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crimsonflair
2014-06-09, 09:19
*Completely unrelated to the discussion earlier*
The cover for the third blu-ray of the second season was revealed.
http://date-a-live-anime.com/bldvd/season2_dvd03.html
http://date-a-live-anime.com/common/images/2nd/bldvd/03/pkg01.jpg
Xero8420
2014-06-09, 09:33
*Completely unrelated to the discussion earlier*
The cover for the third blu-ray of the second season was revealed.
http://date-a-live-anime.com/bldvd/season2_dvd03.html
http://date-a-live-anime.com/common/images/2nd/bldvd/03/pkg01.jpg
Miku would be my second favorite, only if she isn't being bitchy. :heh:
Besides, her body can actually make men feel good. Especially to her 'darling'. :heh:
On-topic:
Sorry, Shin. I didn't get you properly. The original ending? We can't really tell how the series should originally end. But regardless, it would still be incomplete in such a way as there are mysteries yet to be solved.
Date A Live would have been one of the 5-volume story if not being
insanely popular
Speaking of which I just come up with a thought that the mystical
voice in Vol1 could be actually Origami, since it's pretty much
ensured that Tachibana didn't even think of Phantom until he was
writing Vol4.
Xero8420
2014-06-09, 09:36
Speaking of which I just come up with a thought that the mystical
voice in Vol1 could be actually Origami, since it's pretty much
ensured that Tachibana didn't even think of Phantom until he was
writing Vol4.
Origami was initially made to be Phantom?! :twitch:
*MIND BLOWN!!!!*
Trung-t-rung
2014-06-09, 11:37
Speaking of which I just come up with a thought that the mystical
voice in Vol1 could be actually Origami, since it's pretty much
ensured that Tachibana didn't even think of Phantom until he was
writing Vol4.
Either that or something like time-looped heroine aka Kurumi.
Death Usagi
2014-06-09, 15:02
So when is the next cover page for Vol 11 expected to be revealed? o.o
Xero8420
2014-06-09, 19:05
So when is the next cover page for Vol 11 expected to be revealed? o.o
Vol 11 is expect to release on August. The cover? Not so sure. Maybe a month earlier.
Already appeared eight of ten spirits and if we take into account that only missing two (the second spirit that is the mother of shirou and mana, the other could be the ghost) if another means that there are more or perhaps the spirits appear in generations with different powers
cyberdemon
2014-06-10, 00:45
Already appeared eight of ten spirits and if we take into account that only missing two (the second spirit that is the mother of shirou and mana, the other could be the ghost) if another means that there are more or perhaps the spirits appear in generations with different powers
There isn't anything confirmed about that. However I do find it highly likely that one of the two spirits is their mother. It would explains Shidou's abilities and why she had to leave him likely to protect him from DEM. I'm betting that she is the one being held by DEM but is probably losing power which is why they are trying to capture another one to take her place. I'm willing to guess though that Phantom is actually a projection of hers using her powers. She is creating spirits likely to protect Shidou and also to try and free herself.
kusabireika
2014-06-10, 01:43
There isn't anything confirmed about that. However I do find it highly likely that one of the two spirits is their mother. It would explains Shidou's abilities and why she had to leave him likely to protect him from DEM. I'm betting that she is the one being held by DEM but is probably losing power which is why they are trying to capture another one to take her place. I'm willing to guess though that Phantom is actually a projection of hers using her powers. She is creating spirits likely to protect Shidou and also to try and free herself.
I agree with that theory :nod: though I wonder what will happen to shidou if dem was the son of the 2nd spirit they capture :heehee:
Still I wonder if shidou become a spirit in the future if the phantom plan continues her plan and succeed in sealing all spirit by shidou
It will be scary if the one who cause the 150m death was shidou with the help of kurumi ._.
It probably means you can't escape your faith ._. I hope I'm wrong with this :T_T: coz I'm comparing him with origami :( if the same event happen again :T_T:
kampfer91
2014-06-10, 06:30
I guess Shidou is a half breed between a true spirit and human .
And he can manifest ( in theory ) any angel , that make him valuable as a weapon.
However , that may be have nothing to do which the question : who was the 1st spirit that wrecked Europe and why Kurumi want to kill her , and who the heck is phantom ?
cyberdemon
2014-06-10, 09:37
I agree with that theory :nod: though I wonder what will happen to shidou if dem was the son of the 2nd spirit they capture :heehee:
Still I wonder if shidou become a spirit in the future if the phantom plan continues her plan and succeed in sealing all spirit by shidou
It will be scary if the one who cause the 150m death was shidou with the help of kurumi ._.
It probably means you can't escape your faith ._. I hope I'm wrong with this :T_T: coz I'm comparing him with origami :( if the same event happen again :T_T:
To expand on my theory. I'm betting DEM kidnapped Mana as a child (her memories are skewed so she doesn't remember this) when they couldn't get their hands on their mother. Their mother decided to exchange herself for Mana which is how they managed to capture a spirit (they lied to Mana though to keep her there of her own free will). She first left Shidou with the Itsuka's to keep him safe. Then she created Phantom using her angel's powers as a kind of backup.
She intended to give the sephira crystals to Shidou but it didn't work because he was male. but he had that ability to seal powers in himself from his spirit side he inherited from her. So what does she do? Give Ifrit (with all it's healing goodness) to Kotori since she clearly loves her new brother. Then hint to her what would happen if she kissed Shidou. Suddenly Shidou has the healing powers of Ifrit. Kotori doesn't have the same kind of potential as say Origami. She doesn't even have a body that can handle the power of an angel. So it seems weird that Phantom would chose her to carry an angel. It feels more like she was set up to act as a medium between Ifrit's powers and Shidou.
She probably also passed on the ideas of Ratatoskr to push Shidou to start sealing the other angel's powers to keep him safe.
Seeker213
2014-06-10, 11:06
To expand on my theory. I'm betting DEM kidnapped Mana as a child (her memories are skewed so she doesn't remember this) when they couldn't get their hands on their mother. Their mother decided to exchange herself for Mana which is how they managed to capture a spirit (they lied to Mana though to keep her there of her own free will). She first left Shidou with the Itsuka's to keep him safe. Then she created Phantom using her angel's powers as a kind of backup.
She intended to give the sephira crystals to Shidou but it didn't work because he was male. but he had that ability to seal powers in himself from his spirit side he inherited from her. So what does she do? Give Ifrit (with all it's healing goodness) to Kotori since she clearly loves her new brother. Then hint to her what would happen if she kissed Shidou. Suddenly Shidou has the healing powers of Ifrit. Kotori doesn't have the same kind of potential as say Origami. She doesn't even have a body that can handle the power of an angel. So it seems weird that Phantom would chose her to carry an angel. It feels more like she was set up to act as a medium between Ifrit's powers and Shidou.
She probably also passed on the ideas of Ratatoskr to push Shidou to start sealing the other angel's powers to keep him safe.
Okay then where does Miku fit into your idea? Since Shidou would've never met her, so why would the mother order Phantom to give Spirit powers to a person who Shidou never met before?
Kitarlis
2014-06-10, 11:07
It's impossible. The point of tree of life crushed it.
2nd spirit supreme links with 3rd (Kurumi) as "Chokhmah" ("Wisdom") with "Binah" ("Understanding"). So why Kurumi need find her (his *). And it should be *similar age spirit*.
6th.. hm. Maybe.. but *The Sun* issue.. so not high chance.
Ars Install article from Dengeki (http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/865/865016/)
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/865/865212/ps_05_cs1w1_400x223.jpg
Superbia
2014-06-10, 11:57
Okay then where does Miku fit into your idea? Since Shidou would've never met her, so why would the mother order Phantom to give Spirit powers to a person who Shidou never met before?
Actually, it was implied that Miku was turned into a spirit in April, which is around the same time that Shidou joined Ratataskr. If Phantom knew that, then choosing a girl who lives in the same city as Shidou almost insuring that he will meet her at one point thanks to Ratataskr fits with the theory.
Ars Install article from Dengeki (http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/865/865016/)
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/865/865212/ps_05_cs1w1_400x223.jpg
Is that a whip and rope in Miku's bag? Shidou should be thankful that he can heal himself so easily.
cyberdemon
2014-06-10, 12:07
Okay then where does Miku fit into your idea? Since Shidou would've never met her, so why would the mother order Phantom to give Spirit powers to a person who Shidou never met before?
Ratatoskr's purpose is to find the spirits and seal them. So it was natural that they would cross paths eventually. Perhaps she thought that they was a benefit in using Miku or she thought that Miku was someone who could truly use saving at that point and figured Shido could do so. She also has good compatibility with that angel so it would work out well.
Shinji103
2014-06-10, 12:17
Ars Install article from Dengeki (http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/865/865016/)The article also confirms again that Kaguya and Yuzuru have seperate endings.
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/865/865212/ps_05_cs1w1_400x223.jpg
I guess not all of the girls' alternate selves will be so pleasant..... :heh:
SolBlade
2014-06-10, 13:01
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http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/865/865212/ps_05_cs1w1_400x223.jpg
So miku doesn't approve a harem for shido now? :heh:
Death Usagi
2014-06-10, 21:00
Ars Install article from Dengeki (http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/865/865016/)
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/865/865212/ps_05_cs1w1_400x223.jpg
I thought Kurumi was more to be yandere type :uhoh:
Trung-t-rung
2014-06-10, 22:03
So miku doesn't approve a harem for shido now? :heh:
The Miku that lacking her usual yuri tendency is just meh:heh:
Xero8420
2014-06-10, 22:26
Ars Install article from Dengeki (http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/865/865016/)
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/865/865212/ps_05_cs1w1_400x223.jpg
Aw, nuts. Did her dear darling is being unfaithful?
I guess Kurumi isn't the only one in here. Didn't know that Miku's a yandere too... :heh:
Good luck for that, Shidou. Better not end up in a Nice Boat ending. :heh:
Death Usagi
2014-06-10, 23:27
Surprised Miku would have such tools when I thought only Origami would have them in her bags >__>
Xero8420
2014-06-10, 23:38
Surprised Miku would have such tools when I thought only Origami would have them in her bags >__>
Except that yandere doesn't suits Origami's type. Cause she don't bring out a knife to threaten her love. :p
Trung-t-rung
2014-06-10, 23:45
Except that yandere doesn't suits Origami's type. Cause she don't bring out a knife to threaten her love. :p
She has tasers and being trained soldier. She can probably knock him out and incapacitate him if she want to.
Superbia
2014-06-10, 23:47
Aw, nuts. Did her dear darling is being unfaithful?
I guess Kurumi isn't the only one in here. Didn't know that Miku's a yandere too... :heh:
Good luck for that, Shidou. Better not end up in a Nice Boat ending. :heh:
Considering this is Miku, she would be more upset that Shidou isn't sharing any of his harem with her.
For Shidou's sake, lets just hope she's trying to kill him and not trying to permanently make Shidou into Shiori.
Trung-t-rung
2014-06-11, 00:28
Considering this is Miku, she would be more upset that Shidou isn't sharing any of his harem with her.
For Shidou's sake, lets just hope she's trying to kill him and not trying to permanently make Shidou into Shiori.
She can always strike a deal with Natsumi. :p
SineMora
2014-06-11, 01:13
That Pouting Inverted Ars...
kusabireika
2014-06-11, 01:13
She can always strike a deal with Natsumi. :p
quick question about natsumi power can she manipulate voice too? for example turning shidou to shiori ? do shiori use his male voice or her female voice bit confuse :heh:
Superbia
2014-06-11, 01:19
quick question about natsumi power can she manipulate voice too? for example turning shidou to shiori ? do shiori use his male voice or her female voice bit confuse :heh:
Natsumi had Shidou's voice when she turned into him, so it should be possible for her to change his voice into Shiori's like he does using Ratataskr's voice changer.
quick question about natsumi power can she manipulate voice too? for example turning shidou to shiori ? do shiori use his male voice or her female voice bit confuse :heh:
There's nothing she can't do! <Witch> suits her nicely:cool:
(Most powerful Spirit currently, IMO)
Death Usagi
2014-06-11, 06:39
Wait, but do the characters inside that virtual reality have the exact same personality as the original?
kampfer91
2014-06-11, 06:52
Wait, but do the characters inside that virtual reality have the exact same personality as the original?
The question is , will she wear pant ?:heh:
SolBlade
2014-06-11, 08:12
Wait, but do the characters inside that virtual reality have the exact same personality as the original?
Well judging from the CGs probably not unless you can understand japanese :heh:
Shinji103
2014-06-11, 08:26
Wait, but do the characters inside that virtual reality have the exact same personality as the original?If you're talking about Ars Install, then the girls are in the game with Shidou. The Story page on the game's website (http://www.compileheart.com/date/ars/#/story) says Shidou gets trapped in the VR world and the other girls get trapped with him when they go in to save him.
Otherwise the game and its routes for each girl would feel hollow and empty if they weren't the actual characters and just some VR copies.
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/865/865212/ps_05_cs1w1_400x223.jpg
shido wont see this coming.
Wait, but do the characters inside that virtual reality have the exact same personality as the original?
it properly the A.I changing their personality to give shido a challenge that he not uses to.
Shinji103
2014-06-11, 10:28
http://i.imgur.com/D1umJjTl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/D1umJjT.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/y4oGVTnl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/y4oGVTn.jpg)
Ars Install new scans
http://i.imgur.com/UgZ0tBAl.jpg (http://imgur.com/UgZ0tBA)
http://i.imgur.com/4JMA2mMl.jpg (http://imgur.com/4JMA2mM)
http://i.imgur.com/4x8fzawl.jpg (http://imgur.com/4x8fzaw)
http://i.imgur.com/D1umJjTl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/D1umJjT.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/y4oGVTnl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/y4oGVTn.jpg)
Old is still good:cool:
(Hope Rinne appears in novel.....)
Death Usagi
2014-06-11, 16:37
Old is still good:cool:
(Hope Rinne appears in novel.....)
If I remember correctly, I thought Rinne was just a materialization of a Spiritual Energy?
If I remember correctly, I thought Rinne was just a materialization of a Spiritual Energy?
yep she doesn't even have a body if she is sealed she turns into nothing... so unless some big shit happens like in rinne utopia where shidou spitual power gets crazy we won't see something like rinne again :(
Xero8420
2014-06-11, 18:45
Old is still good:cool:
(Hope Rinne appears in novel.....)
There is a LN version of Rinne Utopia, by the way. But it's yet to be translated.
If you're talking about Ars Install, then the girls are in the game with Shidou. The Story page on the game's website (http://www.compileheart.com/date/ars/#/story) says Shidou gets trapped in the VR world and the other girls get trapped with him when they go in to save him.
Otherwise the game and its routes for each girl would feel hollow and empty if they weren't the actual characters and just some VR copies.
I do not think that girls entering the game, the reason is that I don't see how they will include origami and kurumi, without appearing also mana, ai, mai, mii, the sister of tama-chan, reeine, and the Chief of ats
Xero8420
2014-06-12, 00:15
If you're talking about Ars Install, then the girls are in the game with Shidou. The Story page on the game's website (http://www.compileheart.com/date/ars/#/story) says Shidou gets trapped in the VR world and the other girls get trapped with him when they go in to save him.
Otherwise the game and its routes for each girl would feel hollow and empty if they weren't the actual characters and just some VR copies.
I don't see Kurumi and Origami nearby though. O.o
High quality Ars Install scans from my buddy ExeForce again
http://minus.com/mbwZZJCiIIoIVP
BAM Wescott and Ellen, Ars Install might actually have connection to the main story if only for a little
If I remember correctly, I thought Rinne was just a materialization of a Spiritual Energy?
hoho what a beautiful Spiritual Energy Shidou has. :naughty:
Shinji103
2014-06-12, 05:38
I do not think that girls entering the game, the reason is that I don't see how they will include origami and kurumi, without appearing also mana, ai, mai, mii, the sister of tama-chan, reeine, and the Chief of atsWell you're wrong. As I just said in the very post you quoted, it says on the game's story page (which I also linked), as in specifically says, Tohka and the other girls go in the game to save Shidou and are also trapped in it.
And even before that, it would be empty and hollow if the routes of the game were just Shidou substituting the real people he knows with VR copies. Ars is an actual existence within the VR world, but the other girls would be just data.
I don't see why you think they'd bring all those other people into the VR world. Mana and Reine maybe, but why the heck would they bring the trio, Tama-chan, and Ryouko in? From the our perspective, Tohka and the other girls are in the VR world so that Shidou is interacting with the actual girls on their routes instead of VR copies of them, which as I said would just make the routes feel empty. There's no need to bring anybody else into the VR world.
I don't see Kurumi and Origami nearby though. O.oHowever exactly it happens, all the main girls, including Origami and Kurumi, will be there in the game with Shidou. As I said, the routes would be empty and hollow if Shidou was just getting together with data copies of the people he knows.
High quality Ars Install scans from my buddy ExeForce again
http://minus.com/mbwZZJCiIIoIVP
BAM Wescott and Ellen, Ars Install might actually have connection to the main story if only for a littleWell that will make things interesting. Obviously they simply weren't in the first game because at that point in the novel timeline they hadn't been introduced.
SineMora
2014-06-12, 07:33
hoho what a beautiful Spiritual Energy Shidou has. :naughty:
Who knows, she might be the reason why Shiori is just damn too irresistible. :D On the other note, if Shido ever masturbates, does his... other side join in too, or she simply enjoys it? :naughty:
So that means... ALL SPIRITS ARE FEMALE EXCEPT FOR ONE WHO'S APPARENTLY STUCK IN A MALE BODY.... :heh:
Anyway
High quality Ars Install scans from my buddy ExeForce again
http://minus.com/mbwZZJCiIIoIVP
BAM Wescott and Ellen, Ars Install might actually have connection to the main story if only for a little
HOLY HELL THAT DARK HAIRED ARS LOOKALIKE... Her pouting...
And Wescott... I'd really want to Lazerkraftwerk that guy... Or just destroy the entire building along with him, with the very same weapon they used against Tenguu city, screw civilians, they ain't civilians anymore...
High quality Ars Install scans from my buddy ExeForce again
http://minus.com/mbwZZJCiIIoIVP
BAM Wescott and Ellen, Ars Install might actually have connection to the main story if only for a little
I think that they may be responsible for Maria going inverse and she probable the reason that all the girls are acting differently in the game.
Death Usagi
2014-06-12, 11:03
Makes you question if Westcott is just a normal human being or if he will be a massive threat in the future.
Trung-t-rung
2014-06-12, 11:06
Makes you question if Westcott is just a normal human being or if he will be a massive threat in the future.
He looks like a dude in his twenties while his friend who know him for long time looks like he's in his 50s. That's definitely not normal.
Just hope the author didn't pull out the card:
"Shidou-kun, I am your father.":heh:
Death Usagi
2014-06-12, 11:10
Yeah, considering people who knows him and such are considered to have lived like 50 years or something, they either have gone through some scientific surgeries that prolong their life or they ain't humans >_>
Xero8420
2014-06-12, 11:12
He looks like a dude in his twenties while his friend who know him for long time looks like he's in his 50s. That's definitely not normal.
Just hope the author didn't pull out the card:
"Shidou-kun, I am your father.":heh:
Westcott is more of DAL version of Darth Sidious. :heh:
Death Usagi
2014-06-12, 11:13
One aspect that I hope the author covers is the origin of the Spirit World, how they are born, and the true identities of the spirits and the purpose of the Sephira, and if there are any spirits outside of the current known Tree system.
One aspect that I hope the author covers is the origin of the Spirit World, how they are born, and the true identities of the spirits and the purpose of the Sephira, and if there are any spirits outside of the current known Tree system.
He would have to reveal them eventually but in what way, all a once or a bit at a time, it really matter how much need to be revealed.
Death Usagi
2014-06-12, 14:59
He would have to reveal them eventually but in what way, all a once or a bit at a time, it really matter how much need to be revealed.
Except the sad reality is how he doesn't know in what direction to go to for his novel QwQ
Except the sad reality is how he doesn't know in what direction to go to for his novel QwQ
Kind of understandable when you think the story was supposed to be only about 9 volumes long, but exploded massively in popularity. :eyespin:
Except the sad reality is how he doesn't know in what direction to go to for his novel QwQ
True we can only hope that he think up what he going to do next, but if he must at least have an idea how to explain everything about the spirit.
kampfer91
2014-06-12, 16:28
Or why Shidou has the power to sealing the spirit , and when he is at it , he could write about Shidou 's past .
Also the inverse version of all spirit .
I do wish that the plot get deeper .
Shinji103
2014-06-12, 17:31
He looks like a dude in his twenties while his friend who know him for long time looks like he's in his 50s. That's definitely not normal.
Just hope the author didn't pull out the card:
"Shidou-kun, I am your father.":heh:Yeah, considering people who knows him and such are considered to have lived like 50 years or something, they either have gone through some scientific surgeries that prolong their life or they ain't humans >_>Or he's younger than Woodman simply because he was Woodman's student/pupil.
One aspect that I hope the author covers is the origin of the Spirit World, how they are born, and the true identities of the spirits and the purpose of the Sephira, and if there are any spirits outside of the current known Tree system.Except the sad reality is how he doesn't know in what direction to go to for his novel QwQKind of understandable when you think the story was supposed to be only about 9 volumes long, but exploded massively in popularity. :eyespin:True we can only hope that he think up what he going to do next, but if he must at least have an idea how to explain everything about the spirit.Or why Shidou has the power to sealing the spirit , and when he is at it , he could write about Shidou 's past .
Also the inverse version of all spirit .
I do wish that the plot get deeper .You guys are worrying way too much. He said that he originally planned DAL to be 10 volumes long, which means he knew about how long it the story was going to be (obviously) and he already knew at least the basic outline of the story. Just like he's been planning the current Origami arc since the beginning of the series.
Of course he's going to give us answers. He knows the basic story he's going to write, he just needs to figure out how he'll expand it into a story longer than what he originally intended.
You guys are worrying way too much. He said that he originally planned DAL to be 10 volumes long, which means he knew about how long it the story was going to be (obviously) and he already knew at least the basic outline of the story. Just like he's been planning the current Origami arc since the beginning of the series.
Of course he's going to give us answers. He knows the basic story he's going to write, he just needs to figure out how he'll expand it into a story longer than what he originally intended.
It is not that I worry about that very much, because I doubt that publisher would try to get rid of their own Golden Egg :heh:
I am more interested how all the Inverse spirit stuff will be handled and DEM and their goal. This current Origami arc could give us a couple of answers for some questions. Mostly I'm interested in what/who Phantom is and number 2 spirit captured by DEM. :)
Death Usagi
2014-06-12, 19:04
How to turn every single Spirit conquered so far turn into Inverse excluding the ones who already got turned into it o_o
Xero8420
2014-06-12, 19:49
Take note that Miku, Natsumi and Origami arcs were stretched long. For that, Tachibana had to tweak his story a little.
ImperialFlameGod8190
2014-06-12, 19:57
It is not that I worry about that very much, because I doubt that publisher would try to get rid of their own Golden Egg :heh:
I am more interested how all the Inverse spirit stuff will be handled and DEM and their goal. This current Origami arc could give us a couple of answers for some questions. Mostly I'm interested in what/who Phantom is and number 2 spirit captured by DEM. :)
Phantom i'm currently curious about but really I have my suspicions on the number 2 spirit being with DEM that hasn't been confirmed maybe kurumi is just guessing on that
Preview pics for ep 10 are out: http://date-a-live-anime.com/story/season2_10.html
Only few hours left till the finale. It will be great if there will be a 3rd season announcement at the end.
Trung-t-rung
2014-06-13, 06:46
Anime
http://date-a-live-anime.com/common/images/2nd/story/st10/thum02.jpg
LN
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/4/40/DAL_v7_000d.jpg
If that is the only scene of Shidou stands before Miku, I'd be seriously pissed off. Even the PV makes it more awesome.
kusabireika
2014-06-13, 06:56
^ is it me or not because shidou eye color change a bit :heh: maybe it's just only me :T_T:
Seeker213
2014-06-13, 07:51
^ is it me or not because shidou eye color change a bit :heh: maybe it's just only me :T_T:
No when Shidou uses an Spirit's Angel his eye color changes to gold
^ is it me or not because shidou eye color change a bit :heh: maybe it's just only me :T_T:
That actually happens every time Shidou uses an angel. I first noticed it during the 4th episode when Shidou uses Sandalphon for the first time. I also noticed Miku's eyes before and after she became a spirit are also a little different. It's also the same with Origami, her eyes became a little different after she became a spirit. I guess that's a side effect for everyone when using spirit powers or after becoming a spirit.
Shinji103
2014-06-13, 08:06
The Ars Install website has been updated with new voice samples for Ars and "Dark Ars" (http://www.compileheart.com/date/ars/#/chara) and two new CGs in the gallery (http://www.compileheart.com/date/ars/#/gallery).
The Ars Install website has been updated with new voice samples for Ars and "Dark Ars" (http://www.compileheart.com/date/ars/#/chara) and two new CGs in the gallery (http://www.compileheart.com/date/ars/#/gallery).
Got this game pre-ordered so i can't wait lol
DAL 10 will most likely be late since i have games to play Xd
Shinji103
2014-06-13, 08:42
Got this game pre-ordered so i can't wait lol
DAL 10 will most likely be late since i have games to play XdI pre-ordered my copy on Amiami weeks ago. :D I'd have preferred to pre-order it on Gamers Market for the store-specific pre-order bonus Kurumi+Yuzuru drama CD, but they don't sell or ship internationally.......
I've cleared out my schedule of backlogged games/animes so I can start this as soon as I get it on the 30th. :)
Xero8420
2014-06-13, 08:49
Say... How about the endings?
Shinji103
2014-06-13, 08:52
Say... How about the endings?What about them?
Xero8420
2014-06-13, 08:54
What about them?
Do they plan for... pregnancy ending? Otherwise, any G-rated scenes for happy endings? :heh:
Shinji103
2014-06-13, 09:10
Do they plan for... pregnancy ending? Otherwise, any G-rated scenes for happy endings? :heh:Ah, that. No word on that. But considering that the only "Pregnancy Ending" we got was Origami's, I don't see any others, if any, happening in Ars Install.
Xero8420
2014-06-13, 09:49
Ah, that. No word on that. But considering that the only "Pregnancy Ending" we got was Origami's, I don't see any others, if any, happening in Ars Install.
In that case, then things are more or less similar from Rinne Utopia. Which mean Kurumi would get a G-rated scene in Ars Install. But I'm looking forward for Miku's and the Yamais.
However, if the theory of Shidou's mother was a Spirit is correct, chances are the future VNs for DAL will no longer be the same, with all Spirits can actually get pregnant. Soon, pregnancy endings for all Spirit routes are made possible, a reality~! Yes, I can die happily for that! Hahahahaha~! xD
:eyespin::eyespin::eyespin:
Don't mind me for going crazy... But I love it if the theory is correctly pointed out :heh:
Superbia
2014-06-13, 11:05
However, if the theory of Shidou's mother was a Spirit is correct, chances are the future VNs for DAL will no longer be the same, with all Spirits can actually get pregnant. Soon, pregnancy endings for all Spirit routes are made possible, a reality~! Yes, I can die happily for that! Hahahahaha~! xD
:eyespin::eyespin::eyespin:
Don't mind me for going crazy... But I love it if the theory is correctly pointed out :heh:
I'm suddenly remembering the begining of Volume 9 with Shidou having to watch over all of the small spirit children. If spirits can get pregnant, that could be a sign of his future. He's doomed isn't he?
Shinji103
2014-06-13, 12:10
Well, I haven't seen episode 10 myself yet but apparently there's no season 3.
There is however, apparently..............a movie adaptation?? :confused:
the only thing i can think of them doing a movie would be rinne
Shinji103
2014-06-13, 12:29
Or worst-case scenario, it's an anime-original movie intended to bring the anime to a close and we really get no season 3. :(
Or worst-case scenario, it's an anime-original movie intended to bring the anime to a close and we really get no season 3. :(
As I said before, if they do that I'll go inverse on Kadokawa... Now, I'm waiting for episode 10 to be released.
Ernietheracefan
2014-06-13, 12:47
Or worst-case scenario, it's an anime-original movie intended to bring the anime to a close and we really get no season 3. :(
Hang on.., so this series would be ended like Strike Witches 501st JFW arcs..?? (no season 3 but a movie and OVA 3 eps instead)
No confirmation about the movie being the end of the series in anime form.
Remember we still have Kurumi Star Festival for Novemeber-December.
Now we have the movie.
I think we shouldn't be this negative about it.
Kitarlis
2014-06-13, 13:30
Hm, why so negative?
We've now "just" Natsumi arc for animation (2 volumes). As possible 3rd season, I think it's not enough.
So i think we'll get 3rd season after Origami arc ends.
P.S. After last episode, perspective for Ellen be 6th spirit a few increased..
SolBlade
2014-06-13, 13:56
suddenly a movie adaptation announced hopefully it will be rinne utopia as some of you said
Well I also hope this is not going to be the end of the anime adaptation.
Seeker213
2014-06-13, 16:14
Asking a stupid question I know, but in the Light Novels did Inverse Tohka really talk? Or was that just a anime original thing? Just curious and I would really appreciate a answer, because Volume 7 chapter 10 has yet to be translated and, the summary I found online really doesn't say anything.
I think the movie will be a remake or mostly compilation of the first arc's episodes with some different scenes. Like Shakugan no Shana and Madoka Magica movies. Maybe at the end of the movie a 3rd season will be announced. If it is mostly a compilation of the first arc's episodes then the movie shouldn't be that far along. Looks like other than the short stories the movie might be for keeping us occupied while we wait for vol 12's release next year if the movie is out this year or early next year.
I was hoping for a 3rd season announcement but I guess it was expected because the LN needs to at least finish Origami's arc before a 3rd season can be announced. It's also possible they are planning on making the 3rd season a 2-cour covering the rest of the novels (if the LN ends at around vol 15).
i only wish, that the movie will be an original material for phantom, because if all notice well sandalphon was blurred for instants, also i think tachibana open a big hole with inversion because even if all people said to me that is impossible, for me the novel can even show us dark spirits that has the inverse powers if tachibana decide to continue the history in a good direction for a secuel;but well i have to thanks the anime makers because i understand better that maybe the woman that wescott mention is indeed phantom and also depends in vol 12 if we know what 0 spirit she is i remember that someone mention 3 "powers" above the tree of life ein, ein sof and other ein; at last Ein Sof was the one that created both sephiroths and Qliphots so boys maybe we will a very good new plot if tachibana is smart or at last a good ending for this great novel
cyberdemon
2014-06-13, 17:56
I think the movie will be a remake or mostly compilation of the first arc's episodes with some different scenes. Like Shakugan no Shana and Madoka Magica movies. Maybe at the end of the movie a 3rd season will be announced. If it is mostly a compilation of the first arc's episodes then the movie shouldn't be that far along. Looks like other than the short stories the movie might be for keeping us occupied while we wait for vol 12's release next year if the movie is out this year or early next year.
I was hoping for a 3rd season announcement but I guess it was expected because the LN needs to at least finish Origami's arc before a 3rd season can be announced. It's also possible they are planning on making the 3rd season a 2-cour covering the rest of the novels (if the LN ends at around vol 15).
That's what I am thinking. The subs I have seen call it a "movie version" which seems more like a compilation of what we already have than an actual movie with new footage. I see it probably being like the SAO movie where it was recap with a bonus story at the end of it that isn't in the novels. They likely just can't start work on season 3 until Origami's arc is finished so that they will have all the details. So the movie is something to bide their time until all the necessary volumes are out.
They did show Kurumi walking off after noting that the certain spirit wasn't there either. So I still hold out hope that it is indeed like the previous posters said a compilation or movie version remake like the Shana movie.
Xero8420
2014-06-13, 18:42
Otherwise, a movie about alternative event like Rinne Utopia?
Death Usagi
2014-06-13, 20:26
If they make a movie, I don't think it would be wise to do a movie like how Shakugan no Shana did as that would mean Yoshino, Kurumi, Kaguya & Yuzuru, and Miku would be omitted which is a terrible choice.
Rinne no Utopia would be a good movie material.
Xero8420
2014-06-13, 20:39
Besides, I think season 3 will be announced right after when Origami arc is completed. Really, Tachibana can't just abandon an unfinished project as was initially expected to be 10 volumes, can he/she? Both Natsumi and Origami arcs will have more than enough materials to fill up a single season.
Also, I'm pretty sure that the decision of making season 3 is determined by the IMS studio, not Kadokawa.
RegulusNemea
2014-06-13, 21:27
Yeah, maybe we will get it if we're lucky enough, by Fall 2015
If it's anything like the index movie we may have to wait until spring 2017 unless they half ass the animation like season 2 was done.
SolBlade
2014-06-14, 01:45
If it's anything like the index movie we may have to wait until spring 2017 unless they half ass the animation like season 2 was done.
oh god pls no :( I can't wait that long
Now let the dates(war) begin~! Chapt 1 Vol 10 done
Kitarlis
2014-06-14, 11:39
Riiiiiki. ty ^^
Seeker213
2014-06-14, 11:44
Now let the dates(war) begin~! Chapt 1 Vol 10 done
Yay! For Volume 10 chapter 1 being translated! Also is there any news on volume 7?
Thank you very much, I can feel some ominous incoming suffering.
ImperialFlameGod8190
2014-06-14, 13:31
This reminds me of a scene in a show called Two and a Half men (the good version with Charlie sheen). (if you don't know the show don't worry if you do you should know what i'm talking about. The stalker who drove him nuts moved away but instead of being relieved he was a bit concerned and it bothered him. Very similar situations (ironically enough she also moved to England)
Thank you for the translation.
Death Usagi
2014-06-14, 17:59
Now let the dates(war) begin~! Chapt 1 Vol 10 done
Thank you very much. Your efforts are very much appreciated xD
Yay! For Volume 10 chapter 1 being translated! Also is there any news on volume 7?
are you new here? there are others taking Vol 7 and i am not one of them.
I like the part where Natsumi "proposed" to Yoshino.
tuckersister
2014-06-14, 19:48
What would it take for Westcott too really "lose it" and for everything to go downhill?
I'm still believe that in Vol 11 Origami would have a conversation in her consciousness with a unknown woman who tells her not to give in despair. Something will definite happen with Origami that would shock even readers. Also, Origami will make amends will the spirits at the end of the Vol 11 while keeping a secret she learned to herself.
Anyway, Natsumi is Yoshino's first true friend. I would like to see a lot of their friendship progress through future novels.
kampfer91
2014-06-14, 20:14
Only when he tries to bite something to big for him , hell , all the villain do
And about origami in vol 11 ...More like the conversion to the spirit , well, the thing is Origami wants power too much the she is willing to sacrifice everything ( save for shidou ) to archive it ,really , not a good thinking but.....
Seeker213
2014-06-14, 20:59
are you new here? there are others taking Vol 7 and i am not one of them.
Sorry I was hoping you would have some knowledge of their progress.
kusabireika
2014-06-14, 20:59
thank you Riki for translating :T_T:
RegulusNemea
2014-06-14, 21:21
Is the vol.10 chapters that posted here in this thread were just summaries or the full chapter?
crimsonflair
2014-06-14, 21:50
Is the vol.10 chapters that posted here in this thread were just summaries or the full chapter?
Just summaries.
Algester
2014-06-14, 21:55
for now I have to think after Origami's capture route what's going to happen to Origami will she still stay a spirit or not... (the corrective forces of fate seems to decline this proposition but who knows)
but a few thing maybe revealed about Shidou
the memory lost
events before he gets adopted by Itsuka household
Origami's stalker mode
then after this disaster will Kurumi still be relevant or she's going to be the next capture? along with another spirit either number 6 or 2 (i'm inclined with number 6 on this one probably) or heck number 6 and number 2 might be very closely related
SolBlade
2014-06-14, 23:23
Now let the dates(war) begin~! Chapt 1 Vol 10 done
thx as always Riki-Sama :D
Miraluka
2014-06-14, 23:48
Maybe Origami will reject being sealed in order to investigate DEM and the spirits.
Maybe Origami will reject being sealed in order to investigate DEM and the spirits.
Origami never rejected the possibility of giving a kiss to shidou in the mouth, especially with your wedding dress
SineMora
2014-06-15, 01:40
Origami never rejected the possibility of giving a kiss to shidou in the mouth, especially with your wedding dress
And that comes with the bonus of being naked after the kiss...
If it's Origami, I suggest other spirits should stand guard in secret... you have no idea what will happen next...
Origami properly going to be the most unstable of spirit even if Shidou does save her, because it wont change the fact that she killed her parents, which mean that Shidou may have to stay by her side 24/7.
Ken Sanders
2014-06-15, 04:13
That's going to be one tough mission to compromise Origami's mental stress. But they have to worry about DEM first because they might want to take her back if they can that is.
I don't give a sh*t about Ellen being the strongest wizard, after all it's just an augmented power due to their research and stuff, because Origami's strength, even in her Inverse mode, I doubt she could survive against her.
If possible, Origami might destroy DEM's japan's branch with her current powers because to of her despair.
tuckersister
2014-06-15, 07:18
And about origami in vol 11 ...More like the conversion to the spirit , well, the thing is Origami wants power too much the she is willing to sacrifice everything ( save for shidou ) to archive it ,really , not a good thinking but.....
I do agree bite her own tongue she became a spirit. Origami's talk with the unknown woman in her subconscious (not Phantom) would be dealing with the truth that she saw happen and helping her overcome her despair. Like all people who seal their subconscious in someone's subconscious, she probably tells Origami certain truths about the spirits and other things (only certain truth, not the whole thing). I wonder how Origami would react to the truths she would learn.
Anyway, I still hope Origami's AST friends will show up (I know Mana will show up since Kurumi is there). They probably fight with the Spirits this time to try to save Origami. Also, Mana will probably Shido's position sort of since he is in the past.
Fraxius maybe destroyed, but it doesn't mean that they all dead. Kotori probably saved the crew.
Kitarlis
2014-06-15, 08:25
About Mana and Ellen...
As is well known Mana's body has been modified by DEM to enhance her combat abilities. As payment she dies in about 10 years.
We know 3 more strong wizards:
- Artemisia, who in a comatose now.
- Origami, who is a spirit. Well, even in "main" timeline she is a spirit, who killed her parents. May endless discuss about "egg" and "chinken"with these time-travels, but on one side it was before she joined AST & DEM.
- Ellen - ?
Also, Jessica died after cr-unit overload too.
So, is there any infos about Ellen and her "payment" ? Coz about Mana & Artemisia we know, Origami is the spirit with Metatron.
Superbia
2014-06-15, 10:59
About Mana and Ellen...
As is well known Mana's body has been modified by DEM to enhance her combat abilities. As payment she dies in about 10 years.
We know 3 more strong wizards:
- Artemisia, who in a comatose now.
- Origami, who is a spirit. Well, even in "main" timeline she is a spirit, who killed her parents. May endless discuss about "egg" and "chinken"with these time-travels, but on one side it was before she joined AST & DEM.
- Ellen - ?
Also, Jessica died after cr-unit overload too.
So, is there any infos about Ellen and her "payment" ? Coz about Mana & Artemisia we know, Origami is the spirit with Metatron.
Artemisia Ashcroft's coma isn't because of a payment for power, but DEM sacrificing her for the sake of making the Ashcroft series of CR-units.
Wow. BTW have Origami met Artemisia before?
Kitarlis
2014-06-15, 12:52
Maybe Shido meets her (Artemisia) in past..
Also Kurumi has target - 2nd spirit (captured by DEM). Maybe she is it:rolleyes:
P.S. About Ellen. I just want say her power coudnt be from nothing. And if we know something about Mana, Artemisia (that issue may cover another), Origami - we dont know anything about Ellen.
Or just new fun date with Ellen appears:)
Death Usagi
2014-06-15, 13:17
And that comes with the bonus of being naked after the kiss...
If it's Origami, I suggest other spirits should stand guard in secret... you have no idea what will happen next...
Already posted this like three times already I think, but here we go again:
The OBVIOUS order of what happens when Origami gets sealed:
Shidou and Origami kisses
Origami goes nude
Origami proceeds to deep kiss tongue to tongue
Shidou blushes and goes awkward (O... Origami!!! What are you doing?!)
Origami pushes down Shidou and prepares to do the deed by taking off his pants (Now, let us make children Shidou, for the sake of our love)
Tohka and the other Spirits stops them in dismay and Natsumi punches or kicks Shidou for the R-18 scene.
The afterward is obvious, because surely Origami is going to live with the other Spirits in the apartment, and considering they right besides Shidou's house, Origami definitely going to appear right besides Shidou on his bed during the morning (Too bad it's not Kurumi who gets to do this first o3o)
tuckersister
2014-06-15, 14:43
There's a high probably that Origami would abuse her teleportation capability to be with Shido.
Breimoon
2014-06-15, 15:19
Shido in shower, Origami teleports in.
Death Usagi
2014-06-15, 15:42
There's a high probably that Origami would abuse her teleportation capability to be with Shido.
Shido in shower, Origami teleports in.
^This
Pretty much going to happen for sure :D
Superbia
2014-06-15, 16:03
There's a high probably that Origami would abuse her teleportation capability to be with Shido.
Not just Origami. Kurumi has already shown that her ability to appear from shadows is excellent for appearing in front of Shidou whenever she wants.
Artemisia Ashcroft's coma isn't because of a payment for power, but DEM sacrificing her for the sake of making the Ashcroft series of CR-units.
She got a picture?
She got a picture?
yep (http://msnkkan.blogspot.com/2013/08/good-manners-and-customs.html) her mind is in the suits the rouge English AST squad stole In Data a Strike (takes place before or during Volume 3). Their whole goal is to try to use them to wake her. A side note the equipment Origami used to raid DEM was likely theirs.
Xero8420
2014-06-15, 21:18
There's a high probably that Origami would abuse her teleportation capability to be with Shido.
Soon she'll be the spirit of cockblocking. :heh:
By the way, I think Ellen secretly being a spirit would be an interesting plot twist. Let's say when she was found out to be a human-turned spirit, she was captured by DEM and was tortured till she forgot what she really was and submit herself to Westcott's service.
Miraluka
2014-06-15, 21:38
Soon she'll be the spirit of cockblocking. :heh:
By the way, I think Ellen secretly being a spirit would be an interesting plot twist. Let's say when she was found out to be a human-turned spirit, she was captured by DEM and was tortured till she forgot what she really was and submit herself to Westcott's service.
No no no!
This should happen.
- Ellen turns into a spirit.
- Returns to DEM and Ike.
- Feeling conflicted still tries to help Ike's goals.
- She is used as sacrifice goes through an unfathomable pain.
- Shidou appears out of nowhere to saver.
- Let the date battle begin!
Death Usagi
2014-06-16, 01:56
Something is weird though. If she was a hidden spirit or something, what would that make Ellen's sister, Karen?
Xero8420
2014-06-16, 02:01
No no no!
This should happen.
- Ellen turns into a spirit.
- Returns to DEM and Ike.
- Feeling conflicted still tries to help Ike's goals.
- She is used as sacrifice goes through an unfathomable pain.
- Shidou appears out of nowhere to saver.
- Let the date battle begin!
Not until she obtain a Sephira crystal from Phantom with a desire to become even more powerful than anyone else on Earth. But I would have a big smile on my face when her wish has severely backfired by Ike and DEM. Conflicted with her choice between remain in DEM and join Shido. Engulfed by superiority complex and hate. And then turn Inverse, and threaten to wage a rage of fury and bloodshed to every single human being and spirit on Earth.
Trung-t-rung
2014-06-16, 03:31
Not until she obtain a Sephira crystal from Phantom with a desire to become even more powerful than anyone else on Earth. But I would have a big smile on my face when her wish has severely backfired by Ike and DEM. Conflicted with her choice between remain in DEM and join Shido. Engulfed by superiority complex and hate. And then turn Inverse, and threaten to wage a rage of fury and bloodshed to every single human being and spirit on Earth.
And getting her ass kicked as a result.:D
Xero8420
2014-06-16, 03:51
And getting her ass kicked as a result.:D
No... Shido intervenes and fights her until he kisses her. That, Ellen goes "f*** my life" and will forever be miserable under Shido's chain, the man she used to despise. :heh:
Anyway...
@Usagi
We don't know much about Karen. So I couldn't tell if Karen might be a spirit candidate without her official debut.
Algester
2014-06-16, 04:07
I still dont know why you guys insist Ellen will become a spirit... when even if you decode her name you will only get roman numeral 2... I mean SURE... 2... but she barely represents characteristics of Chokmah
Color Gray
trait of being Wise and selfless (this would probably coincide the first spirit who arrived number 2 was the one who started the mess in the first place)
next we have number 6 Tiferet
Color Yellow
Associated with adornment... what could be the closest profession...
if we can consider Kurumi representing both Da'at and Binah
right now what's important is how did the fist arrived spirit ended up with DEM in the first place and if ever what is she doing in DEM or what is DEM doing to her if everyone is thinking that Ellen might be the one then... probably there's something more deep to her character than being an avid protector of Ike... (brainwashing? and physical modification?)
Xero8420
2014-06-16, 04:15
I still dont know why you guys insist Ellen will become a spirit... when even if you decode her name you will only get roman numeral 2... I mean SURE... 2... but she barely represents characteristics of Chokmah
Color Gray
trait of being Wise and selfless (this would probably coincide the first spirit who arrived number 2 was the one who started the mess in the first place)
next we have number 6 Tiferet
Color Yellow
Associated with adornment... what could be the closest profession...
if we can consider Kurumi representing both Da'at and Binah
right now what's important is how did the fist arrived spirit ended up with DEM in the first place and if ever what is she doing in DEM or what is DEM doing to her if everyone is thinking that Ellen might be the one then... probably there's something more deep to her character than being an avid protector of Ike... (brainwashing? and physical modification?)
It wasn't insisting that she "will be one". I meant "If Ellen is one". Just speculating the possibilities, so nothing should be taken seriously.
Anyway, I'm thinking that the 2nd Sephira spirit would appear first before the 6th. It probably mean to completing the circle before unveilling the "core".
PS: I wonder did Ashcroft had a connection with spirits? If so, then the wizard unit could be a product linked with spirits.
SineMora
2014-06-16, 04:21
Well, I'm not, actually, I was wishing for Shido to cut the pacifist act against ASTs. Just who knows what Shido does when he's dead serious.
He can freeze Ellen, or the one I've been wanting for for weeks, Stop her time, strap her in the Sandalphon (the throne, not the sword) then make Sandalphon divide itself into 5 parts LIKE THIS (http://youtu.be/xS3WMXvkCSY?t=15s) cutting apart her hands and feet away from the body as quick as possible, remove the restraints, and let her crawl in the ground for size,
THEN CAUTERIZE HER WITH CAMAEL!!! To further extend her suffering for a lifetime, keep her as Shido's training bag, or Hate Sink.
OH.... DO IT IN FRONT OF WEEEBOOCOTT... afterwards, CAUSE A SPACEQUAKE INSIDE WEEBOOCOTT
Trung-t-rung
2014-06-16, 05:07
Well, I'm not, actually, I was wishing for Shido to cut the pacifist act against ASTs. Just who knows what Shido does when he's dead serious.
He can freeze Ellen, or the one I've been wanting for for weeks, Stop her time, strap her in the Sandalphon (the throne, not the sword) then make Sandalphon divide itself into 5 parts LIKE THIS (http://youtu.be/xS3WMXvkCSY?t=15s) cutting apart her hands and feet away from the body as quick as possible, remove the restraints, and let her crawl in the ground for size,
THEN CAUTERIZE HER WITH CAMAEL!!! To further extend her suffering for a lifetime, keep her as Shido's training bag, or Hate Sink.
OH.... DO IT IN FRONT OF WEEEBOOCOTT... afterwards, CAUSE A SPACEQUAKE INSIDE WEEBOOCOTT
I'd rather see either him or Tohka did this to her new Cr Unit/ flying ship.
Complete with "RULES OF NATURE!" in the background.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3bHENs9-2A
The title for vol 11 might be revealed soon. What do you think it will be? I think it might be Tobiichi Past or Tobiichi Devil/Demon
kampfer91
2014-06-16, 05:45
Or the reason why Origami like Shidou so much to the point of stalking him .
Crackpot theory : the 2nd spirit that DEM captured is Shidou 's mother :P
A big question is how does Kurumi know DEM has a spirit captured? If this information came from Phantom we might need to take it with a grain of salt since it might be nothing more then another attempt from Phantom to have Kurumi interact with Shidou in order for her to be sealed, so there may be little to no truth to DEM having a spirit in captivity.
The other option is she put the information together herself but that doesn't prevent her information from being out of date or just plain wrong. One thing that volume 9 brought up was Ellen talked about removing the Seraph Crystals from Natsume as if she had either seen it done or has done it herself. Now barring the 6th spirit's crystal whose status we don't know, Phantom Has had all of the Crystals that are not in a spirit. So one strong possibility is that Phantom took them from DEM and may have been the captured spirit for a time herself.
kusabireika
2014-06-16, 08:05
Or the reason why Origami like Shidou so much to the point of stalking him .
Crackpot theory : the 2nd spirit that DEM captured is Shidou 's mother :P
Or shidou was capture by dem in the past in the guise of shiori, probably the time power of kurumi was malfunction or was done by the phantom :heehee:
It just out of the blue speculation so don't be mad at me :T_T:
cyberdemon
2014-06-16, 08:41
Something is weird though. If she was a hidden spirit or something, what would that make Ellen's sister, Karen?
If she wasn't it doesn't mean her sister is anything. Just that a Sephira core could have been used on one but not the other.
Trung-t-rung
2014-06-16, 09:13
If Shidou's sealing power is genetic, I wonder if Mana could do the same or at least has some kind of special power.
Or the reason why Origami like Shidou so much to the point of stalking him .
Crackpot theory : the 2nd spirit that DEM captured is Shidou 's mother :P
Properly be revealed in the next volume.
The 2nd spirit does have a good chance of turning out to be Shidou 's mother, it would properly explain how DEM captured her and why Wescot knows about Shidou past.
Kitarlis
2014-06-16, 12:55
I still dont know why you guys insist Ellen will become
if we can consider Kurumi representing both Da'at and Binah
Da'at - gray - Reine ?
There are possibly two generations of spirits, the first generation where comes the first spirit haci as the second (which is the mother of shidou and mana), and some more. The second generation are the spirits with crystals sephiras
If there were generations, I doubt all of them were complete, let's say out of 10 there were only less than a half, which is a different situation as of now where there we have 8/10.
For example Efreet, Metatron, Gabriel existed in the past but got killed. Phantom retrieved their crystal sephira and got new vessels after 30 years.
With all the talk about Ellen being a spirit I decided to look up the names a bit
Karen Nora Mathers
Karen - Pure
Nora - Light
Mathers - Son of Mather- Powerful army
Ellen Mira Mathers
Ellen - Light
Mira - Bitter also could be Admirable
Mathers - Son of Mather- Powerful army
As mentioned before the unknown 6th spirit's place on the tree of life has a major association with light. It also has association to balance.
It still is a bit farfetched but it is starting to seem a little less unlikely that Ellen and Karen were a spirit at one time
cyberdemon
2014-06-16, 15:25
Properly be revealed in the next volume.
The 2nd spirit does have a good chance of turning out to be Shidou 's mother, it would properly explain how DEM captured her and why Wescot knows about Shidou past.
Yeah. Guessing DEM kidnapped Mana when they couldn't capture their mother since Mana would be a half spirit. This forced her to trade herself for Mana's safety resulting in her capture and imprisonment (little good that did since they used Mana as a test subject afterwards) after she gave Shidou to the Itsuka family to try to hide him from DEM as well.
kampfer91
2014-06-16, 16:31
Yeah. Guessing DEM kidnapped Mana when they couldn't capture their mother since Mana would be a half spirit. This forced her to trade herself for Mana's safety resulting in her capture and imprisonment (little good that did since they used Mana as a test subject afterwards) after she gave Shidou to the Itsuka family to try to hide him from DEM as well.
I thought about this for sometime .
The DEM can track Tohka and other spirit in their sealed form , that mean they may be already know about this through the 2nd spirit they capture .
And how did they capture the spirit before got their hand on the Anti-spirit equipment ? Unless she was already weak at that time , or willing to be captured .
Second , Was Kotori the 1st one to know Shidou 's ability ? Or there are other who already know about that and tell Kotori . Which lead to the question , who is Shidou 's father ?
Phantom knew about Shidou's ability she even implies that her plan was to have him seal Kotori all along. Also it's not clear how well they can track seal spirits the were able to find Tohka mainly based on Origami's reports and later they likely were just watching Shidou
I thought about this for sometime .
The DEM can track Tohka and other spirit in their sealed form , that mean they may be already know about this through the 2nd spirit they capture .
And how did they capture the spirit before got their hand on the Anti-spirit equipment ? Unless she was already weak at that time , or willing to be captured .
Second , Was Kotori the 1st one to know Shidou 's ability ? Or there are other who already know about that and tell Kotori . Which lead to the question , who is Shidou 's father ?
Perhaps when a spirit is pregnant it inherits its powers and in so doing she loses them
Xero8420
2014-06-17, 00:17
Perhaps when a spirit is pregnant it inherits its powers and in so doing she loses them
Hmmm... father is a human, while mother is a spirit... I wonder how the two met, then fall in love, making love and then got pregnant? :heh:
If so, then I can assume that Shido's charm on spirits must be inherited from his father. :heh:
And keep in mind that both Shido and Mana had amnesia.
cyberdemon
2014-06-17, 01:15
I thought about this for sometime .
The DEM can track Tohka and other spirit in their sealed form , that mean they may be already know about this through the 2nd spirit they capture .
And how did they capture the spirit before got their hand on the Anti-spirit equipment ? Unless she was already weak at that time , or willing to be captured .
Second , Was Kotori the 1st one to know Shidou 's ability ? Or there are other who already know about that and tell Kotori . Which lead to the question , who is Shidou 's father ?
exactly as I stated in my speculation. They kidnapped the younger and weaker Mana forcing her to turn herself into them for her daughter's life. The anti-spirit euipment probably came about from doing studies on her abilities.
Phantom knew about Shidou's ability she even implies that her plan was to have him seal Kotori all along. Also it's not clear how well they can track seal spirits the were able to find Tohka mainly based on Origami's reports and later they likely were just watching Shidou
I also think that Phantom is a projection of the second spirit aka Shidou's and Mana's mother. The intent of using Kotori who couldn't stand the power of a spirit normally was because she wanted Shidou to obtain the healing powers of Ifrit but was unable to use the Sephira crystal on him since he is male. so she took advantage of his sealing abilities to do so.
Perhaps when a spirit is pregnant it inherits its powers and in so doing she loses them
I have considered this as an option as well and it could explain the Yamai twins. Rather than being one before, their mother was the spirit before and they inherited her abilities which ended up splitting between them either when she conceived them or (and this is more my guess) she died and it naturally passed onto them as her daughters.
Hmmm... father is a human, while mother is a spirit... I wonder how the two met, then fall in love, making love and then got pregnant? :heh:
If so, then I can assume that Shido's charm on spirits must be inherited from his father. :heh:
And keep in mind that both Shido and Mana had amnesia.
Perhaps she was human original and became a spirit through a sephira crystal later in her life. I actually expect all the current spirits were human originally but transformed into spirits through the crystals. Several like Tohka and Yoshino forgot and ones like the Yamai twins memories are a bit mixed up probably because they were ones who spent a lot of time in the other dimension compared to the others. I'm guessing the sephira crystals were created from breaking off of the original spirit during the massive space quake from 30 years ago.
Mana's amnesia is probably more from the trauma of the experiments done on her. Shidou's was probably because Phantom wiped his memories after the events of originally sealing Kotori.
Xero8420
2014-06-17, 04:27
With all the talk about Ellen being a spirit I decided to look up the names a bit
Karen Nora Mathers
Karen - Pure
Nora - Light
Mathers - Son of Mather- Powerful army
Ellen Mira Mathers
Ellen - Light
Mira - Bitter also could be Admirable
Mathers - Son of Mather- Powerful army
As mentioned before the unknown 6th spirit's place on the tree of life has a major association with light. It also has association to balance.
It still is a bit farfetched but it is starting to seem a little less unlikely that Ellen and Karen were a spirit at one time
Hmm... As I went through the Tree of Life/Sephiroth chart, it seems like the 6th is the aspect of beauty.
Question is, how does light associates with beauty?
RegulusNemea
2014-06-17, 04:33
Guys,what if the first spirit represents the whole sephiroth tree. But that doesn't mean the first spirit splited into 10 spirits. Just like the Timelord cards at Yu-Gi-Oh 5D's
Shinji103
2014-06-17, 05:19
Just a reminder to any of those considering getting it, Date A Live Ars Install pre-orders are starting to sell out at stores such as AmiAmi.
Guys,what if the first spirit represents the whole sephiroth tree. But that doesn't mean the first spirit splited into 10 spirits. Just like the Timelord cards at Yu-Gi-Oh 5D's
THIS! This guy! I had a similar theory, so I am gonna disagree. The eleventh one represents God himself, so it doesn`t make that much sense. However, Phantom, who can make people into spirits, or Shidou, that can acquire spirit powers make more sense to fit into that, right?
Hmm... As I went through the Tree of Life/Sephiroth chart, it seems like the 6th is the aspect of beauty.
Question is, how does light associates with beauty?
I refer you to this tree of life (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Tree_of_Life_2009_large.png)
Xero8420
2014-06-17, 07:06
I refer you to this tree of life (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Tree_of_Life_2009_large.png)
Fair enough. I can see 'light' association in the aspect of beauty.
As I see through again... Strange... Was Yamai's Angel supposed to be named Micheal, but turned out to be Rapheal? :twitch: :confused:
Wait a minute... does it mean that both 6th and 8th have "swapped"? :confused:
If so, then the 6th could be related to Yamai twin's case.
PS: Folks... Not sure if you guys had already figured this out, but... I'm beginning to realize that the Inverse spirits are most probably associated with the Tree of Death/Qliphoth Tree (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_death_(Kabbalah)). See the Nehemoth at the 10th?
PPS: And I even noticed the surname Mathers was associated with Qliphoth too.
Fair enough. I can see 'light' association in the aspect of beauty.
As I see through again... Strange... Was Yamai's Angel supposed to be named Micheal, but turned out to be Rapheal? :twitch: :confused:
Wait a minute... does it mean that both 6th and 8th have "swapped"? :confused:
If so, then the 6th could be related to Yamai twin's case.
PS: Folks... Not sure if you guys had already figured this out, but... I'm beginning to realize that the Inverse spirits are most probably associated with the Tree of Death/Qliphoth Tree (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_death_(Kabbalah)). See the Nehemoth at the 10th?
PPS: And I even noticed the surname Mathers was associated with Qliphoth too.
Ok, let`s try some information analysis here... Hmmm. Westcott knew about Sephirah inversion beforehand, probably testing it before. Ellen is rather a loyal and powerful follower that has some parallels to the trees and her surname seems to match the Qliphoth... Ok, it`s a long shot here, but if we assume here, Ellen maya be a spirit he somehow inversed and turned into a servant or something like that.
Yeah, forget it, not even I believe in my own theory...
Xero8420
2014-06-17, 08:06
Ok, let`s try some information analysis here... Hmmm. Westcott knew about Sephirah inversion beforehand, probably testing it before. Ellen is rather a loyal and powerful follower that has some parallels to the trees and her surname seems to match the Qliphoth... Ok, it`s a long shot here, but if we assume here, Ellen maya be a spirit he somehow inversed and turned into a servant or something like that.
Yeah, forget it, not even I believe in my own theory...
Going back to the theory of either Ellen or Karen could be a spirit... It's clear that neither are on the 2nd, as far as we speculate. However, I'm beginning to suspect both Ellen and Karen are on the 6th as twins due to the "swapped" relation with the Yamai twins in terms of the Angel names swapped between the two. But, both could represent two separate entity. Let's say Karen represents Sephiroth, while Ellen represents Qliphoth.
Superbia
2014-06-17, 11:26
As I see through again... Strange... Was Yamai's Angel supposed to be named Micheal, but turned out to be Rapheal? :twitch: :confused:
Wait a minute... does it mean that both 6th and 8th have "swapped"? :confused:
If so, then the 6th could be related to Yamai twin's case.
Going back to the theory of either Ellen or Karen could be a spirit... It's clear that neither are on the 2nd, as far as we speculate. However, I'm beginning to suspect both Ellen and Karen are on the 6th as twins due to the "swapped" relation with the Yamai twins in terms of the Angel names swapped between the two. But, both could represent two separate entity. Let's say Karen represents Sephiroth, while Ellen represents Qliphoth.
That's not necessarily the case. Some consider the 6th and 8th sephira to be represented by both Michael and Raphael, so it's not they swapped, but that the author just chose to use the other angel of their sephira.
Though that could be related to the reason why there are two spirits in the Hod sephira, so Tiferet's sephira might be the same.
Kitarlis
2014-06-17, 12:21
Just find via google (sorry if it's a "necropost")
I. Ehieh
II. Iah
III. Elohim
IV. El
V. Elohim Gibor
VI Eloah
VII. Iehova Sabaoth
VIII. Elohim Sabaoth
IX. Elchai vel:Sadai
X. Adonai
So we ~ know names of 2nd and 6th astral dress
Just find via google (sorry if it's a "necropost")
I. Ehieh
II. Iah
III. Elohim
IV. El
V. Elohim Gibor
VI Eloah
VII. Iehova Sabaoth
VIII. Elohim Sabaoth
IX. Elchai vel:Sadai
X. Adonai
So we ~ know names of 2nd and 6th astral dress
Been known for a while that tree of Life I posted above has all of them in in it. The full name of 6 is jehovah aloah va daath
Kitarlis
2014-06-17, 12:41
Been known for a while that tree of Life I posted above has all of them in in it. The full name of 6 is jehovah aloah va daath
I noticed, sorry:innocent:
Miraluka
2014-06-17, 13:13
Wasn't 10 Adonai Melek?
Miku is Shaddai El Chai.
Origami is Aheyeih Asher Aheyeih.
Natsumi is Yahweh Tzabaoth.
Kitarlis
2014-06-17, 14:12
So why i was named it with "~". )
For example:
via kagato3 link
1. Eheieh
7. Jehovah Tzabaoth
9. *
10. Adonai ha Aretz
---
Via google i also noticed another variations of tree with "cyan" - chokmach and "transparent" or "gray" - da'at. So why possible for da'at be Phantom (Reine - "zero" ?:confused:), and Tiphareth - "Michael" or "Phanuel".
So we should find another (author) version of tree )
P.S. Imho, it's low chance for another spirit be "double", because just "hod" links with gemini (zodiac).
Xero8420
2014-06-17, 21:11
So why i was named it with "~". )
For example:
via kagato3 link
1. Eheieh
7. Jehovah Tzabaoth
9. *
10. Adonai ha Aretz
---
I wonder what are these represents?
Though Sephiras were named in this way:-
1. Kether/Crown (Metatron)
2. Chokmah/Wisdom (Ratziel)
3. Binah/Understanding (Tzaphkiel)
4. Chesed/Mercy (Tzadkiel)
5. Geburah/Severity (Khamiel)
6. Tiphareth/Beauty (Rapheal/Micheal??)
7. Netzah/Eternity/Victory (Haniel)
8. Hod/Glory (Micheal/Rapheal??)
9. Yesod/Foundation (Gabriel)
10. Malkuth/Kingdom (Sandalphon)
Inverse side will represents the Tree of Death/Qliphoth:-
1. Thamiel/Duality (Satan)
2. Chaigidel/Confusion (Beelzebub/Belial)
3. Sathariel/Concealment (Lucifuge)
4. Gamchicoth/Devourer (Astaroth)
5. Golachab/Burning Bodies (Asmodeus)
6. Thagirion/Those Who Bellow Grief and Tears (Belphegor)
7. Harab Serapel/Ravens of the Burning (Baal)
8. Samael/Desolation (Adrammelech)
9. Gamaliel/Pollution (Lilith)
10. Nehemoth/Lilith/Queen of Night/Night Specter (Nehemah)
Inverse Tohka's position seems somewhat confusing, though. Cause a few sources stated that 10th is Lilith (but was argued to be Nehemoth), while Lilith is Gamaliel's Demon (assume this to be Inverse Miku's).
whats this news about the author just intending it to be really a short series and is now waiting for publishers to expanded it or something
FB post i saw to BT
Last news. Date a Live novels are currently going through a complex situation. According to the own author's confirmation he claimed that at first he made DAL as a short light novel without thinking of the minimum possibility that his bevoled and new novel would reach one of the most sold in Japan. By that time he totally forgot about his own though of how short DAL was, so he started to expand it until he reached where we are now 10 novels. The main problem remains here, because of his decission of only making less or 10 novels, he's put himself in the "what do I do now?" He carefully explained in detail he only got the rights to make just 10 novels and becuase of that he's having trouble (I didn't think my novel would be this popular) so he developed as much as he could to make it larger. Right now Tachibana is waiting for his publisher to confirm if he can continue the story by giving him the rights to make 10 novels more however...... if they decline it, then Tachibana would be forced to finish DAL in 2 or 3 novels..... This situation is bad, not only for us but for all the people who are fans of the novels around the world and of course for the own Tachibana..... The 11th novel will be out on august but after that, we don't know what will happen next....
SineMora
2014-06-17, 22:13
If spirit no. 2 controls space... and was captured by DEM...
SHE'S THE ONE BEHIND THE REALIZERS?!?!?!
Okay... The gloves are off Weaboocott, put on the big boy pants... cause I demand your head on a plate.
Xero8420
2014-06-17, 22:13
whats this news about the author just intending it to be really a short series and is now waiting for publishers to expanded it or something
FB post i saw to BT
Last news. Date a Live novels are currently going through a complex situation. According to the own author's confirmation he claimed that at first he made DAL as a short light novel without thinking of the minimum possibility that his bevoled and new novel would reach one of the most sold in Japan. By that time he totally forgot about his own though of how short DAL was, so he started to expand it until he reached where we are now 10 novels. The main problem remains here, because of his decission of only making less or 10 novels, he's put himself in the "what do I do now?" He carefully explained in detail he only got the rights to make just 10 novels and becuase of that he's having trouble (I didn't think my novel would be this popular) so he developed as much as he could to make it larger. Right now Tachibana is waiting for his publisher to confirm if he can continue the story by giving him the rights to make 10 novels more however...... if they decline it, then Tachibana would be forced to finish DAL in 2 or 3 novels..... This situation is bad, not only for us but for all the people who are fans of the novels around the world and of course for the own Tachibana..... The 11th novel will be out on august but after that, we don't know what will happen next....
I wish the publisher allow him to continue, or else it will be an undone series. Its mysteries will remain unresolved, which would be quite a waste. :upset:
crimsonflair
2014-06-17, 23:04
whats this news about the author just intending it to be really a short series and is now waiting for publishers to expanded it or something
FB post i saw to BT
Last news. Date a Live novels are currently going through a complex situation. According to the own author's confirmation he claimed that at first he made DAL as a short light novel without thinking of the minimum possibility that his bevoled and new novel would reach one of the most sold in Japan. By that time he totally forgot about his own though of how short DAL was, so he started to expand it until he reached where we are now 10 novels. The main problem remains here, because of his decission of only making less or 10 novels, he's put himself in the "what do I do now?" He carefully explained in detail he only got the rights to make just 10 novels and becuase of that he's having trouble (I didn't think my novel would be this popular) so he developed as much as he could to make it larger. Right now Tachibana is waiting for his publisher to confirm if he can continue the story by giving him the rights to make 10 novels more however...... if they decline it, then Tachibana would be forced to finish DAL in 2 or 3 novels..... This situation is bad, not only for us but for all the people who are fans of the novels around the world and of course for the own Tachibana..... The 11th novel will be out on august but after that, we don't know what will happen next....
Oh mighty god of the light novel (blonde twin tsundere), give him hope.
Miraluka
2014-06-17, 23:12
whats this news about the author just intending it to be really a short series and is now waiting for publishers to expanded it or something
FB post i saw to BT
Last news. Date a Live novels are currently going through a complex situation. According to the own author's confirmation he claimed that at first he made DAL as a short light novel without thinking of the minimum possibility that his bevoled and new novel would reach one of the most sold in Japan. By that time he totally forgot about his own though of how short DAL was, so he started to expand it until he reached where we are now 10 novels. The main problem remains here, because of his decission of only making less or 10 novels, he's put himself in the "what do I do now?" He carefully explained in detail he only got the rights to make just 10 novels and becuase of that he's having trouble (I didn't think my novel would be this popular) so he developed as much as he could to make it larger. Right now Tachibana is waiting for his publisher to confirm if he can continue the story by giving him the rights to make 10 novels more however...... if they decline it, then Tachibana would be forced to finish DAL in 2 or 3 novels..... This situation is bad, not only for us but for all the people who are fans of the novels around the world and of course for the own Tachibana..... The 11th novel will be out on august but after that, we don't know what will happen next....
Damn old news dude.
Reread previous pages.
Damn old news dude.
Reread previous pages.
oh was it?my bad
Xero8420
2014-06-18, 00:27
I'm currently conducting a thorough research not only on the tree of life and death (Sephiroth & Qliphoth), but also the Kabbalah in a nutshell.
And I found some interesting details as I came across with, which are yet to be brought out here.
By the way, with all the 10 Sephiroths united and combined, Da'at exist. So I bet that Da'at is likely to be Shido, with all 10 Sephira essences sealed in him.
Seems like Tachibana did a lot of homework beforehand, did he?
cyberdemon
2014-06-18, 01:35
If spirit no. 2 controls space... and was captured by DEM...
SHE'S THE ONE BEHIND THE REALIZERS?!?!?!
Okay... The gloves are off Weaboocott, put on the big boy pants... cause I demand your head on a plate.
Highly likely. Realizers seem like attempts to copy a spirits ability
TankGoat
2014-06-18, 02:22
whats this news about the author just intending it to be really a short series and is now waiting for publishers to expanded it or something
FB post i saw to BT
Last news. Date a Live novels are currently going through a complex situation. According to the own author's confirmation he claimed that at first he made DAL as a short light novel without thinking of the minimum possibility that his bevoled and new novel would reach one of the most sold in Japan. By that time he totally forgot about his own though of how short DAL was, so he started to expand it until he reached where we are now 10 novels. The main problem remains here, because of his decission of only making less or 10 novels, he's put himself in the "what do I do now?" He carefully explained in detail he only got the rights to make just 10 novels and becuase of that he's having trouble (I didn't think my novel would be this popular) so he developed as much as he could to make it larger. Right now Tachibana is waiting for his publisher to confirm if he can continue the story by giving him the rights to make 10 novels more however...... if they decline it, then Tachibana would be forced to finish DAL in 2 or 3 novels..... This situation is bad, not only for us but for all the people who are fans of the novels around the world and of course for the own Tachibana..... The 11th novel will be out on august but after that, we don't know what will happen next....
Wasn't that a short note on Author talking about what DAL was back when it was before vol5 or something? Or is this new news? If it is latter case do you have a source? thx
omegasereon
2014-06-18, 02:29
Wasn't that a short note on Author talking about what DAL was back when it was before vol5 or something? Or is this new news? If it is latter case do you have a source? thx
Afterwords of Vol 9 talked about the licensing issue.
Xero8420
2014-06-18, 04:28
If spirit no. 2 controls space... and was captured by DEM...
SHE'S THE ONE BEHIND THE REALIZERS?!?!?!
Okay... The gloves are off Weaboocott, put on the big boy pants... cause I demand your head on a plate.
Weaboocott?? Where did this coming from? :heh:
Highly likely. Realizers seem like attempts to copy a spirits ability
The 2nd Sephira spirit... It seems to be associated with "creation" too. I guess DEM captured the 2nd not only for "knowledge", but also to create an equipment to counter spirits from her.
However, I think the 2nd Sephira spirit is unlikely to be human-turned by Phantom.
Speaking of the 2nd Sephiroth, it is closely-linked to the 3rd Sephiroth, Binah. And both needs to exist together, because both 2nd and 3rd represent the intellectual conscience of Sephira. With Chokhmah as an energy source, and Binah as an engine. Without either one, it's nothing.
I wonder if Kurumi has a spiritual connection with the 2nd Sephira spirit?
tuckersister
2014-06-18, 05:34
I still the first Spirit split into two after being defeat by someone. Remember six months after that spacequake, she disappeared. So someone must have beaten her.
I think Vol 12 will deal with the 2nd Sephira. So basically, another DEM raid. I am very positive she is Shido's mother.
Mana's spirit ability will revealed in Vol 11. She is Shido's sister, she's got to have some power.
Xero8420
2014-06-18, 05:52
I still the first Spirit split into two after being defeat by someone. Remember six months after that spacequake, she disappeared. So someone must have beaten her.
I think Vol 12 will deal with the 2nd Sephira. So basically, another DEM raid. I am very positive she is Shido's mother.
Mana's spirit ability will revealed in Vol 11. She is Shido's sister, she's got to have some power.
That's what I guessed. First, the 2nd Sephira. Then, proceed to find out the 6th Sephira.
2nd Sephira? Shido's mother? Wait, wait, wait... I begin to doubt it. :confused: I mean, she might be too old to be a Sephira spirit. And it might not fit well for Shido's spirit harem. A mother in the male lead's harem? No way... :heh:
Though I can't forget that someone mentioned that Shidou's mother could either be a pure spirit or human-turned spirit.
I wonder... was the 2nd spirit Kurumi looking for is a Sephira or the original generation?
Trung-t-rung
2014-06-18, 06:36
That's what I guessed. First, the 2nd Sephira. Then, proceed to find out the 6th Sephira.
2nd Sephira? Shido's mother? Wait, wait, wait... I begin to doubt it. :confused: I mean, she might be too old to be a Sephira spirit. And it might not fit well for Shido's spirit harem. A mother in the male lead's harem? No way... :heh:
Though I can't forget that someone mentioned that Shidou's mother could either be a pure spirit or human-turned spirit.
I wonder... was the 2nd spirit Kurumi looking for is a Sephira or the original generation?
How about an older sister ? Does spirit even age like normal human ?
I remember that even powerful Wizard looks younger than their real age in one of the side story.
Breimoon
2014-06-18, 06:46
if shidou can absorb spirits power while they are normal, can Mana seal their inverse form? Or maybe Shidou's mother will be able to? I really wonder how they are going to stop that power.
cyberdemon
2014-06-18, 08:41
That's what I guessed. First, the 2nd Sephira. Then, proceed to find out the 6th Sephira.
2nd Sephira? Shido's mother? Wait, wait, wait... I begin to doubt it. :confused: I mean, she might be too old to be a Sephira spirit. And it might not fit well for Shido's spirit harem. A mother in the male lead's harem? No way... :heh:
Though I can't forget that someone mentioned that Shidou's mother could either be a pure spirit or human-turned spirit.
I wonder... was the 2nd spirit Kurumi looking for is a Sephira or the original generation?
she is likely a human turned spirit. My guess is most of the current spirits are. It's just a matter of if they even remember. She's just from an older generation than the current ones.
Doesn't mean she would be in his harem. If anything years of captivity and likely the draining of her powers for the realizer technology would leave her really weak and probably on the verge of death when they find her (likely why Westcott was so eager to get his hands on Tohka originally since it was said she had a lot of mana within her). My guess is she dies after seeing Shidou and Mana again and Mana ends up taking up her Sephira crystal to avenge her afterwards.
Xero8420
2014-06-18, 09:20
she is likely a human turned spirit. My guess is most of the current spirits are. It's just a matter of if they even remember. She's just from an older generation than the current ones.
Doesn't mean she would be in his harem. If anything years of captivity and likely the draining of her powers for the realizer technology would leave her really weak and probably on the verge of death when they find her (likely why Westcott was so eager to get his hands on Tohka originally since it was said she had a lot of mana within her). My guess is she dies after seeing Shidou and Mana again and Mana ends up taking up her Sephira crystal to avenge her afterwards.
Ah crap! Not another incest notion! D:
That would mean that Shido got to make Mana to fall in love with nii-sama. GOD DAMN SISCON!
Trung-t-rung
2014-06-18, 09:31
Ah crap! Not another incest notion! D:
That would mean that Shido got to make Mana to fall in love with nii-sama. GOD DAMN SISCON!
I'd prefer if Mana stays as she is, simply a normal sister who respects her brother, and having an obsession over Kurumi:p.
Xero8420
2014-06-18, 09:49
Though it might be a possibility that the 2nd spirit Kurumi was looking for might already died. If Mana has a spirit power while possesses the Sephira crystal of the 2nd spirit who might be Shido's mother, then Mana might have became the new 2nd spirit.
Mana being the 2nd Sephira spirit bonding with Kurumi would burn the house down if Mana don't stop being overprotective of nii-sama. :heh:
No guys, if Mana were to be the next spirit then there would be foreshadowing, just like Origami did.
Xero8420
2014-06-18, 10:39
No guys, if Mana were to be the next spirit then there would be foreshadowing, just like Origami did.
Then we shall find out in Vol. 11.
Looking forward to see Inverse Origami Astral Dress and her demon Satan.
Miraluka
2014-06-18, 11:05
I doubt we'll see much of Mana on vo.11.
Origami is on the spotlight.
I doubt we'll see much of Mana on vo.11.
Origami is on the spotlight.
If we aren't lucky enough it'll mostly be that the most of the book will follow
Shidou around, and at the very end it will have cameos of anyone-you-want-
to-see when he returns.
Kitarlis
2014-06-18, 12:08
Mana doesnt look like as *wisdom* person, srry.
And Shido shouldn't be Da'at if his mother or real sister are spirits. What 'll be with connections between sephiras in this case ?
Miraluka
2014-06-18, 12:16
Mana doesnt look like as *wisdom* person, srry.
And Shido shouldn't be Da'at if his mother or real sister are spirits. What 'll be with connections between sephiras in this case ?
Why not?
Shidou Being an "empty", a non spirit being that can get any Spirit's mana to him which means all of them will converge with him at the center. Pretty much what Sephirot diagram tells.
Kitarlis
2014-06-18, 12:21
She didnt recognize Kurumi fun with her, and really didnt see as artful or sly person. Well maybe I mistake.
Shido should seal everyone spirit.. and have got similar link with them ("double" - spirit + family by blood isnt similar, imho)
Death Usagi
2014-06-18, 14:46
I would definitely welcome incest route with Mana so we can get more brother complex fights between Mana and Kotori :p
Superbia
2014-06-18, 15:32
Mana's spirit ability will revealed in Vol 11. She is Shido's sister, she's got to have some power.
It might not be as simple as an ability. Remember Reine's analysis of Mana in Volume 3.
To increase the brain wavelengths, it is a must to implant the brain with tiny devices. Origami and the rest of the AST are the same, there should be some protrusion like a horn in the midst of their hair.
However——Mana's body has already far surpassed that kind of degree.
That is......to say that her body has become similar to that of a spirit.
It's only assumed that her body is like that only because of DEM, but it might be that her spirit like body is because she's Shidou's sister and received later augmentations. Shidou might have inherited the ablility to hold spirit power while Mana inherited the body to use spirit powers.
tuckersister
2014-06-18, 18:24
It's only assumed that her body is like that only because of DEM, but it might be that her spirit like body is because she's Shidou's sister and received later augmentations. Shidou might have inherited the ablility to hold spirit power while Mana inherited the body to use spirit powers.
That was what I was thinking. Shidou can wield a Spirit Power while Mana can utilize it to full use.
theories and conspirancies never end in this thread do they? it's funny to read actually
Xero8420
2014-06-18, 21:47
theories and conspirancies never end in this thread do they? it's funny to read actually
Even more fun to speculate around the Kabbalah Tree of Life as it relates to Sephira Spirits.
Things that could happen in volume 11.
Shidou is to find with reine but did not recognize it and she is a spirit who pretends to be a normal girl.
You will find with her mother and mana girl, discovers that her mother visited the one mana per year and by that time has a photo of her with shidou.
You will find with ryoko and arose as takamiya shidou, and possibly the sister of tama-chan
imbuement
2014-06-19, 00:48
I have a crazy thought about vol 11: Tohka will kiss and wake inverse Origami up, that help Shido able to seal her.
Xero8420
2014-06-19, 02:03
I have a crazy thought about vol 11: Tohka will kiss and wake inverse Origami up, that help Shido able to seal her.
Spirit kiss other spirit? Impossible! And it would just add fuel into the flame in Origami.
By the way, I found something rather interesting from the Tree of Life. I discovered that Binah represents the Superior Mother, while Malkuth is the Inferior Mother.... That sounds rather condescending for both Kurumi and Tohka. :heh:
But, both Binah and Malkuth seem to have a close and deep connection between them.
PS: You guys may as well take a look at the Tarot version of Tree of Life (http://www.corax.com/tarot/index.html?tree-of-life).
Kether is Ace, Chokhmah is Knight, Binah is Queen, Tiphareth is Prince and Malkuth is Princess.
Seems like the Tarot do have a relation with the spirits too.
Shinji103
2014-06-19, 03:16
The Ars Install websaite has been updated with three more CGs in the Gallery (http://www.compileheart.com/date/ars/#/gallery) ("WHAT THE?!" on that last one :twitch:) and another voice sample for each of the main heroines (http://www.compileheart.com/date/ars/#/chara). They also have a countdown voice leading up to the release.
Also, there's some kind of text in the upper left corner of the website's top page, but it's blocked by the menu.
Xero8420
2014-06-19, 03:32
The Ars Install websaite has been updated with three more CGs in the Gallery (http://www.compileheart.com/date/ars/#/gallery) ("WHAT THE?!" on that last one :twitch:) and another voice sample for each of the main heroines (http://www.compileheart.com/date/ars/#/chara). They also have a countdown voice leading up to the release.
Also, there's some kind of text in the upper left corner of the website's top page, but it's blocked by the menu.
LOL! I've seen that CG before.
"RIP, Yoshinon" :heh:
Are you talking about news announcement?
Just saw this commercial for BD vol 3 of second season: http://youtube.com/watch?v=E5VlYuBBP2w
So Ep 5-6 will also have extra scenes of at least 7 minutes. Perhaps later episodes will also have extra scenes. I think we really should evaluate the 2nd season from the BD version.
Xero8420
2014-06-19, 10:53
Just saw this commercial for BD vol 3 of second season: http://youtube.com/watch?v=E5VlYuBBP2w
So Ep 5-6 will also have extra scenes of at least 7 minutes. Perhaps later episodes will also have extra scenes. I think we really should evaluate the 2nd season from the BD version.
Well that's good to hear. At least they try their best to fix the flaws of the TV show version, which seems to be an "unfinished" product sent to the commercial market.
Oh, I'm tempted to buy one after when I hear this news! Cause I'm looking forward to see how they fix Miku arc! Cause this particular arc seemed "weak". >.<
Trung-t-rung
2014-06-19, 11:03
Well that's good to hear. At least they try their best to fix the flaws of the TV show version, which seems to be an "unfinished" product sent to the commercial market.
Oh, I'm tempted to buy one after when I hear this news! Cause I'm looking forward to see how they fix Miku arc! Cause this particular arc seemed "weak". >.<
More Yamai school scene, it seems.:)
Shinji103
2014-06-19, 11:12
Are you talking about news announcement?Behind the tex box for the news anouncement, there's some text embedded in the front page image.
Xero8420
2014-06-19, 11:17
More Yamai school scene, it seems.:)
But I want more Miku scenes, please~! >.<
Cause I wanna bust some audiences' misunderstanding on her! People were being like "hurr durr why was she standing there doing nothing while Shido was about to seemingly killed in front of her!". It definitely need to be fixed and they knew that it was poorly-executed.
Kitarlis
2014-06-19, 11:44
Even more fun to speculate around the Kabbalah Tree of Life as it relates to Sephira Spirits.
Eh, I just worry why some ppl ignored here this fact:
1. white sephira - "white" hair (Origami)
2. ? gray ?
3. black sephira - "black" hair (Kurumi)
4. blue sephira - "blue" hair (Yoshino)
5. red sephira - "red" hair (Kotori)
6. ? yellow ?
7. green sephira - "green" hair (Natsumi)
8. orange sephira - "orange" hair (Yamai)
9. light indigo / moon sephira - "light indigo / moon" (Miku)
10. extra violet / "true earth" sephira - "extra violet" hair (Tohka)
What kind of hair colour got Mana ?! Just please dont say "blue", coz for this spot - now full squard.
Xero8420
2014-06-19, 12:04
Eh, I just worry why some ppl ignored here this fact:
1. white sephira - "white" hair (Origami)
2. ? gray ?
3. black sephira - "black" hair (Kurumi)
4. blue sephira - "blue" hair (Yoshino)
5. red sephira - "red" hair (Kotori)
6. ? yellow ?
7. green sephira - "green" hair (Natsumi)
8. orange sephira - "orange" hair (Yamai)
9. light indigo / moon sephira - "light indigo / moon" (Miku)
10. extra violet / "true earth" sephira - "extra violet" hair (Tohka)
What kind of hair colour got Mana ?! Just please dont say "blue", coz for this spot - now full squard.
I don't think Malkuth is violet/purple. It has no specific color to associate with. Miku's hair don't look like indigo to me, though. However, hair color is not the primary association of Sephiroth. It's more into characteristics of the aspect of Sephiroth, and identities are heavily associated with it too. Plus, the planet name associates with the spirit's angel element, like Saturn represents time, Mars represents fire etc. But I'm curious about Jupiter. Is it associate with water? :twitch:
By the way, can anyone "decrypt" Mana's identity? So that we could find out if she's fitting to be the candidate of the 2nd.
BTW Kannazuki Kohei has true gold hair. I'm sure Kotori must already have a plan
for this situation, but hope it won't be the future.
Kitarlis
2014-06-19, 12:46
Eh, just hope 6th will Ellen (sun light), seriously want to see her face via date with Shido)
Anyway, is she near ~20 years old, right ?
What do you think would happen to Shido if he make direct contact with Sephira Crysta.
Kitarlis
2014-06-19, 12:58
But I'm curious about Jupiter. Is it associate with water? :twitch:
Should be thunder & lightning (well at least in european tradition). Well "she is very similar to Ulquiorra Cifer, a loyal server that does not show expressions, does not speak much and blindly obey the orders of their leader" (villains wikia). So who knows;)
By the way, Origamy power should be 6th power too (Shemesh, Sun light etc). So maybe really author gives lighting to 6th spirit, because...
Death Usagi
2014-06-19, 12:58
What do you think would happen to Shido if he make direct contact with Sephira Crysta.
He turns into a real Shiori o3o
Death Usagi
2014-06-19, 13:04
The Ars Install websaite has been updated with three more CGs in the Gallery (http://www.compileheart.com/date/ars/#/gallery) ("WHAT THE?!" on that last one :twitch:) and another voice sample for each of the main heroines (http://www.compileheart.com/date/ars/#/chara). They also have a countdown voice leading up to the release.
Also, there's some kind of text in the upper left corner of the website's top page, but it's blocked by the menu.
Yeah, I remember that.
R.I.P. Yoshinon. You shall not be missed *evil laugh*
Kitarlis
2014-06-19, 13:44
Eh, sorry but another point for Ellen:eyespin:
Rhongomyniad is Ellen' attack.
"Excalibur is by no means the only weapon associated with Arthur, nor the only sword. Welsh tradition also knew of a dagger named Carnwennan and a spear named Rhongomyniad that belonged to him. Carnwennan ("Little White-Hilt") first appears in Culhwch and Olwen, where it was used by Arthur to slice the Very Black Witch in half. Rhongomyniad ("spear" + "striker, slayer") is also first mentioned in Culhwch, although only in passing; it appears as simply Ron ("spear") in Geoffrey's Historia. In the Alliterative Morte Arthure, a Middle English poem, there is mention of Clarent, a sword of peace meant for knighting and ceremonies as opposed to battle, which was stolen and then used to kill Arthur by Mordred. The Prose Lancelot of the Vulgate Cycle mentions a sword called Seure, which belonged to the king but was used by Lancelot in one battle." (wikipedia)
Also Ulquiorra has got spear attack too (spear of lighting and thunder). So.. very like that Ellen will 6th spirit with power of lighting.
cyberdemon
2014-06-19, 14:00
I don't think Malkuth is violet/purple. It has no specific color to associate with. Miku's hair don't look like indigo to me, though. However, hair color is not the primary association of Sephiroth. It's more into characteristics of the aspect of Sephiroth, and identities are heavily associated with it too. Plus, the planet name associates with the spirit's angel element, like Saturn represents time, Mars represents fire etc. But I'm curious about Jupiter. Is it associate with water? :twitch:
By the way, can anyone "decrypt" Mana's identity? So that we could find out if she's fitting to be the candidate of the 2nd.
break down this kanji of Mana's name, 崇 and you get the following kanji parts 二宀小山示
http://jisho.org/kanji/details/%E5%B4%87
It's a bit more hidden away than the others but it's a legit excuse.
It's kind of the opposite with Reine whose kanji has no numbers directly but 2 of them are Kanji parts that make up the kanji for 0
Kitarlis
2014-06-19, 14:10
break down this kanji of Mana's name, 崇 and you get the following kanji parts 二宀小山示
http://jisho.org/kanji/details/%E5%B4%87
It's a bit more hidden away than the others but it's a legit excuse.
Hehe, a bit like Hiroto Tonomachi
(http://date-a-live.wikia.com/wiki/Hiroto_Tonomachi)
http://jisho.org/kanji/details/%E6%AE%BF
- 一｜二ハ几又尸殳
P.S. Similar may say about each name...
Kitarlis
2014-06-19, 15:58
Eh(
So " - 一｜二ハ几又尸殳 " isnt *legit excuse* for Hiroto Tonomachi be 2nd and 1st spirit.
Even know *t's a bit more hidden away* ^^
Xero8420
2014-06-19, 19:43
By the way, Origamy power should be 6th power too (Shemesh, Sun light etc). So maybe really author gives lighting to 6th spirit, because...
In Kether, the above-consciousness, it has nothing, the hidden light. And it represents the universe, the cosmos as the whole.
break down this kanji of Mana's name, 崇 and you get the following kanji parts 二宀小山示
http://jisho.org/kanji/details/%E5%B4%87
It's a bit more hidden away than the others but it's a legit excuse.
It's kind of the opposite with Reine whose kanji has no numbers directly but 2 of them are Kanji parts that make up the kanji for 0
But remember mana's mother would also have that hidden 2 in it, and their are some hints that Reine is thier mother and she has grey hair. There are also hints she is the spirit Phantom. As a side note the Ma in Mana is also pronouncealbe as Shin
Oh and 10 has 4 colors linked to it black, red, green, and yellow. Tohka's hair is stated to be midnight black
Xero8420
2014-06-19, 20:19
^
Yeah, I was trying to mention that Malkuth has a combined multiple elements.
Eh, just hope 6th will Ellen (sun light), seriously want to see her face via date with Shido)
Anyway, is she near ~20 years old, right ?
I think Ellen is in between 20s and early 30s. I hope she's not older than 25, if you know what I mean.
Ellen and Karen are stated to look as if they are in thier early 20's some of their conversations hint that ther were present when Woodman and Wescott had their falling out 30 years ago
cyberdemon
2014-06-19, 20:30
But remember mana's mother would also have that hidden 2 in it, and their are some hints that Reina is thier mother and she has grey hair. There are also hints she is the spirit Phantom. As a side note the Ma in Mana is also pronouncealbe as Shin
Oh and 10 has 4 colors linked to it black, red, green, and yellow. Tohka's hair is stated to be midnight black
I find it more likely that their mother is the 2nd spirit but an individual being from Reine. She's being held captive by DEM whose using her powers for their realizer technology. She'll die after they break in to save her and mana will become the spirit in her place. Phantom is a projection of hers using her powers to try and help Shido and Mana.
Meanwhile Reine isn't one of the ten spirits but is the origin of the powers also called spirit 0 and likely the one that Kurumi is looking for. Her powers were likely lost during the explosion 30 years ago which gave birth to the Sephira crystals allowing the more current generations to become spirits. She probably hopes to retrieve them using Shido.
Xero8420
2014-06-19, 20:55
I find it more likely that their mother is the 2nd spirit but an individual being from Reine. She's being held captive by DEM whose using her powers for their realizer technology. She'll die after they break in to save her and mana will become the spirit in her place. Phantom is a projection of hers using her powers to try and help Shido and Mana.
Meanwhile Reine isn't one of the ten spirits but is the origin of the powers also called spirit 0 and likely the one that Kurumi is looking for. Her powers were likely lost during the explosion 30 years ago which gave birth to the Sephira crystals allowing the more current generations to become spirits. She probably hopes to retrieve them using Shido.
And Shido becomes Da'at.
Although it's confusing to determine which one is Da'at the hidden Sephira. Reine or Shido? Reine name has a kanji character of 0, and her age was also remain unknown, which might be a likelihood that she might be either Da'at or the original spirit. But Shido has the power to seal and harvest spirit essences in him. With all ten combined, he would become Da'at.
Miraluka
2014-06-19, 23:13
Da'aat isn't 0 is the 11.
Other says there is no number.
Xero8420
2014-06-19, 23:45
Da'aat isn't 0 is the 11.
Other says there is no number.
Because Da'at is an invisible Sephira and is unknown in number. So it might go either way. But it's highly possible that Shido is one.
I have a theory about reine.
She is a spirit he met to shidou in the past, not recognize it by that it has another name and is younger (reine goes from city to city by going to the school to study and is very good for creating false identities and can that she created the false identity of tohka and the other girls) she doesn't sleep to avoid going to the other universe, when shidou goes back to the present, reine tells to be staying in that city and will call muramase reine shidou realizes who she is and asks him to rastarok and to conceal that it is a spirit.
In the first novel shidou called to reine by her last name and she tells him that calling people by name is a symbol of trust, perhaps she wanted to know if that shidou was that she knew, I think she wanted to shidou called it by its true name
cyberdemon
2014-06-20, 01:09
I have a theory about reine.
She is a spirit he met to shidou in the past, not recognize it by that it has another name and is younger (reine goes from city to city by going to the school to study and is very good for creating false identities and can that she created the false identity of tohka and the other girls) she doesn't sleep to avoid going to the other universe, when shidou goes back to the present, reine tells to be staying in that city and will call muramase reine shidou realizes who she is and asks him to rastarok and to conceal that it is a spirit.
In the first novel shidou called to reine by her last name and she tells him that calling people by name is a symbol of trust, perhaps she wanted to know if that shidou was that she knew, I think she wanted to shidou called it by its true name
she takes a lot of sleeping pills and is still unable to sleep. So that isn't the reason. I believe it was stated that drugs don't work on spirits which says a lot about the scene where she was chugging seeping pills in volume 1.
Xero8420
2014-06-20, 01:51
she takes a lot of sleeping pills and is still unable to sleep. So that isn't the reason. I believe it was stated that drugs don't work on spirits which says a lot about the scene where she was chugging seeping pills in volume 1.
Then Reine is likely to be an older generation spirit. O.O
Dang... I can imagine that his spirit harem has a few older ladies in it. :heh:
cyberdemon
2014-06-20, 02:03
Then Reine is likely to be an older generation spirit. O.O
Dang... I can imagine that his spirit harem has a few older ladies in it. :heh:
More likely reine was the original spirit rather than a older gen numbered spirit. Shido and manas mom is probably if an older generation though I don't expect her to survive after the revelation and her sephira crystal would pass on to some new like mana. He does need a true onee-chan type since all his current ones are his age or younger.
Xero8420
2014-06-20, 02:27
More likely reine was the original spirit rather than a older gen numbered spirit. Shido and manas mom is probably if an older generation though I don't expect her to survive after the revelation and her sephira crystal would pass on to some new like mana. He does need a true onee-chan type since all his current ones are his age or younger.
You know back then, initially we thought Natsumi is an onee-chan spirit. Until when Vol.7 was published, we were surprised that Natsumi is actually a loli. God damn, Tachibana has deceived us all. :upset:
But I wish Ellen will soon be the one for Shido. :heh:
SineMora
2014-06-20, 07:55
You know back then, initially we thought Natsumi is an onee-chan spirit. Until when Vol.7 was published, we were surprised that Natsumi is actually a loli. God damn, Tachibana has deceived us all. :upset:
But I wish Ellen will soon be the one for Shido. :heh:
Fuck it.... I'd rather wait for another spirit... Ellen is better off skinned and used as a doormat in the Itsuka residence...
Xero8420
2014-06-20, 08:20
Fuck it.... I'd rather wait for another spirit... Ellen is better off skinned and used as a doormat in the Itsuka residence...
Sorry... I rather prefer her to get screwed over by karma once she became a spirit, I'm afraid. I would be very intrigued to see her being conflicted with the choice between her loyalty for blood and her new destiny awaits with a massive twist of fate. :p :heh: :D
Not only is Reine and her plushie suspicious, but the way she stubbornly calls him "Shin". Maybe Shidou will meet her in the past and calls himself "Shin" so she won't know he's a time traveller. So now he wil know why she keeps calling him "Shin".
Xero8420
2014-06-20, 08:42
Not only is Reine and her plushie suspicious, but the way she stubbornly calls him "Shin". Maybe Shidou will meet her in the past and calls himself "Shin" so she won't know he's a time traveller. So now he wil know why she keeps calling him "Shin".
Shido or Reine being a time traveller? :confused:
Shido or Reine being a time traveller? :confused:
Kurumi being a time traveller. If she manages to use the 12th bullet, someone will go to the past. It`s very probable that Shidou will be one of the people, if not the only one.
Death Usagi
2014-06-20, 10:28
In case you guys forgot, she first called Shidou "Shintaro".
Xero8420
2014-06-20, 10:34
Kurumi being a time traveller. If she manages to use the 12th bullet, someone will go to the past. It`s very probable that Shidou will be one of the people, if not the only one.
Then... would there be a paradox or alternate timeline?
How and when would Shido realize it if he do have one? Unless he seals Kurumi's spirit essence.
If Shido becomes Da'at, then it's very possible for him to use all 10 spirit powers and angels.
Anyway, I think I could help to describe how Inverse spirits more or less look like based from the Tree of Death that I been through.
Kitarlis
2014-06-20, 13:04
^
I think Ellen is in between 20s and early 30s. I hope she's not older than 25, if you know what I mean.
Yeah, I mean.
In anime she looks with similar age with Tohka..
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