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Old 2017-04-10, 02:21   Link #861
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Actually it looks like we are heading for an arc where Akko is really going to be under Croix's influence.
That's how it looks like, but I want to leave my opinion here that I don't think that's gonna happen.

I think if Akko has to choose between Ursula and Croix, she would choose Ursula no matter how cool Croix is. Ursula was the only teacher who always stood up for her, and Akko's not the kind of person who forgets that sort of thing.
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Old 2017-04-10, 02:23   Link #862
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So the union should have just been grateful for the scraps they're given because the strike would cause problems for the school, then?

Diana's point was easy for her to say, since she doesn't need to worry about just barely getting by. The fairies shouldn't have to be slaves because the only other outcome is death.
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The proper way to go about the situation is having a chance to speak with the school's authorities to find some compromise, like Akko tries to do in a following scene. Diana was just trying to manipulate them into stopping the strike before they could get anything. That was convenient for her and the school, but didn't do anything for the workers.
Possibly the only sane thing the faeries could have done would have been to organize and then request negotiations while continuing to work. Shutting down school operations when it's already on the brink of collapse is just asking for that collapse to happen. Diana made no allusions to the "justness" of the situation or either party's position. She was talking down at the faeries because they did something very stupid and probably suicidal; that makes her a poor negotiator (since Akko was easily able to sway them back via emotionally charged class warfare rhetoric,) but it does not make her wrong.
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Old 2017-04-10, 02:30   Link #863
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Possibly the only sane thing the faeries could have done would have been to organize and then request negotiations while continuing to work.
It was made pretty clear the witches would never have taken them seriously if they didn't do the strike.

Diana's wrong because she just wants what's convenient for the school. The fairies literally need the magic power to live. For the witches it's just a convenient tool, yet they hog most of it. She's also wrong that the school would be in any actual danger just because the witches don't have clean panties and hot baths for a few days. They can deal.
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Old 2017-04-10, 02:40   Link #864
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Possibly the only sane thing the faeries could have done would have been to organize and then request negotiations while continuing to work.
Considering how traditional and status quo focused the faculty are, do you really think they'd have taken the fairies seriously unless they made it clear they were being totally serious?

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Shutting down school operations when it's already on the brink of collapse is just asking for that collapse to happen.
The school is not going to die in one or two days. Making it clear they're not joking around is the best way to start negotiations in this case.

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Diana made no allusions to the "justness" of the situation or either party's position. She was talking down at the faeries because they did something very stupid and probably suicidal; that makes her a poor negotiator (since Akko was easily able to sway them back via emotionally charged class warfare rhetoric,) but it does not make her wrong.
Diana's point about what would happen if the school shuts down was right, but her request that they just go back to work because of that ignores the problems they're having, so from the perspective of their desired outcome, she was wrong.
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Old 2017-04-10, 03:38   Link #865
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Possibly the only sane thing the faeries could have done would have been to organize and then request negotiations while continuing to work. Shutting down school operations when it's already on the brink of collapse is just asking for that collapse to happen. Diana made no allusions to the "justness" of the situation or either party's position. She was talking down at the faeries because they did something very stupid and probably suicidal; that makes her a poor negotiator (since Akko was easily able to sway them back via emotionally charged class warfare rhetoric,) but it does not make her wrong.
The teachers wouldn't take them seriously if they kept working. What they should have done is maintain their strike, but not use the limiters that prevented the witches from using magic. Yes that's what they did at first and teachers tried to deny them, but they only tried it for about a day... they should have kept up that method for a longer time before resorting to more drastic measures

Without the limiters the teachers would still be able to keep their classes going, but without the working faeries life would still become far less comfortable. Without them doing all the labor, the work would either go undone or the students would have to pick up the slack and they would complain... The school continues to function fro the most part, but it becomes uncomfortable and problematic enough that the teachers will need to take the strike seriously.
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Old 2017-04-10, 03:57   Link #866
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Obviously the whole situation was engineered by Croix
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Old 2017-04-10, 03:58   Link #867
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So Croix is planning something sinister. Looks like she's seeking to take over the school and whatever magic remains.

Croix and Ursula/Chariot is basically a modern "magic" (i.e. Technology) vs traditional magic. But, really, if witches use modern tech then I can't really say they're witches anymore. There's nothing special about them anymore since anyone and everyone uses tech.

I wonder why Croix seems to be targeting Akko? Or is it merely a coincidence?

I'm curious as to what kind of rivalry Chariot had with Croix, and whether Croix will see through Chariot's current disguise.

But, seriously, does Luna Nova even have the finances to be hiring a new professor right now?
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Old 2017-04-10, 05:01   Link #868
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What Diana did was bringing solid argument. Yes it was only one side of it, but plain true regardless. Point is if argument is reasonable there is already room for discussion.

Which was instantly sunk by Akko's multiple ad hominem attacks including straight down lie about her living standard. Traditionalistic teachers certainly wouldn't be willing, but Diana wasn't there on behalf of teachers in first place and she would be much more valuable go-between than Akko, who (as usually) while being well intentioned, seriously lack in execution.
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Old 2017-04-10, 05:08   Link #869
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What Diana did was bringing solid argument. Yes it was only one side of it, but plain true regardless. Point is if argument is reasonable there is already room for discussion.
That wasn't a proper argument. The school wasn't gonna close down just for a few days without magic. In the end, she was just trying to scare them into giving up without gaining anything.

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Which was instantly sunk by Akko's multiple ad hominem attacks including straight down lie about her living standard.
It was all true though. Diana has never shown to be willing to see things from other people's perspective. And her room is a freaking palace in comparison to Akko's room, which I assume is the average.
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Old 2017-04-10, 05:18   Link #870
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In first place Diana room consist of bed. Book shelf and writing desk. Remaining 90% percent is occupied by hers roommates. Yeah still better than Akko, but not that much.

What more, in this very episode was shown she can acknowledge other points even if it doesn't sit well with her original impressions. So that point is moot too.
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Old 2017-04-10, 05:31   Link #871
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What Diana did was bringing solid argument. Yes it was only one side of it, but plain true regardless. Point is if argument is reasonable there is already room for discussion.
Problem is that diana didn't want a discussion, she just wanted the Faeries to to simply accept what they have under the rational that it was better than having nothing which is what would have happened if the school shut down; she wanted them to simply end the strike and get back to work. Really its like telling someone who works 60 hours a week for minimum wage that what they have is better than starving in the street; ya is technically correct but that doesn't make it fair or right. The faeries had no opposition to working, heck their demands didn't even include doing less work, all they wanted was some more magic. THAT's the discussion that the faeries wanted to have

really a more practical way of dealing with the situation would have been to look over the school's magic usage and see if there is any place they can make cuts. Maybe there are some classes or extracurriculars that they can cut, or maybe they can set up some new rules to ration the general use of magic like no flying after 5 pm.
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Old 2017-04-10, 05:53   Link #872
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Doesn't matter whether she wanted discussion, by bringing reasonable argument room for discussion opened regardless.

Knowing her, she would probably look into matter once whole mess settle down regardless.
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Old 2017-04-10, 05:53   Link #873
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In first place Diana room consist of bed. Book shelf and writing desk. Remaining 90% percent is occupied by hers roommates. Yeah still better than Akko, but not that much.
It's still her room. And most likely given to her due to her family.

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What more, in this very episode was shown she can acknowledge other points even if it doesn't sit well with her original impressions. So that point is moot too.
She's just starting to change. This is barely the beginning of her character arc. And she started to change only because Akko showed her up, proving a lot of her preconceptions wrong. Yet, in this episode she already wants to brush what she learned off just because things don't go her way. Like I said, this is barely the starting point for her. She has a lot of growing up to do.

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Doesn't matter whether she wanted discussion, by bringing reasonable argument room for discussion opened regardless.
She just wanted them to go back to work and forget the whole thing. She wasn't even subtle about it.
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Old 2017-04-10, 05:55   Link #874
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So it seems that TOHO Animation just uploaded both openings and endings creditless on their YouTube channel. Not sure how interesting this would be to anyone else, but I found it neat.
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And on the topic of said openings and endings, not really crazy about the new opening song as it is a bit high-pitched for my tastes, though I do like how the animation actually has a bit more going on now other than characters just... staring into space. (Some actual backgrounds would be nice though.) Honestly, when I first saw the first OP at the end of episode 1, I wasn't sure if that even was supposed to be the opening because it felt more like an ending theme. Ending theme is nice, has some pretty nice visuals accompanying it and a fairly alright song though it's not quite as feel-good as the last one.
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Old 2017-04-10, 06:40   Link #875
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It's still her room. And most likely given to her due to her family.



She's just starting to change. This is barely the beginning of her character arc. And she started to change only because Akko showed her up, proving a lot of her preconceptions wrong. Yet, in this episode she already wants to brush what she learned off just because things don't go her way. Like I said, this is barely the starting point for her. She has a lot of growing up to do.



She just wanted them to go back to work and forget the whole thing. She wasn't even subtle about it.
Doesn't matter how you spin it, " having huge room for herself" and "living as royalty" are still false claims.

And Diana isn't really changing, her opinion regarding Akko does (depending how much she screw around) but her mindset and attitude remain consistent from beginning. Aside of previous episode ooc outburst that is (which might have some follow up later).

And yes she wanted fairies to return to work, there was no indication whether she intended just forget whole deal or not.
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Old 2017-04-10, 09:01   Link #876
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Seems that Akko and Diana's rivalry are reaching new levels now. Really curious to see how far this is going.

Even though I don't like Croix that much, she is quite a crafty individual. I'm still wondering what her endgame is in her plans but likely something sinister. I'm guessing Urusla may step in sometimes to stop her as she even noticed that Croix began talking to Akko.

Regarding the new OP song, I like it slightly better than the first half.
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Old 2017-04-10, 10:00   Link #877
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Doesn't matter how you spin it, " having huge room for herself" and "living as royalty" are still false claims.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this. When I saw her room in episode 12, my own reaction was that she was living in a palace in comparison to Akko's room. Akko just put my own thoughts into words, so I can't see her claim as false at all.

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And yes she wanted fairies to return to work, there was no indication whether she intended just forget whole deal or not.
The issue is that there's no indication that she wanted anything else. That's what undermines her whole argument. Which is not much of an argument to begin with anyway.
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Old 2017-04-10, 10:46   Link #878
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Old 2017-04-10, 11:48   Link #879
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Looks like Croix is plotting something for sure. It seems that Ursula and Croix had a long history of rivalry based on the OP and flashbacks we've seen. Akko is going to get swayed easyly by Croix, and I feared that she might changed her view on how magic can be implemented. Let's see how the next arc turns out to be.

Lol on Hannah and Barbara at the shower scene. I wished these girls had a bit more screen time, and see how truly they are when they are by themselves with Diana.
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Old 2017-04-10, 11:55   Link #880
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Welp, we found ourselves an antagonist. I'm not sure what Croix's intentions are exactly, but she sure used some underhanded means to get what she wants in this episode. I hope Ursula will have her talk with Akko soon, because Akko getting closer to Croix could throw a wrench in everything.
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