and I didn't come away impressed. I don't expect explanations right away, but this setup is as generic as you can get. Can the same be said about other shows as well? Sure. But we're not discussing other shows here, we're talking about this one.

I'm just expressing my opinion, and you clearly disagree. Let's leave it at that.

In regards to the escape, actually yes I did want some explanation on that particular thing. He's bleeding heavily and cornered. Would it have hurt to show how he got out of that? It doesn't have to be fancy, maybe he realized he could slip through one of the bars. But showing him facing a dead end and then showing him on the run later is a bit jarring. It certainly didn't seem like a moment of foreshadowing (flashback of how he escaped, using it later to get back in). How did he escape....sea turtles?

Originally Posted by orion

Sci-fi kicks in after ep. 1.

Glad to hear it.

[Reckoner]

Originally Posted by Solace

I'm just expressing my opinion, and you clearly disagree. Let's leave it at that.

No, you must bow down and beg forgiveness for having an opinion. Forums are not places for discussions and opinions, they are sacred ohly grounds where you can only worship. The nonbelievers will be cast out .

[Soliloquy]

I thoroughly enjoyed the episode as it is one of a few anime that had a main character as a boy and it's not a shonen. Not having a high expectation certainly left me with positive impressions. I liked the lead characters. They came across as genuinely likable while still naive. The pace of the episode was just right too, one thing I didn't like about Deadman Wonderland was that everything happened so fast even though it guess that was its purpose. I expect good things in the future and eventually explain all the circumstances.

[vaden]

That house must have some excellent soundproofing, if Mouse's yells didn't attract Shion's mother's attention. Or maybe Shion just loves randomly screaming so much that everyone else just pays him no heed... either way, the intercom scenes reminded me a bit of Fractale's "technology puts distance between family members" theme, though to a much more realistic degree.

And what is it with futuristic anime utopias all using English on signs? This has bothered me ever since I saw Ergo Proxy way back when. Language aside, the city designs themselves looked pretty good.

[White Manju Bun]

Decent first epi, lots of questions so far. I liked the seiyuu's chosen for the two boys. Will keep watching for now.

[Solace]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

No, you must bow down and beg forgiveness for having an opinion. Forums are not places for discussions and opinions, they are sacred ohly grounds where you can only worship. The nonbelievers will be cast out .

Meh, I can see how what I originally said might have been taken as an aggressive stance. But I was more irritated that it appeared to be taken as some kind of "cover" for not liking BL, even though I made it a point to state otherwise.

There was no hidden meaning, and I didn't say the show was bad, I simply found the setting uninspired and most of the focus was on the two leads. It just didn't feel very "science fiction", although I suppose that point of view is contestable. I also made it a point to mention that if the show ends up being more than just the relationship between these two I'd take a second look. Orion says there's more sci-fi to come, I'll take his word for it.

There's only so much time and a number of interesting shows this season. Gotta be a little picky, at least initially.

[Hooves]

Something tells me things are going to spice up really quickly in the next episode with that short scene near the ending with Shion's mother saying "The Ministry of Peace?" while on the phone. Either way, it has a decent starting so far although I do take side with Solace on occasions about how generic this anime feels.

[Dextro]

Originally Posted by Hooves

Something tells me things are going to spice up really quickly in the next episode with that short scene near the ending with Shion's mother saying "The Ministry of Peace?" while on the phone. Either way, it has a decent starting so far although I do take side with Solace on occasions about how generic this anime feels.

Minipax, Miniplenty, Minitrue and Miniluv?

[marcosius]

An excellent plot and a very nice animation. I really hope that the BL be reduced to a minimum. Anyway, I suspect Shion are not interested in that kind of relationships due his attitude when the girl kisses him, but it can also mean something else ???

[Hooves]

Originally Posted by Dextro

Minipax, Miniplenty, Minitrue and Miniluv?

Me can't composate the meaning of this message

[vaden]

They're the Newspeak names of the Ministries from 1984:

Minipax is the Ministry of Peace, which specializes in war.
Miniplenty is the Ministry of Plenty, which specializes in rationing.
Minitrue is the Ministry of Truth, which specializes in propaganda.
Miniluv is the Ministry of Love, which specializes in torture.

[Hooves]

That explains why I don't know about them. Thanks for the info vaden

[Dextro]

Originally Posted by Hooves

That explains why I don't know about them. Thanks for the info vaden

Hehe, sorry about that. When you said "Ministry of Peace" I couldn't help it but remember 1984

[orion]

Originally Posted by Solace

In regards to the escape, actually yes I did want some explanation on that particular thing. He's bleeding heavily and cornered. Would it have hurt to show how he got out of that? It doesn't have to be fancy, maybe he realized he could slip through one of the bars. But showing him facing a dead end and then showing him on the run later is a bit jarring. It certainly didn't seem like a moment of foreshadowing (flashback of how he escaped, using it later to get back in). How did he escape....sea turtles?

I too would like to know how he escaped a dead end blocked by bars.

[Hooves]

Originally Posted by Dextro

Hehe, sorry about that. When you said "Ministry of Peace" I couldn't help it but remember 1984

No worries, I learned something in the aftermath

Also a theory about how he escaped the bars (although it's vague). The skills that he demonstrated could have possibly helped him when he could have taken them by surprise? Just throwing something out.

[Fabelyn]

Originally Posted by Solace

In regards to the escape, actually yes I did want some explanation on that particular thing. He's bleeding heavily and cornered. Would it have hurt to show how he got out of that? It doesn't have to be fancy, maybe he realized he could slip through one of the bars. But showing him facing a dead end and then showing him on the run later is a bit jarring. It certainly didn't seem like a moment of foreshadowing (flashback of how he escaped, using it later to get back in). How did he escape....sea turtles?

Originally Posted by orion

I too would like to know how he escaped a dead end blocked by bars.

Originally Posted by Hooves

No worries, I learned something in the aftermath

Also a theory about how he escaped the bars (although it's vague). The skills that he demonstrated could have possibly helped him when he could have taken them by surprise? Just throwing something out.

I checked the novel, and it looks like the bars are an anime original adition. So I'll just go ahead and assume Nezumi either doubled back, took out one or two guys and found another exit or found a hole he managed to crawl through.