2013-05-11, 18:49 | Link #102 |
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Regarding the picture on Page 8 ([cut]), of Naruto with all the Bijuu behind him.
1. What's that symbolize? Does Naruto have power from all of those Bijuu somehow? 2. That's the 7 tailed in the bottom left right? It looks a lot like Madara's Susanoo to me for some reason Last edited by james0246; 2013-05-11 at 21:42. Reason: please do not list resources that provide/distribute licensed materials... |
2013-05-11, 18:55 | Link #103 | |
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so all that said, in a world where chakra is what matters, it should bridge that gap. just look at sakura and tsunade. they are 2 of the most powerful characters because of their chakra control. the reason female characters in naruto generally suck is because kishi doesn't know how to write women (he also might just not care and i think he does harbor some slight misogynistic tendencies with lines like kurenai's father telling her she's only good for making babies, etc...) |
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2013-05-11, 20:34 | Link #104 | |
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Nobody disagreed that men are stronger on average than women because of difference in muscles makeup, level of testosterone, etc. Sasukemaru was making a fool of himself because he said it wasn't a question of average and that the strongest woman has no chance against even an average man apparently because of her vagina. The inanity of the statement is such that there was no need to comment further on it. That being said those real differences do not explain the fictional difference in power between men and women in the story. All those reasons are completely irrelevant in an universe where a little woman like Tsunade is physically more powerful than a bodybuilder like the Raikage, where chakra can be stored in body fat and where a slim 16 years old Chippendale like Sasuke has more chakra than 10 men put together. They are not athletes, they are wizards. The reason females don't hold a candle to their males counterparts is merely because this is a shounen manga aimed at boys written by someone who by his own admission has much difficulty writing about girls. |
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2013-05-12, 04:19 | Link #105 | |
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And what both extremes? As far as I can see, he's the only one on the extreme. As Hunter said, no one's arguing on your average male and female - although even then, you cannot make a blanket statement like that. As you yourself noted, physical capabilities count for shit in Naruto, most of the time. So, inferring that physical superiority in real world would translate to combat superiority in Naruto-verse and calling it a "fact" is bullshitting to the extreme.
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2013-05-12, 12:48 | Link #106 | |
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Well Shikaku wasn't there but it's probably an oversight from the author. |
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2013-05-12, 12:54 | Link #107 |
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umm... everyone who responded to sasukemaru. name one person who acknowledged it... everyone skirted around that fact out of political correctness and focused on his ridiculous comment about trained women losing to average men which in my post i said was flat out wrong
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2013-05-12, 14:00 | Link #108 | |
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edit: Better yet, let's both drop this ridiculous "who-said-what" discussion and focus on whether those physical differences should have any effect in the Naruto universe if we are to further pursue this subject. Last edited by Hunter; 2013-05-12 at 14:13. |
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2013-05-12, 14:16 | Link #109 |
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Thinking about it, The Rin Bomb was actually a fairly decent surprise attack, but it didn't have much long-term strategy. After the Mizu-nin had killed Kakashi, they'd rough Rin up and leave her at Konoha's doorstep. Minato would then try and save his students life, resulting in the Rin Bomb being brought back to Konoha. Once she was awake, the chances of her explosion would be great, and considering her emotional state they would be even greater. Still, using a Bijuu in such a way is a very short-term solution. Beyond the fact that Konoha, as a/the major village, would have ways of combating a Bijuu, it's entirely likely that Konoha would seize control of the Bijuu, resulting in a overall net gain for Konoha, even if the surprise attack managed to kill quite a few Leaf-nin. And since the Sanbi was known, Konoha would know where to attack first. As I said, it's a good surprise attack, but there is no real follow-through, and the likelihood of Konoha rising from the ashes is too great.
Personally, I still think Madara was behind the entire encounter. But, I doubt Obito would care one way or another any longer. It's somewhat nice to know how divorced from reality he actually is... |
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It would have been a better plan if Rin had been maintained unconscious during the process so she wouldn't know anything about it and the added fact that the Mist village army would be on standby to attack Konoha by surprise as the Sanbi went wild.
As it is, the only thing she had to do was stay away from Konoha and let Kakashi finds help so if things went wrong the village wouldn't be in danger. |
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2013-05-12, 15:05 | Link #112 | |
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i think madara was behind it as well. that's the only way it makes sense for him to send obito at the perfect time to gain MS and for him to have been sure obito would return to him. i do however think it will matter to obito when he finds out. obito (although not a great character) is a sympathetic one. he was once good and is now twisted by evil and misfortune. i can't see him not being redeemed in some way. and the only way for him to be slightly redeemed is for him to turn on madara which i can only see him doing if he learns the truth about rin |
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2013-05-13, 10:39 | Link #113 | |
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There are differences in the abilities of men and women, sometimes its huge and sometimes it's really close, and in some rare cases women actually do better. Remember the 16 year Old female Chinese Swimmer who had a better time than Ryan Lochte. On the flip side, I have seen a profession female boxer who almost got knocked out by a chubby guy with 0 boxing experience (probably due to weight difference). While the examples above are isolated incidences, My experience is that women are better in some sports/exercise than others. Women are good runners, good at sit-ups, bad at push ups, and terrible at weight lifting, even with intense training. With that said I am one who believes nurture trumps nature, so with the right environment I think a woman can be just as good or better than a guy at anything
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We really need to stop this discussion, It's just getting derivative and so off-topic as to be hilariously silly.
[cut...since the joke on the inanity of the discussion didn't land...] Whatever the case, please cease all discussion of this topic in this thread/sub-forum. If you want to talk about sexism in Japan or simply in Naruto please find a more appropriate thread. Last edited by james0246; 2013-05-13 at 12:27. |
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So, are we even sure that they really put the Sanbi into Rin? Isn't it supposed to be really hard to contain a tailed beast at all, yet as far as we know she wasn't anything special in terms of strength (like Bee) or chakra?
Assuming Madara really was behind it, could they not have tricked her into thinking she was a bomb, causing her to sacrifice herself like she did? It would surely explain all the "stupid mist plan" complaints. |
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2013-05-13, 13:32 | Link #119 | |
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Then again, we still run into the problem of timelines, considering we do not know how old Yagura was nor when he became a Jinchuuriki for the Sanbi. (We also still don't know how Obito fits into Yagura's timeline.) As an aside, I do like that the first Bijuu Tobi fights is the Sanbi. Undoubtedly, Kishimoto chose the Sanbi once again purely because of that former connection (i.e. Tobi captured the Sanbi ages ago, so Kishimoto decided to use the same Bijuu again for the Rin story). |
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2013-05-13, 22:40 | Link #120 | |
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And TObito was able to seal the bijuu into the jinchuuriki alone... then back into the statue alone... 6 separate times, while it took the rest of the Akatsuki days together to seal them into the statue? I'm not saying you're wrong, because i remember that now, but it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. |
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