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Morisato · 2006-02-01, 03:28

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Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

Actually, sometimes the English version is cut, but the original Japanese version is always uncut. If you have to choose, the Japanese verison is always more expensive, but sometimes the English verison is adulterated.

It isn't only because of the licensing company that the English versions are inferior. Sometimes the animation is improved and touched up when the DVD version is released, but sometimes the Japanese company insists on licensing the inferior TV version to keep Japanese fans from importing the cheaper English version.

The only times that a Japanese DVD is edited when the English DVD is not, is for hentai. Japanese censorship laws insist that they are not allowed to show certain things. They remove the censoring for English language release. But hardcore hentai is the only example I've ever heard of a Japanese DVD being censored.

What's the point of hentai and porno if they censor everything all the time?

Advent7 · 2006-02-01, 03:42

Could i just post a link to the site. It looks very legitimate to me I mean they also carry domestic dvds and they carry tons of titles.

NoSanninWa · 2006-02-01, 04:11

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Originally Posted by Morisato

What's the point of hentai and porno if they censor everything all the time?

I'll tell you what's really weird. Apparently some Japanese porno-maniacs like the digitization that covers the naughty bits. As a result, they prefer it to uncensored porno. I don't make this stuff up, I just report it.

I do wonder though, if they don't find real life girls arousing, since they lack digitization.

xris · 2006-02-01, 04:59

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Originally Posted by Advent7

Could i just post a link to the site. It looks very legitimate to me I mean they also carry domestic dvds and they carry tons of titles.

Please do not post a link to the site, we object to having such sites advertised (for whatever reason). And yes, a lot of such sites look "legimate" but they still sell illegal bootlegs.

I suggest you have a read of the The generic "Is this a bootleg" thread.

BTW, this thread will most likely be merged with the above thread soon since it's 99.9% certain that we are talking about a bootleg.

And if you are going to buy an illegal bootleg, then you really are being ripped off if they charge $48.95! Even for a three disc package.

Advent7 · 2006-02-01, 16:44

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Originally Posted by xris

And if you are going to buy an illegal bootleg, then you really are being ripped off if they charge $48.95! Even for a three disc package.

Actually it's $45 for season 1 and fumoffu but i won't buy it. I read the "Bootleg thread" maybe i missed it but how come they can sell this stuff without getting sued. Not to be picky about how you worded your sentence but you said illegal bootleg, can there even be a legal bootleg? Anyways thanks for your help. i wish they weren't allowed to sell this stuff it throws people off. I always thought that american anime is more expensive but I guess not. Actually when I went to Japan i realized that some complete collections were at a reasonable price.

NoSanninWa · 2006-02-01, 18:08

They can sell this without being sued because Hong Kong did not sign the Berne Convention. That means they are immune to international copyright law.

Advent7 · 2006-02-01, 18:12

So Hong Kong is making these bootlegs, interesting... thanks for the info.

HanG-BuiK-ZwijN · 2006-02-14, 05:16

hmmm i was wondering something again

browsing trough some stuff on yesasia i came along this :

http://global.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept...id-1003950722/

it's not listed on www.nausicaa.net and the specs are at least suspicious

is someone able to confirm if this is legimate or not ?
(seen a well known one piece case with yesasia it's not impossible)

bayoab · 2006-02-14, 10:07

I looked around and the same company name has legally released a Nausicca VCD before, but apparently they also have released unlicensed things according to the Miyazaki mailing list. Therefore, I would guess that this is likely an unlicensed release based on the fact that there are only 3 discs (for 52 episodes). No other world wide release has fewer than 5 DVDs.

HanG-BuiK-ZwijN · 2006-02-14, 13:37

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Originally Posted by bayoab

I looked around and the same company name has legally released a Nausicca VCD before, but apparently they also have released unlicensed things according to the Miyazaki mailing list. Therefore, I would guess that this is likely an unlicensed release based on the fact that there are only 3 discs (for 52 episodes). No other world wide release has fewer than 5 DVDs.

these are movies not episodes or did i misread completely something ?

guyverfanboy · 2006-02-14, 13:39

YesAsia is a completely legitimate retailer. AnimeOnDVD wouldn't have a link to it on their forums otherwise.

xris · 2006-02-14, 14:32

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Originally Posted by HanG-BuiK-ZwijN

these are movies not episodes or did i misread completely something ?

There has been some misunderstanding.

Alps no Shoujo Heidi (Heidi: Girl of the Alps) is a 52 episode TV series from 1974 (from AniDB)
Heidi Theatical Version (Boxset) is a 3 DVD release running 280 minutes (from YesAsia)

I'm not sure how these two are linked.

I don't see anything on nausicaa.net about a 280 minute version (from nausicaa.net WMT). There only appears to be a 109 minute Movie and the 52 episode TV series listed.

HanG-BuiK-ZwijN · 2006-02-14, 14:42

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Originally Posted by guyverfanboy

YesAsia is a completely legitimate retailer. AnimeOnDVD wouldn't have a link to it on their forums otherwise.

1) the theatrical versions are edited tv series

2) yesasia has altough i can't find them atm those one piece bootleg dvds, read some pages back so that is what made me suspicious and posting here

as far as i can see until now i could assume it's legit, only nausicaa hasn't listed it yet

AnimePlus · 2006-02-14, 18:26

If you buy it off eBay it is definitely totally bootleg

HanG-BuiK-ZwijN · 2006-02-14, 18:31

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Originally Posted by AnimePlus

If you buy it off eBay it is definitely totally bootleg

it's not on ebay , i know ebay is full of disguisting bootlegs but it is something in the yesasia store : http://global.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept...id-1003950722/

as it seems i could give it a shot , altough i don't have to expect the best translation afcourse, maybe nausicaa will pick it up on their list

bayoab · 2006-02-14, 19:05

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Originally Posted by HanG-BuiK-ZwijN

it's not on ebay , i know ebay is full of disguisting bootlegs but it is something in the yesasia store : http://global.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept...id-1003950722/

as it seems i could give it a shot , altough i don't have to expect the best translation afcourse, maybe nausicaa will pick it up on their list

Maybe you should email Nausicaa and see what they say since they are basically the experts on all things Miyazaki.

And yea, about earlier, i got confused between the tv and the theatrical.

AnimePlus · 2006-02-14, 19:37

I went to China and saw some pretty convincing DVD compilations of all of Miyazaki's work (every single thing he has ever done) the way you know it's bootleg is if it costs like 10 bucks for like 50 DVDs.

Mr_Paper · 2006-02-14, 22:48

In this case, YesAsia is listing knock offs... >.>;

This is the actualy Theatrical version:
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=COBC-4213

This is the complete DVD list of the series:
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/Listups/ani...rent=0&step=20

And, this is the Nausicaa.net info page:
http://nausicaa.net/miyazaki/wmt/

However, the information on Nausicca.net is only partially correct. The series was created by Isao Takahata, Miyazaki only did continuity checks, and the World Masterpiece Theatre collection was not started by either of the two (Miyazaki or Takahata). It was started 5 years earlier with the series Moomin, directed by Oosumi Masa'aki. >.>;

HanG-BuiK-ZwijN · 2006-02-15, 04:50

hmmm i see three dvds released in 2003 and the same listed for this year with the same titels so it could be that the yesasia release of "those from 2003" (see cdjapan link from mr_Paper) are legit. i can't see the difference between those from 2003 vs those from 2006 the titles are the same so is the medium ther're on. (cdjapan link)

maybe the best option is to mail nausicaa to see what they have to see about them

atm i'll assume they are not legit until i know for SURE they are legit

Chiibi · 2006-02-15, 17:41

Time to add my two cents...

BOOTLEGS SUCK!

Do not buy them, even if you're desperate. Use the Bittorrent if you're desperate because even if it is wrong, you're not helping some crooks make money. You might get the whole series, yup, but you're getting crap. And it's not usually worth what you paid for it-oh no, not with ADV's godly new slim packs coming out at $30 for 13 eps. And you can get those without grammar mistakes, bad picture/sound and everyone's name spelled wrong or put in Chinese!

Or haven't I convinced you enough?

In that case, please have a look at Chiibi's past experience with the filthy things known as craplegs-er bootlegs

Gravitation TV (No, not mine, my stubborn friend's set. She likes getting ripped off apparently instead of spending $20 more to get Right Stuf's nice decent version-ignore bad dub)

The subtitles for the most part, do not make any sense.
They changed EVERYONE'S name to some stupid Chinese name. Yuki="Mr.Kwan"
WTF

Yu-Gi-Oh TV (Again, not mine)

The subtitles for the most part do not make any sense.
Blue Eyes White Dragon="Green Eyes White Dragon" -_-
Yugi="Game". YES, they translated his name! Although it is amusing to see the characters scream "GAME!!!!" a lot. I will admit to that.

The Slayers TV Season 1 (Yes, I bought this off ebay years ago when I was young and stupid)

Names were often misspelled.
Video was off sync with the sound in a few eps (THIS IS THE MOST ANNOYING THING EVER

)
Poor sound on some eps

Denshin Mamotte Shugogetten OVA

EVERY single freakin name was changed to some long-ass Chinese name (gag)
(No no, I have no qualms about the Chinese themselves. But if the characters have a Japanese name, by crap, it better STAY a Japanese name! The Chinese goddess names, of course stayed the same. =P)

Inuyasha TV (I have another friend who's an Inuyasha fanatic and he buys these bootcraps a lot. But he also buys the official releases. He wants all versions, he told me. Okay....

)

BAD GRAMMAR! BAD SENTENCES! Augh, we couldn't even follow some of the episodes-er he couldn't. Lucky, he had me with him, the Japanese language princess.

Kagome's name was changed to some freakish thing bs name like "Hali"

Sesshoumaru="The Killing Pill"

(a freakish translation of his kanji name)
The names of the Band of Seven were all changed.
Minor characters' names were changed.
The DVDs have glitches. They freeze, pixel up, or skip. Two eps were so bad that we never found out if Jakotsu molested our puppy boy in the cave or not.

That's it. I've shared my horrid memories with you. If you are STILL thinking it's a good idea to buy bootlegs, then THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR HEAD!

Thanks for reading my long-ass post if you took the time. XD

2006-02-01, 18:08	Link #326
NoSanninWa Weapon of Mass Discussion Fansubber Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New York, USA	They can sell this without being sued because Hong Kong did not sign the Berne Convention. That means they are immune to international copyright law. __________________ There's not that fine a line between willing suspension of disbelief and something just being stupid.

2006-02-14, 05:16	Link #328
HanG-BuiK-ZwijN Saizen's laziest Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Begind the computer Age: 42	hmmm i was wondering something again browsing trough some stuff on yesasia i came along this : http://global.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept...id-1003950722/ it's not listed on www.nausicaa.net and the specs are at least suspicious is someone able to confirm if this is legimate or not ? (seen a well known one piece case with yesasia it's not impossible) __________________ ... always spending to much on dvds ...

2006-02-15, 04:50	Link #339
HanG-BuiK-ZwijN Saizen's laziest Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Begind the computer Age: 42	hmmm i see three dvds released in 2003 and the same listed for this year with the same titels so it could be that the yesasia release of "those from 2003" (see cdjapan link from mr_Paper) are legit. i can't see the difference between those from 2003 vs those from 2006 the titles are the same so is the medium ther're on. (cdjapan link) maybe the best option is to mail nausicaa to see what they have to see about them atm i'll assume they are not legit until i know for SURE they are legit __________________ ... always spending to much on dvds ...

2006-02-15, 17:41	Link #340
Chiibi Vanitas owns you >:3 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: in a boring place you will not want to go to	Bootlegs? Time to add my two cents... BOOTLEGS SUCK! Do not buy them, even if you're desperate. Use the Bittorrent if you're desperate because even if it is wrong, you're not helping some crooks make money. You might get the whole series, yup, but you're getting crap. And it's not usually worth what you paid for it-oh no, not with ADV's godly new slim packs coming out at $30 for 13 eps. And you can get those without grammar mistakes, bad picture/sound and everyone's name spelled wrong or put in Chinese! Or haven't I convinced you enough? In that case, please have a look at Chiibi's past experience with the filthy things known as craplegs-er bootlegs Gravitation TV (No, not mine, my stubborn friend's set. She likes getting ripped off apparently instead of spending $20 more to get Right Stuf's nice decent version-ignore bad dub) The subtitles for the most part, do not make any sense. They changed EVERYONE'S name to some stupid Chinese name. Yuki="Mr.Kwan" WTF Yu-Gi-Oh TV (Again, not mine) The subtitles for the most part do not make any sense. Blue Eyes White Dragon="Green Eyes White Dragon" -_- Yugi="Game". YES, they translated his name! Although it is amusing to see the characters scream "GAME!!!!" a lot. I will admit to that. The Slayers TV Season 1 (Yes, I bought this off ebay years ago when I was young and stupid) Names were often misspelled. Video was off sync with the sound in a few eps (THIS IS THE MOST ANNOYING THING EVER ) Poor sound on some eps Denshin Mamotte Shugogetten OVA EVERY single freakin name was changed to some long-ass Chinese name (gag) (No no, I have no qualms about the Chinese themselves. But if the characters have a Japanese name, by crap, it better STAY a Japanese name! The Chinese goddess names, of course stayed the same. =P) Inuyasha TV (I have another friend who's an Inuyasha fanatic and he buys these bootcraps a lot. But he also buys the official releases. He wants all versions, he told me. Okay.... ) BAD GRAMMAR! BAD SENTENCES! Augh, we couldn't even follow some of the episodes-er he couldn't. Lucky, he had me with him, the Japanese language princess. Kagome's name was changed to some freakish thing bs name like "Hali" Sesshoumaru="The Killing Pill" (a freakish translation of his kanji name) The names of the Band of Seven were all changed. Minor characters' names were changed. The DVDs have glitches. They freeze, pixel up, or skip. Two eps were so bad that we never found out if Jakotsu molested our puppy boy in the cave or not. That's it. I've shared my horrid memories with you. If you are STILL thinking it's a good idea to buy bootlegs, then THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR HEAD! Thanks for reading my long-ass post if you took the time. XD __________________

2006-02-01, 03:42	Link #322
Advent7 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006	Could i just post a link to the site. It looks very legitimate to me I mean they also carry domestic dvds and they carry tons of titles.

2006-02-01, 18:12	Link #327
Advent7 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006	So Hong Kong is making these bootlegs, interesting... thanks for the info.

2006-02-14, 10:07	Link #329
bayoab Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	I looked around and the same company name has legally released a Nausicca VCD before, but apparently they also have released unlicensed things according to the Miyazaki mailing list. Therefore, I would guess that this is likely an unlicensed release based on the fact that there are only 3 discs (for 52 episodes). No other world wide release has fewer than 5 DVDs.

2006-02-14, 13:39	Link #331
guyverfanboy Member Join Date: Sep 2004	YesAsia is a completely legitimate retailer. AnimeOnDVD wouldn't have a link to it on their forums otherwise.

2006-02-14, 18:26	Link #334
AnimePlus Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 36	If you buy it off eBay it is definitely totally bootleg

2006-02-14, 19:37	Link #337
AnimePlus Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 36	I went to China and saw some pretty convincing DVD compilations of all of Miyazaki's work (every single thing he has ever done) the way you know it's bootleg is if it costs like 10 bucks for like 50 DVDs.

2006-02-14, 22:48	Link #338
Mr_Paper Hmm... Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Looking for his book...	In this case, YesAsia is listing knock offs... >.>; This is the actualy Theatrical version: http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=COBC-4213 This is the complete DVD list of the series: http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/Listups/ani...rent=0&step=20 And, this is the Nausicaa.net info page: http://nausicaa.net/miyazaki/wmt/ However, the information on Nausicca.net is only partially correct. The series was created by Isao Takahata, Miyazaki only did continuity checks, and the World Masterpiece Theatre collection was not started by either of the two (Miyazaki or Takahata). It was started 5 years earlier with the series Moomin, directed by Oosumi Masa'aki. >.>;