2011-03-24, 14:53 | Link #1262 |
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Okay, let me put that in another way.
Say you fight a martial artist who has trained his entire life. When the fight begins, you pull out a gun and off his kneecap. You'd certainly win by doing this, but no-one would appreciate it much. |
2011-03-24, 14:57 | Link #1263 |
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Heh and you claim guns are an anti martial arts technique. I assure you, missiles, shotguns and sniper rifles maybe, hand gun? not always. Martial artists are fast.
Basically its just an argument of tactics, but its been pointed out that this team is not the best team they could have put together.
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2011-03-24, 15:03 | Link #1264 |
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Sure, if you came for a good martial arts fight. Of course, the Hucks take a bit more of a "gloves-off" approach and have little interest in abiding by the rules of a structured martial arts competition. It's not the fight that makes them interesting; it's their motivations for fighting and relationships within themselves. So in that sense, I do appreciate them. You (and others) clearly don't. Ergo, we have ourselves 64 pages' worth of "rage at the Huckebein" in this thread and god only knows how many hundreds of pages in the thread before the split.
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2011-03-24, 15:06 | Link #1265 |
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So there are martial arts tournaments where they use firearms? Or to use a more apt comparison, magic tournaments where they employ AMF Generators?
I kind of resent the implication that I'm bitching about great characters here if I do. Because I'm not. |
2011-03-24, 15:23 | Link #1266 | ||
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Nanoha wins, but not in the easy way you implied before. Now she wasn't able to defeat Tohma(her new toys got destroyed one-by-one), and the only lasting damage the boy sustains is his divider's broked blade courtesy of Subaru. Quote:
*Tohma/Heroic Resolve: Failed against Veyron, despite managing to activate his armour Vyeron still beat the crap out of him. *Signum/Knight In Shinning Armour: FAIL, honor and justice doesen't mean a thing in front of a reacted Eclipse Driver. *Fate - Subaru - Erio/Let's get dangerous: Despite the new toys the Hucks fight them while giggling as usual. *Hayate/Heroic Second Wind: Turned into a simple "Hope Spot" by Curren xDU. *Nanoha/Super Prototype/Mid-Season Upgrade: While powerfull, the Fortress Mode didn't do a thing to Tohma and when the guy became serious it got reduced to a pile of scrap. In contrast there are various "Big Damn Heroes" moments pulled succesffully by the heroes, but their first real uhm "victory" came when the remaining heroes gang up on Tohma(and with Lily's reaction that wasn't even confirmed yet). So yeah, the only way of winning here is to fight dirty tactics with more dirty tactics.
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2011-03-24, 16:46 | Link #1268 | ||
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2011-03-24, 17:14 | Link #1269 | |
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Except they aren't more pwoerfull, just have a method of cancelling opposition powers and none of them has showed anything more impressive than the previous seasons yet(save for Curren and Deville). They pose a treath, and are very deathly with their Eclipse powers but combat-wise they apparently are not that great. If not for the anti-magic, by this point the main cast would be able to pull a "Roy Mustang" on at least one of them. Even on equal conditions the Wolkies posed a treath to team Nanoha, but because of the virus "rules" an equal condition here will be imposible, just we need to see how Section Six will break the setting to defeat the hucks in a cheap way.
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2011-03-24, 17:19 | Link #1270 |
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What? I LIKE dirty tactics. More stabbing the old wound and twist the knife, more dirt thrown in the eyes, more misinformation, bringing the good guys into a building stuffed with explosives, yay dirty tactics. "Honorable" samurai duels is going to make scratch heads when the organization have the pretense to be slightly military. That overuse of "honorable" one on one duels is kind of shit that is only going to bring up more wallbangers.
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2011-03-24, 17:25 | Link #1273 | ||
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A Chinese gourmet cook would want to slice the neck of the fool who says that xD.
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2011-03-24, 17:36 | Link #1275 | ||
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Would Signum's sword or giant Grahf Eisen break of Kamijou Touma punched them? *InB4AwakenedAcceleratorAnything* Quote:
. It reminds me of those UPS douche bags that always just leave my $100+ orders on the front door step with the box usually crushed. I don't need Signum delivering my ill gotten merchandise halfassedly. >.> |
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2011-03-24, 17:44 | Link #1276 | ||
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2011-03-24, 17:47 | Link #1277 |
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Actually, let me rephrase that. I suppose I have a different idea of dirty fighting. A surprising amount of kung fu consists of creative ways to hit your opponents in the nads, and even before I started studying that I was a student of the Angus MacGyver school of tactical improvisation. So what I see as dirty is largely things that are just plain unnecessary and uncalled for, I.E. stomping a downed opponent.
IMO, Curren's takedown of Hayate was on an absolute different side of the line from Deville attempting to decapitate Isis. Hey, I like Hayate as much as the next guy, but when somebody's hanging a giant weaponized iceberg over your home, that definitely counts as throwing the first punch. Moreover, Curren's attack wasn't even intended to kill Hayate. Curren's getting a surprising lot of flack when she's easily the most restrained of the lot. Frankly, I think too much of this discussion is more about fan-rage than anything else. . . And I said I wouldn't get dragged in. So much for that.
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2011-03-24, 17:55 | Link #1278 | |
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To be fair, i didn't complain that much about Curren's backstabing, combat-wise she looks pretty badass during the enterity of Ch. 13. It's her being such a spoiled brat what annoys me to no end, i'm started to figure out that the reason of why i like Deville that much is because he keeps his mouth shut, or at least avoids unnecessary dickery towards his opponent's.
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2011-03-24, 18:17 | Link #1279 | ||
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Despite what fiction may tell us, Samurai's (and European knights, and Arab Faris, and Turkish Sipahi's, etc etc etc) did use tactics (aside from some exceptions, which I must point out usually ended with the idiots being massacred), how else would they exploit their full advantage in battle? That duel thing was mostly ceremonial, to boost prestige and morale for the victor's side of the duel before battle, and it usually happened only when both sides has some times for chit-chat. Quote:
But TBH? Chivalry was a thing before armies have the firepower to do massive, widespread damage. The heroes in Nanoha could annihilate at least platoons! Having a bit of 'realism' injection is fine, but only if the characters reacts with a similarly 'real' reaction. Against these Hucks 'befriending' isn't exactly a pragmatic choice, but having the heroes shoot to kill would break character, wouldn't it? The blue uniforms are nice though. And The black Enforcer ones are sexy
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2011-03-24, 18:17 | Link #1280 |
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Yeah, the Hucks would actually be intimidating if they weren't, well, dicks. And just in a general douchebaggery sense, not being villainous about it. Makes them less 'implacable force' and more 'someone shut these guys up, for the love of god'
Aren't they already kind of shooting to kill? It's plasma bullets against unarmored foes. |
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