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View Poll Results: Hanasaku Iroha - Episode 19 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 5 | 9.80% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 13 | 25.49% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 14 | 27.45% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 17.65% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 8 | 15.69% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 3.92% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 51. You may not vote on this poll |
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2011-08-07, 23:15 | Link #41 | |
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This is a school event, Reck. It's not a job interview. It's not an attempt to win a spot on American Idol. It's just a school event. The main goal is to have fun. And letting people do things that please other classmates that they have crushes on, or close friendships with, is part and parcel of having fun. It still needs to have some structure to it, of course, but where's the harm in letting omelet girl make her omelet rice? Omelet rice girl's reaction and complaint was perfectly reasonable. Minko is taking this far too seriously.
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2011-08-07, 23:26 | Link #42 | |
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And Minko? Minko wasn't helping by being so inflexible, so this is a collective fail on both sides of the equation.
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2011-08-07, 23:32 | Link #44 | |
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It's just that this is such a small thing to risk a flat-out mutiny over, which is what Minko pretty much has on her hands now.
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2011-08-07, 23:38 | Link #45 | |
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This is not a new thing; I think the show actively goes out of its way to make its characters look bad. It seems to have this obsession with making people behave as irrationally as possible and thus nobody can get along; effectively this is an engineered conflict that is haphazardly welded into the story. But I will not dismiss it right away; they can cash in easily by just letting Minko compromise in the next episode. Next episode, however, is the make or break point; in my eyes, this is their last chance.
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2011-08-07, 23:55 | Link #46 | |||||
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As to some of the other complaints mentioned... well, I've long thought of this as a drama/slice of life hybrid (I might use "soap opera for anime fans" if not for soap opera generally having a very negative connotation), so I've been expecting a number of episodes to focus on fleshing out the people Ohana works with all along. And actually, I've usually been able to see the transitions between drama and SoL coming a few episodes in advance. (As to one of your later posts, even considering our disagreement over episode 7 and a few others, I wouldn't consider 1-2 and 9-11 the only strong episodes of the show. I thought 12-13 was better than 9-11.) Quote:
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This is not a new thing; I think the show actively goes out of its way to make its characters look bad. It seems to have this obsession with making people behave as irrationally as possible and thus nobody can get along; effectively this is an engineered conflict that is haphazardly welded into the story. Quote:
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2011-08-08, 00:10 | Link #47 | |
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I have nothing against flawed characters as long as the show pauses for a bit to handle these flaws in a decent manner. My favorite animes are full of mentally unstable characters after all. I don't expect super seriousness either, but eh... it's really not ticking. Jinomaru's probaly the worst example, since they kinda botched his character to begin with, and there's nothing likable, interesting, or respectable about him, and this kinda trickles down to everyone else. Is it really too much to ask that people don't act 1/3 their age?
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2011-08-08, 00:11 | Link #48 |
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I can't remember a TT reference for weeks until today, and certainly not in this context. To chalk all the (justified, IMO) criticism of this show up to measuring it against TT is pretty inaccurate. Seems to me that most of the criticism HanaIro has received has been on its own merits.
The first thing I thought when this ep was over was that Okada probably hadn't written it, and indeed she didn't. Even if she's ultimately responsible for the overall plot in every episode, there's a pretty clear difference between the eps she writes (like last week) and those she doesn't. The humor is crisper and the interactions less awkward on her episodes, even if - as last week's was - they're basically disposable.
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2011-08-08, 00:48 | Link #50 | |
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----------------------------------- As for the general discussion of episode 19, this was rather infuriating. Once again, every male character in this episode has been portrayed as some kind of idiot, loser, retard etc. Here's some of top of my head: 1. The class president and all the male classmates going gaga for Yuina and Minko in regards to the idea of the "Princess cafe" and even giving them honorifics. 2. The homeroom teacher in the corner drooling and taking a nap, not giving a damn about what's happening (I actually thought this was funny however). 3. Tooru being tsundere about whether or not he's going to the culture festival 4. Ren being over-exaggeratedly startled when Nako mentioned something his eyebrow 5. Jiromaru and his usual silly ero-novel antics 6. Kou in a crossdressing maid-outfit in Ohana's dream (WTF is with this one seriously?) 7. The ""No boys allowed! No peeking either!" "But why? I wanna see! This makes us wanna peek even more" notice (*SIGH* /massive facepalm) The comedy in this episode was just stupid, exaggerated and of typical anime-fashion used in pretty much 90% of other slice of anime out there. The only male character that I see that actually isn't kinda pathetic is Beanman. It's not a cool story bro. And the drama with the omlet rice girl. Really? I like drama and all, but the premise for this was rather ridiculous. QQing about not being able to make an omlet rice for a boy you like. Grow some balls (or breasts in your case). Also, anyone noticing Ohana become more ditzy and airheaded in these last few eps? I'm noticing less and less bulldozer style Ohana which I loved from the first cour of the series. Argh... things are getting worse and worse. Luckily, at the very least Minko is starting to become a much more likable character these days. Heck, I would say Minko > Ohana these last few eps. |
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2011-08-08, 00:55 | Link #51 |
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@Gauradian Enzo:
I don't know if your post was directed at me or not, but the reason I (politely) brought up not using TT reference is because in past HanaIro threads when people used it, the admins also warned against it. My motives had nothing to do with being annoyed at criticizing this show by measuring it against TT. While I don't think it's against the rules to say a few things about another show, there was a post earlier that was comparing Minko to one of the characters in TT. To me, that fits the description of being inappropriate and off-topic for this very narrow thread. There are other places in this sub-forum to discuss that. As for this episode... I give Minko points for being a hard worker and dedicated, but she is just way too irritable and bad at dealing with people. I'm also scrathcing my head why she's considered one of the two princesses of that class. Are the guys trying to find a balance? Is cheerful and flity Yuina there to get there hopes and dreams up, and when they've had their fill, they let the icy Minko send their souls crashing down into the pits of hell??? |
2011-08-08, 00:59 | Link #52 | |
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This. Maybe it's a cultural thing and I just don't understand the subtlety and profundity of rice in an omelet with cutesy messages scribbled in ketchup, but I don't see why this girl can't just make him omuraisu on her own time and give it to him personally. Seems to me that she's just throwing a fit because Minko attracted effortlessly a guy she's known since elementary school yet still hasn't built the courage to actively pursue. That and projecting her anger at her own impotence towards someone else. |
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2011-08-08, 01:02 | Link #53 | |
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Also, I don't think its particularly uncommon for people to get worked up over that "one little thing". To me, this episode demonstrated a significant lack of people skills on Minko's part. If you must turn down a request like that, you do so in a way that at least makes the person in question feel like you're taking their concerns seriously. Minko's handling of it was just plain bad (and the actual source of most of the drama in that scene... like I mentioned, she handled it so badly I cringed).
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In fairness, the situation isn't entirely fair to Minko either. Her classmates are guilty of excessively applying a halo effect of sorts to Minko, thinking that just because she's hard-working and physically attractive that she's good at everything. Minko probably doesn't have the best personality for running something like this, and to her credit, she herself knows that but she was pretty much forced into it anyway. Quote:
My feelings here are similar to Archon's. Next episode will be very telling to me. If they handle Minko right, then I'll be more optimistic going into the final arc. Quote:
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It's a way for the girl to give out a "safe hint" romantically. Safe in that the guy might get it, and act on it, but it's not likely to result in a confirmed romantic rejection.
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2011-08-08, 02:06 | Link #55 | |
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2011-08-08, 02:45 | Link #56 |
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Well now, this is more like it. It has been a while since they've shown a decent episode. Ohana, Yuina, and Nako(with her upgraded personality or whatnot) were quite amusing as side characters =03. Even Jiroumaru amused me with his little part.
Minchi, on the other hand, was def a bitch at the end. Had she been like, say, Okami, who would sternly separate love and work, I'd find what she said acceptable. However, demeaning someone else about mixing love and work when that's exactly what you are doing by trying to make a menu Tohru would be proud of, makes her a hypocrite. It was, to put it frankly, a selfish, bitch move >=0[. |
2011-08-08, 03:05 | Link #57 | |
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I'm interested in what's going on in Nako's class. Namely, why no one showed up to help. She said they all agreed, but she seems melancholic when the subject is brought up. I'm actually suspecting that she enthusiastically pushed the idea while everyone else didn't necessarily care for it, which would be a rain on her new character change. |
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2011-08-08, 06:39 | Link #58 |
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I liked the girls humming the op song and beside that I'm not quite sure if there was anything I liked about this episode. If anything, it was watchable. The others said it already, and I'll say the omelet rice scene was pathetic. It seemed like the episode was wasting time with little side story than going forward with the story. A few references to the previous episodes were nice touch but they were not good enough to make this episode memorable. It's 7/10 from me.
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2011-08-08, 10:09 | Link #59 | |
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