(CR) Qualidea Code

[haseo0408]

Originally Posted by Calca

The traditional anime fan I find naturally gravitates to the one who isn't the "main love interest". Look at re:zero for example with Rem.

Now the thing is with the characters who aren't the love interest, for some reason a lot of times they get a crap ton more development and focus than the one the author wants the MC to end up with. Hime had a ton of character development this episode while Canaria was nothing more than the generic beautiful childhood friend with no flaws who does nothing but smile. 95% of anyone who just watched this episode would pick Hime over Canaria, but it's hard to realize that it's not really fair to Canaria because she never really had a chance to even have an episode like Hime just had where her true character could really shine.

Part of me still thinks Canaria might be alive Because she was kill off before anything could be known about her, it was like her whole purpose in the story was to get killed to give some traumatic development to Ichiya so it seems really unfair.

Another reason why I suspect an incoming romance between Ichiya and Hime is because she wants to become someone he can rely on, giving his life new meaning. 99% of those situations delop in a romantic relationship between a boy and a girl.

[Triple_R]

The absolute worst thing Qualidea Code could have done, after the Episode 4 cliffhanger, was have Canaria pop back up alive and well in Episode 5. That would have been the real cheap drama - turning the cliffhanger itself into the cheapest and most cynical drama imaginable. Instead, that cliffhanger is about something that's actually going to have a strong effect on the characters and the narrative, at least for awhile.

I tip my hat to Qualidea Code's writers for at least avoiding the cheapest and most gutless option possible. The show does have issues, but it's decisions involving Canaria are not one of them, so far at least.

Now, other things I like - Maihime is a very fun and likeable character, and I love the dynamic between her and the show's other major characters.

The siblings continue to have very good verbal chemistry, and I like their deadpan wittiness and perceptiveness.


As for things I don't like - I agree with criticisms of "the secret of the world". I prefer mysteries that aren't so densely covered in fog. I very much disagree with the current trainwreck criticisms being applied to this show, but if Qualidea Code ever does go off the rails, it'll probably be due to its handling of the broader mystery vibe.

[wuhugm]

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^^Agree~

Originally Posted by Calca

The traditional anime fan I find naturally gravitates to the one who isn't the "main love interest". Look at re:zero for example with Rem.

Now the thing is with the characters who aren't the love interest, for some reason a lot of times they get a crap ton more development and focus than the one the author wants the MC to end up with. Hime had a ton of character development this episode while Canaria was nothing more than the generic beautiful childhood friend with no flaws who does nothing but smile. 95% of anyone who just watched this episode would pick Hime over Canaria, but it's hard to realize that it's not really fair to Canaria because she never really had a chance to even have an episode like Hime just had where her true character could really shine.

THIS! BASICALLY THIS!

Japanese main heroine most of the time, got shoved down viewers' throat so deep you just can't resist.

Also main heroine normally decided in the very beginning and the very embodiment of author's ideal. No need for development, she's the main heroine, and nothing can change that. That makes a superficially perfect heroine. Like Emilia.

Now, those heroines who come later, have more freedom to them simply because they are not main heroines. But no matter how much they developed, main heroine will still win in the end, and I hate that.

Canaria is the same. You just slap main heroine title to her and you're set. Of course this is on the assumption that Suza-kun is the main protagonist. But I think he is. He's fun and not some Hachiman knock off.

[haseo0408]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

The absolute worst thing Qualidea Code could have done, after the Episode 4 cliffhanger, was have Canaria pop back up alive and well in Episode 5. That would have been the real cheap drama - turning the cliffhanger itself into the cheapest and most cynical drama imaginable. Instead, that cliffhanger is about something that's actually going to have a strong effect on the characters and the narrative, at least for awhile.

I tip my hat to Qualidea Code's writers for at least avoiding the cheapest and most gutless option possible. The show does have issues, but it's decisions involving Canaria is not one of them, so far at least.

Now, other things I like - Maihime is a very fun and likeable character, and I love the dynamic between her and the show's other major characters.

The siblings continue to have very good verbal chemistry, and I like their deadpan wittiness and perceptiveness.


As for things I don't like - I agree with criticisms of "the secret of the world". I prefer mysteries that aren't so densely covered in fog. I very much disagree with the current trainwreck criticisms being applied to this show, but if Qualidea Code ever does go off the rails, it'll probably be due to its handling of the broader mystery vibe.

Maihime is the character closest to end up as Ichiya right now, she bottles up all her feelings and puts that cheerful facade, worse yet is the fact she´s been doing it since she was a very small child. as I said before, what comes down in the next episode is going to hit her hard no matter what. people like tend to snap and very badly.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by haseo0408

Maihime is the character closest to end up as Ichiya right now, she bottles up all her feelings and puts that cheerful facade, worse yet is the fact she´s been doing it since she was a very small child. as I said before, what comes down in the next episode is going to hit her hard no matter what. people like tend to snap and very badly.

If so, maybe that's fine.

This show, by all appearances so far, is basically a war narrative. In war, people die and people suffer.

It's nasty, it's brutal, but that's war. If an anime show doesn't have the guts to show characters in pain and sorrow, enduring personal loss, then I'd rather that anime not present a war narrative. I honestly think it's almost an insult to the actual horrors of war, and to the real life people who have died in war and/or suffered the lost of loved ones in war, to present a bloodless war narrative. If you're going to do a war narrative, then do it honestly and with respect to what war is all about.

Qualidea Code is doing that right now, and I respect the show for it.

I know it hurts to watch an anime character you like (seemingly) die, but there's plenty of other waifus in the ocean.

[Marcus H.]

^ You monster.

That said, if this is a war narrative, then Episode 4's latter part is a montage, or worse, a Powerpoint presentation.

[Random Wanderer]

Killing a main character is pretty much the ultimate red flag for me. A series that does it is pretty much guaranteed to be dropped.

[Kazu-kun]

Sometimes killing off a character works just fine, but in this case it's just for shock value and to force character development, and I personally think that's kinda cheap.

[wuhugm]

You can't have Hime without killing Canaria.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Sometimes killing off a character works just fine, but in this case it's just for shock value and to force character development, and I personally think that's kinda cheap.

I should amend my statement above: There are very very rare cases where the storyline has built it up properly, where the death itself is the culmination of a plot that was clearly written to have that death as its emotional; cathartic finale, where I can accept the death of a character without it turning me off to the series.

That obviously is not the case here. Thus, I am waiting for news, one way or another, of Canaria's condition. If she survived I will pick the series back up. If she did not, the series will have failed the test, and that's that.

Originally Posted by wuhugm

You can't have Hime without killing Canaria.

We already had her, and things were working fine.

[haseo0408]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

If so, maybe that's fine.

This show, by all appearances so far, is basically a war narrative. In war, people die and people suffer.

It's nasty, it's brutal, but that's war. If an anime show doesn't have the guts to show characters in pain and sorrow, enduring personal loss, then I'd rather that anime not present a war narrative. I honestly think it's almost an insult to the actual horrors of war, and to the real life people who have died in war and/or suffered the lost of loved ones in war, to present a bloodless war narrative. If you're going to do a war narrative, then do it honestly and with respect to what war is all about.

Qualidea Code is doing that right now, and I respect the show for it.

I know it hurts to watch an anime character you like (seemingly) die, but there's plenty of other waifus in the ocean.

Another thing that is becoming clear is the powers of those kids, power come with price, no exceptions, and it appears that the price of this powers is very high, most likely experimentation with Unknowns is the fundations of the World powers the kids are using. If that´s the case we can expect a horror different form that of war, because the way I see it those kids are being use as both weapons and guinea pigs.

[Nvis]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Killing a main character is pretty much the ultimate red flag for me. A series that does it is pretty much guaranteed to be dropped.

Agreed. And the hottest girl=death sentence, too......

[wuhugm]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

We already had her, and things were working fine.

Yea but not as a love interest of anybody...

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by wuhugm

Yea but not as a love interest of anybody...

And that was perfectly fine.

[haseo0408]

Considering how it was to take down the Unknowns in the first episode I didn´t see this coming but this story is getting pretty dark real fast. If anyone else dies in the next episode as I fear I think this story will stay in a very dark territory, nothing wrong with that though, a war story is not happy, cheerful one, unless the series is named Dog Days.

[wuhugm]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

And that was perfectly fine.

No it's not!
Best girl and no romantic development for her!? That's just like worthless cute girls doing cute things anime like K-ON... That's... That's shit...

[Random Wanderer]

Best girl and no romantic development for her!?

Romance isn't all there is to the universe.

Originally Posted by wuhugm

cute girls doing cute things anime

One of the best genre of anime in existence.

[Arya]

mmm, I have had missed the shipping subtexts since all this talking about it kinda comes from nowhere (but probably since I'm not taking trashkun in much consideration and because the setting regarding him seems quite set on Canaria regardless she is dead or not).
As much as for any other near future main demises.

About Canaria's death being cheap, well, I'll wait and see, at least this show was able to handle the aftermath better than the last two shows (out of three) I saw it happens. At least here the MC didn't have the plot bending to him yet, but instead they had to re-organize their forces to deal with it as much as for the characters that are trying to deal with trashkun.

[B214]

I'm gonna get many people shooting my comment for saying this.

Canaria and Maihime are pretty much the same type of character just in different setting and skills. Maihime has destructive while Canaria is useful in support. But that's all.

Both are airheads.
Both wants everyone to get along.
Both have considerable bust.
Both call people with nicknames.
etc.

They're literally like twins separated from birth. So anyone of those two dying isn't really such a big deal. Not that i believe they're dead.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by B214

I'm gonna get many people shooting my comment for saying this. Canaria and Maihime are pretty much the same type of character just in different setting and skills. Maihime has destructive while Canaria is useful in support. But that's all.

Both are airheads.
Both wants everyone to get along.
Both have considerable bust.
Both call people with nicknames.
etc.

While I get your comparison, there's at least two key differences:

1. Maihime's personality strikes me as far more forceful than Canaria's is.
2. Maihime is capable of displaying real, strong anger.

One of my issues with Canaria is that she struck me as kinda whiny and generally ineffectual at getting Ichiya to be a team-player. Not saying Maihime would have done any better in Canaria's shoes, but I find it refreshing to see Maihime get legitimately angry at Ichiya compared to Canaria just complain in this soft nagging sort of way.

Canaria is/was a good person, it seemed to me, but her interactions with Ichiya felt overly one-sided to me, in the sense that Ichiya's personality seemed to completely dominate over her. With Ichiya/Maihime I see a much more even dynamic, with Maihime willing to truly call him out on his BS and not just pout/sigh over it.