2007-03-14, 16:27 | Link #61 |
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Great stuff from rooboy. The term used in the Japanese on Video Research's site is a transliteration of "people meter," so I would be surprised if it was not exactly the same device as Nielsen uses. And the site does talk about measuring people as well as households, so I think people may log in in some way, too. So that would suggest that PVR'd shows are at least discounted in the ratings because an individual did not log in at the time they were on, or even not counted at all.
I didn't notice the VR site talking about ratings not equaling popularity, but for some reason it kept repeating that ratings do not equal quality. Duh. And I like Destinyblade's point that most people seem to like "reality" (spurious as it may often be) in their shows, and anime deals a lot in fantasy. In fact, I myself don't think anime does reality very well, although others differ. NANA is the best fairly realistic show I can think of. The gritty mystery/adventure shows tend to fall flat for me. (Moonlight Mile is shaping up as an exception, by the way.) And I also appreciate solomon's point that a lot of anime sticks in the otaku mold. I think SHnY and Simoun are great shows, but the first clearly uses a lot of otaku referents, and the second has yuri surface elements that put off a lot of anime-watchers, to say nothing of the general public.
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Part of the problem is that the times listed at Mahou didn't match up with the ratings data. Mahou reports Bartender running on Sundays at 1:45 am, but in the ratings data it appears at 26:25 on Saturday. It wasn't obvious to me what a time like 26:25 on Saturday means; is it 2:25 am on Saturday, or 2:25 am on Sunday? In either case, it wasn't listed at 25:45 which I presume is what 1:45 am would translate to in this (somewhat-wacky) time scheme. I really did try, but not having a reading knowlege of Japanese, and the fact that the sources didn't match, made this a more difficult task. Also the relationship between the network codes and the names of the networks isn't obvious either; for example, Fuji somehow becomes CX. According to Mahou, Saiunkoku Monogatari aired on Saturday mornings at 9:00 am (!) on NHK/BS2 beginning on April 8, 2006. Only one show is listed in that time slot in the ratings data, one that translates to "Super star fleet [seiza] X" according to Google, which was shown on channel "TX" and had ratings for weeks prior to 4/8/06. There are other entries for NHK shows, with the code "NHK," but not one for SaiMono, I guess. On ratings methods: Back in the early to mid-80's I worked on a foundation-sponsored project to develop an alternative to "head-count" ratings based on viewers' opinions about the show they were watching, and their behavior while it was on. This is probably what Nielsen means by "popularity" in the material rooboy cites. These so-called "qualitative" ratings are used in many other countries, including Japan, but never caught on in the US. It's use in Japan is probably a reason for the ratings != popularity refrain to which Kaoru Chujo refers. We could actually show that people were more likely to watch ads in programs to which they paid higher levels of attention, but advertisers weren't interested. Qualitative data on programs is still collected in the US by programmers, networks, and advertisers, but usually through broad surveys like roo suggests, not through a ratings instrument. What did become the standard for "qualitative" information in the US, if you can call it that, is better demographics, especially via the "people meter." Ratings were traditionally collected at the household level with meters attached to every TV in the household. People meters include separate buttons for each household member who are supposed to "log in" when they start viewing and "log out" when they leave. Obviously this procedure raises considerable questions about the accuracy of the data, since it depends on the active cooperation of the viewers in the sampled households. There were a number of efforts to develop "passive" people meters that somehow would be able to sense which people were present in the room without active cooperation, but they always seemed to founder on tasks like differentiating between small children and large dogs! Nowadays we could probably just embed RFID tags in each person and let the meters detect those. My guess, and it's only a guess, is that the numbers reported on the Geocities site are household figures and thus include DVR recordings as well as real humans. Making sure that ratings meters collect data from all viewing sources, including DVDs, games, etc., has been a high priority in the television research community for many years now. Has anyone seen comparable figures for shows that run in [adult swim] in the US? What does something like Inuyasha or FLCL draw?
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2007-03-14, 19:42 | Link #63 |
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At the toonzone forums, they list the ratings every week. Adult Swim themselves broadcast the top 3 in a bumper normallly sometime during the week.
Big draws like bleach normally pull about 300K When FMA was first running it pulled around 600K, then there was a large lull in it's run and huge dropoff in numbers Inu Yasha also pulled 600K very regularly, i think even around a million viewers sometimes (if i can recall correctly) In short though, adult swim anime is beaten out by it's comedy show ratings Family Guy and Boondocks used to EASILY pull 1 million viewers, the anime numbers have really leveled off. |
2007-03-14, 20:24 | Link #64 |
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Inukami, Wulong, Haruhi, Utawarerumono TV Audience Ratings on TV Aichi, Nagoya, Japan
I could not find television audience ratings for the Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu animated series in the Kantou (Tokyo, Yokohama, Kawasaki, etc.) and Kansai regions (Osaka, Kobe, Kyoto, etc.), as a whole, listed anywhere.
Someone last summer, however, did post on 2ch television audience ratings for four late night anime television series broadcasted on TV Aichi, Nagoya, Japan - including Suzumiya Haruhi. They reportedly got the data through the National Diet Library. TV Aichi 1.3 1.2 1.9 1.3 1.9 1.7 1.4 0.9 1.5 1.9 1.5 1.3 1.0 1.9 Inukami! 1.2 1.1 1.5 *.* 1.4 1.6 1.2 0.8 1.3 1.9 *.* 1.4 0.7 2.1 [Kakutou Bijin] Wulong (Fighting Beauty Wulong) 1.0 0.9 1.7 1.4 1.2 0.9 1.0 0.7 1.0 1.8 1.0 1.4 1.1 2.3 [Suzumiya] Haruhi [no Yuuutsu] (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya) 1.0 0.8 1.5 0.4 1.1 0.6 0.5 0.2 0.8 0.8 0.8 0.5 0.3 *.* Utaware[rumono] A 2ch poster observes, Nagoya (in the Chuubu region) is similar to the Kantou and Kansai regions, isn't it?
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Good points, Seiji, but I have to point out one thing.
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Meters (at least in the US) are smart enough to differentiate between when you're watching a show and when you're recording it on a DVR. The advertiser cares when you watch it, not when you record it. In that case, the ratings reflect when you watched it, not when it was recorded. It is possible that the Japanese system does not distinguish between the two, but the Nielsen has been collecting that information for years now, and prior to doing so, it didn't reflect DVR numbers at all (they were simply excluded). Again, generally ratings that are given do not usually include the DVR (or at most they include Live + Same Day - not Live + Same Week). If they were including the other numbers, they almost always point out that those are the ratings they're displaying (and the time-frame involved). When a plain number is given, it's almost always Live and households (instead of demographics). Now, onto the more interesting thing about what you said (your foundation work in the 80s). TiVOs actually have a feature where you can rate the programming (giving it up to three thumbs up or three thumbs down). I wish they could collate that information to try to get a more qualitative number. Amusingly my television is on right now and nominally I'm "watching" it, but as you can probably tell from the length of my post - I may not be watching all that closely .
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Kouhaku, Sports, Miyazaki Draw High Japanese TV Ratings
According to Video Research Ltd., NHK's annual New Year's Eve special Kouhaku Uta Gassen (Red and White Song Contest), a number of sports events, and broadcast premieres of Miyazaki Hayao animated blockbusters typically receive among the highest television audience ratings in Japan.
When the soccer/football craze was presumably at its height in Japan, the television broadcast of the 2002 FIFA World Cup game between Japan and Russia on Fuji TV, Sunday, June 9, 2002, 8:00 PM - 10:54 PM (20:00 - 22:54) scored a television audience rating of 66.1% in the Kantou region of Japan.
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2007-03-15, 12:18 | Link #71 |
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Check out eggplant's posts in this thread for an idea of DVD sales in Japan. The post I've linked to shows how very successful Suzumiya Haruhi was on disk, for example. His following post shows that Code Geass started with a bang.
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@ Nightengale Are you serious about the GSD recaps outselling Haruhi DVD's, I mean if thats true its both hilarious and kind of sad at the same time. Then again, nothing beats Gundam, like ever. Even the Zeta Gundam Compilation movies of a series made 22 years ago that nobody really remembers of which 3 DVDs were made, outsold Haruhi so it's not a fair comparison per se. If it counted as a TV series than they would be in second place ahead of GSD. Still what a weird world. Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2007-03-17 at 03:38. |
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I'll say it again, I'm also really surprised to see Code Geass doing so darn well. I don't know how many more DVD's it has to sell of each volume, but its looking like it might start breaking some records soon enough and these DVD's are before the series really started to get going in terms of popularity. |
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Sunday Morning Japanese TV Anime Ratings 2007.04.01
Sunday Morning Television Animation Audience Ratings in the Kantou Region (Tokyo, Yokohama, Kawasaki, Saitama, Chiba, etc.), Japan - April 1, 2007
8.9% GeGeGe no Kitarou (New) 7.8% One Piece 1.9% Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (New) 2.6% Hayate no Gotoku! [Hayate the Combat Butler] (New) ***7.5% (7.1% in Kansai) Yes! Pretty Cure 5***
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Weren't they saying how Gurenn-Lagann's producers were being ridiculous if they were trying to compete with Pretty Cure? Since they're in the same timeslot on different stations (making Pretty Cure Gurenn-Lagann's 裏番組) and obviously Pretty Cure's going to win the eyeballs.
However it seems pretty obvious to me that they didn't really make it to rake in the kids but to grab the otakus - and to make it Imaishi's sandbox of sorts (having said that, I have yet to watch it. Or any of the Spring shows aside from Moribito.) Reminds me a wee bit of Eureka 7, obviously no kids were bothering to watch it (and hell, if I were a kid I sure as hell wasn't going to get up at 7am to watch an anime unless I was an otaku-in-training or something). It was the otaku who drove the DVD sales and whatnot.
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Death Note Ep. 25, Claymore Ep. 1 TV Ratings 2007.04.03 (2007.04.04)
Television Animation Audience Ratings in the Kantou Region (Tokyo, Yokohama, Kawasaki, Saitama, Chiba, etc.), Japan - Late Night Tuesday, April 3, 2007 (Early Morning Wednesday, April 4, 2007)
3.6% NTV 25:11 [1:11 AM] DEATH NOTE "Chinmoku" [Episode 25: "Silence"] 2.0% NTV 25:41 [1:41 AM] Claymore ....... "Daiken -Claymore-" [Episode 1: "Big Sword -Claymore-"] (New Program)
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