2012-09-21, 11:47 | Link #121 | |
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in fairness to kishi, he did write some pretty good flashbacks but i think he wrote one too many for my taste. i'm not saying he's a bad writer, i don't think he is. but i don't think he's a good writer either. there are so many better writers out there. you'd encounter quite a few of them in the seinen genre. but for a shonen manga-ka, kishi is okay i suppose. he's certainly better than let's say, kubo?
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2012-09-22, 09:55 | Link #122 | ||
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Nagato is probably the most well-developed villain so far, though his personality was bland. Oro takes the prize in that category. Madara and Obito's backstories are too tangled and I'm really hoping they get through the flashbacks soon. I'm guessing we'll see Obito get his completed Zetsu-clone body next chapter and then see him learn about Rin's death (and I wouldn't be surprised if Madara had a hand in that). Quote:
However, one thing to remember is that the story is mostly told from the perspective of the heroes. Usually villains are only featured when encountering the good guys. 9/10 times this will during be some sort of battle, so it's really to be expected that this is often the time the mangaka will take time to give background about them. Sure, there are some non-action "breather" moments that focus on the villains like in Part I where we saw Kabuto and Oro alone in their hideout discussing events that foreshadowed the debut of Itachi and the rest of Akatsuki. But overall, flashbacks are easier and more entertaining than pure exposition, even if they do disrupt the fights.
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2012-09-22, 23:36 | Link #126 |
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With Tsunade practically in the throes of death, Konoha's going to need a new Hokage after this arc. As much as Kakashi has the experience for the part, Naruto is now the obvious choice, because the only Konoha ninja even remotely on his power level is Sasuke, once Obitroll/Trollbi is dead. The only way I see Naruto not becoming Hokage after this arc is if by some miracle, Tsunade survives, or he turns the job down.
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2012-09-23, 02:28 | Link #127 |
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Yeah. There's no question Naruto will be qualified for the position. I mean its a given that he'll become the most powerful shinobi in the leaf village by far. In fact the only reason why Kakashi could still get an honorable mention is because he has all the other qualities we've come to expect from Hokage outside of strength. In other words, his personality, leadership skills, intelligence, reputation, and political connections still made him a rather ideal candidate in comparison to Naruto. However, if Naruto can somehow succeed in doing what no other before him could by bringing peace to the entire shinobi world, that will no longer be the case by a long shot.
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2012-09-23, 03:57 | Link #128 | |
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Too many wanna-be literature connoisseurs. Oh a flash back is a clear sign of amateur writing. Oh it's clearly a plot hole because of this, plot hole because of that. Flawed character this. The discussions on this forum have become less about the development and characters and more about how Kishimoto writes the dialogue and whether or not the plot twists are good enough to live up to Inception or Memento. I have an announcement to make guys... This is a Shonen series. Let's go analyze how complex and deeply written Phineas and Ferb is. |
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2012-09-23, 04:55 | Link #129 | |
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What i find a cheap trick is to kill off Tsunade in this way just to make room for Naruto. She doesn't even need to die for Naruto to become hokage, the 3rd hokage didn't die either, he just found someone who's better for the position. Naruto would probably be the dumbest kage ever I mean the guy was examining animal penises just a few days ago, and in a few days from now he might be the hokage I would prefer that Naruto turn down the job, but there's like 0.000000001% chance that it happens. One of the main reasons why the author might want Naruto to become hokage is to have a strong analogy between the Naruto vs Sasuke final fight and the 1st hokage vs Madara fight. And of course where the 1st hokage failed Naruto would succeed. |
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2012-09-23, 07:25 | Link #130 | |
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2012-09-23, 08:01 | Link #131 | |
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i have nothing against flashbacks in general though. in fact, i enjoyed that storytelling scene between tobi and sasuke where the former tells about "his" life as madara and the truth about the uchiha clan. i thought kishi did that well. besides, that sort of story needs to be told through that manner. i actually prefer having characters literally tell their stories than just have random flashbacks while the characters are in the middle of a fight. i can understand other people's complaints about flashbacks, naruto has far too many of them for my liking. some are even unnecessary.
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2012-09-23, 09:28 | Link #132 | |
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2012-09-23, 09:42 | Link #133 |
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Naruto already got too powerful, now he needs to become wise and have more life experience as a young man to succeed in being Hokage in future.
I think there's no need for any more power ups in Naruto anymore. I just can't image this. We already have: 1) Genius potential - Sasuke 2) Tailed beast - Naruto 3) Years of training - Both 4) Mang. Sharingan - Sasuke 5) Sage Mode - Naruto 6) Eyes transplantation - Sasuke 7) Friendship with 9tails for mass chakra - Naruto What next - blood transfusion to obtain clan abilities? Though we kinda have it but it involves DNA, not blood.
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2012-09-23, 13:54 | Link #135 |
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personally I assume that obito is beyond saving. Madara is pretty much the dark lord of the sith and he corrupted obito so much that his only way of redemption is to just forgive kakashi for letting rin die.
sasuke is the character that kimish wants us to remember and watch become redeemed as he joins forces to stop madara.
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2012-09-23, 15:34 | Link #136 |
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Sasuke can be the major plot driver now for Kishi. I mean he has several paths of plot direction:
1) Join Naruto versus Madara - so Madara is the last boss 2) Continue with hatred theme, so we get Naruto vs Sasuke finale 3) Don't forget about Orochimaru reborn,but he's less likely to become main villain as he's weak right now My bet is on (2) as there was too much power ups for Naruto and Sasuke and if they don't fight it could be kinda anti-climatic. But fighting on God levels - would that be even interesting, so maybe there won't be another friends battle. And who else can be counted as a top class villain in Naruto besides Kabuto, Oro, Tobi and Madara?
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2012-09-23, 18:06 | Link #139 | |
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First they had to fight Madara and he made sure they'll all die. It's logical for Madara to deal differently with Tsunade: during the battle he learned that she can heal even a mortal wound. So Madara then hit 4 kages with normal mortal wounds but he had to damage Tsunade much more seriously to make sure she can't regenerate. But he didn't expect her to be able to summon a slug that would help her survive. However we know from her fight against orochi and kabuto that her genesis rebirth jutsu consumes all the chakra on her forehead. Which means that he has a choice: regenerate her own body and let the other 4 kages die or regenerate the other 4 kages and die. Mortal wounds cannot be healed by normal medical jutsu, so even if some medical ninja were there they could not save Gaara and the others. So i think this time Tsunade's decision is obvious, it's a hokage's job to sacrifice himself for the village or in this case for the alliance. 4 lives in exchange for 1 seems a good deal for the alliance, and half of them are younger than Tsunade. Despite i don't like the idea of Tsunade having to die i must admit it's the logical thing to do. Kishimoto doesn't kill off characters for nothing, so her heroic death will most likely have a great impact. |
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