2011-01-01, 05:28 | Link #21001 | ||
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He talked big about what mysteries should be like, focusing on the whydunit, which is fine. Mysteries can't ignore the heart. That's true. But you know what? They also can't ignore the soul and the body, yet Ryuukishi did. The who was just thrown in without much thought, and the how is not so much as mentioned. It works fine as a story, but he doesn't have the right to make lectures about what a mystery should be like when he outright ignores the soul and the body of a mystery. I can confidently say that Umineko is a bad mystery. It's a good story, if a bit of a letdown, but definitely not a mystery. Quote:
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2011-01-01, 05:40 | Link #21002 |
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To be honest the mystery (LOL) part of Umineko is solvable.
The thing is none of that mattered at all. It was all in crazy old guy's head. Over half of the characters are fiction inside fiction inside fiction. Rest are fiction inside fiction. This ending is really disappointing. |
2011-01-01, 05:56 | Link #21004 | |
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2011-01-01, 06:05 | Link #21006 |
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Alright, I've finished as well, I can confirm a few things here.
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Ah, I seemed to have a lot to say, but now I can't remember... Anyway, the episode IS actually quite good, we just aren't spoon-fed. As far as motive goes, to me, it's not just greed, just like everything you have to take another look and figure it out for yourself. I thought it was them Spoiler for :
I should have gone to bed three hours ago, so I'm going to head off now, but maybe I'll do a summary or some such when I get home? I can see if I can manage to get my 'motivation for murder' theory down, it's one of those things that makes total sense in your head, but doesn't seem to come out right in words? XD |
2011-01-01, 06:21 | Link #21008 | |
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In a way, we're still an extension of the characters' mindsets. So even then R07 is fucking with our minds. Goddammit get out of my head urgggggggh;lasdjaisdhakjdnmcnzdufse
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2011-01-01, 06:25 | Link #21010 | |
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And no EP8 isn't terrible, it's actually really good. Except the ending and final answers. Not final answers to the murders, but the whole Umineko universe. |
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2011-01-01, 06:34 | Link #21011 |
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I had the chance to read the prologue from a livestream, from what spoilers I've seen, I'm really quite worried about this episode now. For people who have finished the thing:
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I'd appreciate a non-spoilerific answer (answer "yes" or "no" if possible, otherwise elaborate just a little). If the answer to the second and third questions is false, this would be, in my eyes, a damning episode for the series. Also, there was supposed to be a "Tsubasa" disc released with EP8. Does it contain only TIPs we've already read, or does it actually answer any questions? Last edited by witchfan; 2011-01-01 at 06:51. |
2011-01-01, 06:50 | Link #21012 | |||
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I wanted to play the game itself before wrtting anything and then replay the whole series to see how everything ties into each other, but
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But, to quote Alan Moore These are imaginary stories, but aren't they all? Ever since Episode 6 came along, and the whole Author Avatar came into play, I was prepared to have all the metaworld, supernatural/magical elements hand waved as being fictional, at least to matters relating to Umineko itself. I'm willing to accept that conclusion because, despite them being fictional, Umineko itself is a fictional work. It really doesn't matter if it's fiction within fiction, that world still got developments and focus, characters and their backgrounds, and hell they each had their moments to shine and made us care about them. It doesn't really matter if the book within the book you're reading isn't really if you end up enjoying it, right? They're both about fictional characters experiencing fictional events. So I don't really mind that aspect tbh, I'm just concerned on how it's all been executed. But I can't say anymore unless I lay the game first ofc. Quote:
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2011-01-01, 07:25 | Link #21016 | |
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Anyways none of us has completed the story in English yet, and I still believe that the whole Yasu thing must have some significance in the event. If not, all we learn about Beatrice would be kind of pointless. But whatever the ending would be, whatever Ryukishi would pull out at the end, being his reader for so long, I would still say that he's the kind of writer I like: He has ambition for his story. He could create a universe, and suck us inside it like water to sand. Whether he actually could do it or not, I will still respect him. And Umineko as a whole still shows his ability as a creative writer, and I believe that man would go further in the future. At least I think that respect is my bit of love for him as a reader Sorry for the bad English. |
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2011-01-01, 07:39 | Link #21017 |
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2011-01-01, 07:49 | Link #21019 | |
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However, many of us...well...how should I say... didn't really care much about Ange. |
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2011-01-01, 07:53 | Link #21020 |
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Its a crack ending from a hack writer. It could have been better if RK was a better writer but he's proven now that he just cant write compelling endings without messing something up. He's great during the mystery parts of the stories but everything falls apart during the answers.
I really cant accept this ending, which by episode 4 everyone would have thought it to be a joke. I have no more love left for RK, I'll read he's story, maybe, if they are compelling. But I wont theorize anything about them, I'll just read them once they are all finished and save myself the wasted time. |
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