Mushoku Tensei -Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu- [WN]

[Yunyuki]

wasn´t there once a story in some other novel about much mana = longer life
maybe this logic will be used here as well (speculation on my part)

[SlendermanHD]

don't mind nanahoshi hypothesis, let's assume that the one who summoned them is tech. god or RuDEUS


@Ghiest He can use Nanahoshi method to survive till laplace revival

TG cant use that amount of mana to summon anything. about who did it im not sure.

[Tyrhunger]

Maybe it was just an accident and they're teleported there. Since Rudeus was dead, only his soul was transfered to the other world. Anyways there's a name for their world?

[Rageth]

wasn´t there once a story in some other novel about much mana = longer life
maybe this logic will be used here as well (speculation on my part)

But Alternate Timeline Rudeus was old, and his body was already failing him.
In MT, mana doesn't correlate with life in any way. The only thing that would even hint at that is how exhausting all your mana drain your stamina, but even then we haven't seen anyone die from it.

[Dumac]

But Alternate Timeline Rudeus was old, and his body was already failing him.
In MT, mana doesn't correlate with life in any way. The only thing that would even hint at that is how exhausting all your mana drain your stamina, but even then we haven't seen anyone die from it.

Wasn't it said, that lifespan can be prolonged by learning to refine mana

[vespertian]

Maybe Rudeus can't use chantless Healing magic because of the weak system? I mean, he died and has an experience with that, so he's afraid unconsciously of the light or something like that?

[Tyrhunger]

Ppl, didn't the future Rudeus could use Chantless Healing. The asshole just didn't gave too much thought on that.

[Destiny Knight]

Ppl, didn't the future Rudeus could use Chantless Healing. The asshole just didn't gave too much thought on that.

I think the reason the future rudy doesn't think too much about it is because he is so warped in revenge that he basically forget the possibility about it . Though if he still has a bodybuilder muscle then he kinda be like master roshi ..

[Tyrhunger]

I think the reason the future rudy doesn't think too much about it is because he is so warped in revenge that he basically forget the possibility about it . Though if he still has a bodybuilder muscle then he kinda be like master roshi ..

I was meaning the Present Rudeus just didn't learnt chantless Healing because he isn't trying hard enough.

[Tenzen12]

You are absolutely right. If present Rudeus tried hard I am sure he would be able use chantless healing magic in two or three decades too.

[Dumac]

You are absolutely right. If present Rudeus tried hard I am sure he would be able use chantless healing magic in two or three decades too.

I might not even take that long, Rudy simply does not understand the concept of internal mana needed to operate chantless healing, while he masters external mana of attack magic allowing to cast any spell chantlessly on the second try. His inability to use Touki probably goes from his Laplace factor : stronger the factor = more mana = harder to manifest Touki. It also may be because the half soul of Demon God Laplace lost the ability to use techniques = Touki.

[Tenzen12]

If I remember correctly RuDeus mastered chantless healing along with other non-standart magics (voice, gravity ect...) after he realised magic true potential and it's principles. Actualy I don't he would be able do it before that happens.

I think it's not wrong in Rudeus case put healing on same level as voice magic that shouldn't be possible properly utilise with normal human body.

[Rageth]

Wasn't it said, that lifespan can be prolonged by learning to refine manaWhen and where? I just started rereading MT again 2 weeks ago, and am at Volume 20, and haven't seen anything like that mentioned at all.

Ppl, didn't the future Rudeus could use Chantless Healing. The asshole just didn't gave too much thought on that.No, nothing like that was stated. Future Rudeus just said that he managed to regenerate his arm; this could have just as easily been through learning all the healing spells, like how with Orsted he learned all the chants up to Saint-rank, or maybe through a magic circle.

[imram]

I was meaning the Present Rudeus just didn't learnt chantless Healing because he isn't trying hard enough.

I remember kadi said somewhere in this thread that rudy learned chantless healing to intermediate level

[tpnguyen]

I remember kadi said somewhere in this thread that rudy learned chantless healing to intermediate level

Every abilities even Future Fudy has can be found in the last 2 chapters of volume 15 and first 2 chapters of volume 16 (in other words, what we know so far). As far as in the TL text, there's no indication even he can use chantless healing magic, he did state he learn Healing up to Saint Level at somet point in the Diary though. In order to regrow his arm, he only need to learn it King Rank or above, chantless is not necessary.

Also, I dont know whether or not Present Rudy can succeed in learning chantless Healing if he puts 1 or 2 years of effort. However, I think he took the right approach. He tried to learn it chantless since childhood and tried multiple times in his younger years, most recent is when Silphy taught him again but no luck whatsoever. So he tries to expand the level of Healing instead of learning chantless method for it and hell if we know it can succeed or not. Proof is in volume 19, instead of wasting 1 year learning a skill that may (90%) fail, he expand both Healing and Detox to Saint Rank which is already much faster progress than his Future self.

If he had some pointers he may learn it chantless or he can put effort in learning so once reaching King or God Rank since that's when he can stop leveling the magic and specialize in speed

[ththth13]

Using touki and chantless healing magic are about being able to sense magical energy in your body. Something like inner mana, or ki. Rudy can feel 'outer' mana, and that's why he can use it chantless.

He cannot learn Touki at all, and he has tried do it from 5 years old. It's all connected together, so I doubt that he can learn it, no matter how he tries. It's not problem of having some realization. Laplace couldn't also learn to use touki, and he was supposed be genius and to know everything about magic.

Reasons are either his Laplace Factor, or him being reborn into the body without his own factor. His soul may be not proberly connected to his body. That's why he looks like his old self while meeting Hitogami. That's also what Kishirika saw, and she said it was dirty, and asked if twin brother died in the womb. Which may mean that soul is in the wrong body.

[CNine]

How to defeat demon emperorgive her donut[also works on GOD]
-it's very effective to the point that Kishirika want to marry him

next arc is Ruijerudo return!

this title chapter
-referred to Rudeus [Clairvoyant] demon eye[given to him after he give Kishirika donut
-that donut is super effective

She is actually FA~~~R STRONGER THAN ATOFE but never really using her power.
-she didn't want to do anything related to Hitogami.
-it's already clear that her fiancee is actually Amuro RayGundam pilot.
-Ruijerudo found in Belhill Kingdom along with Kalman III and Gisu.
-conclusion--> this chapter is really SS
-next chapter will be awesome, and can't wait for that

[z3r0x]

New chapter is out, which is the last chapter of v22.

Next volume is war it seems.

[Dumac]

New chapter is out, which is the last chapter of v22.

Next volume is war it seems.

Need a SUMMARY! :hyper-^v^:

[Tyrhunger]

O God!!! Spoilers Please. I can't handle my pressure.

[Zackarov]

found monkey's location.
there's 1 seven great power there.(probably Kalman III)
bald lolicon spotted near that place. okay...

[z3r0x]

found monkey's location.
there's 1 seven great power there.
bald lolicon spotted near that place. okay...

That feel when I mentioned about lolicon pal yesterday.

[El Rue]

And thus the current Story Arc once again ends. Typical of Kishirika to be lured by something tasty (Aisha made, Roxy approved).

We also learn a bit more history, also she gives Rudy a nice "gift" as well as some good info before parting.

[Dumac]

And thus the current Story Arc once again ends. Typical of Kishirika to be lured by something tasty (Aisha made, Roxy approved).

We also learn a bit more history, also she gives Rudy a nice "gift" as well as some good info before parting.

El Rue, bestow us your Godly summaries again :bow:

[El Rue]

Nah, being vague us fun...

[Kaezar]

El Rue, bestow us your Godly summaries again :bow:


Chapter is named 'The Second Eye' guess what the gift is?

[Dumac]

Nah, being vague us fun...

Tormenting us illiterate people :sad:
Kaezar, maybe you have an ETA for your chapter? You've been picking up speed lately
Anyone knows how's Imagelesskink doing?

[Kaezar]

Tormenting us illiterate people :sad:
Kaezar, maybe you have an ETA for your chapter? You've been picking up speed lately
Anyone knows how's Imagelesskink doing?

Even if I finish the chapter before him, I'm not going to publish it before IK does. It'll just feel wrong, it's a good chapter which gets build up by the previous chapter, meaning 232 and 233 are type of a full chapter, Anyway I am currently at 45% or so I guess. About IK, he's still kill.

AND HOW DO I CRUISE CONTROL?

EDIT -
OH, IT'S WORKING NOW. I PREVIOUSLY DID IT BUT FOR SOME REASON IT DIDN'T WORK. I WONDER WHY? WELL, WHATEVER.

[Dumac]

Even if I finish the chapter before him, I'm not going to publish it before IK does. It'll just feel wrong, it's a good chapter which gets build up by the previous chapter, meaning 232 and 233 are type of a full chapter, Anyway I am currently at 45% or so I guess. About IK, he's still kill.

AND HOW DO I CRUISE CONTROL?

EDIT -
OH, IT'S WORKING NOW. I PREVIOUSLY DID IT BUT FOR SOME REASON IT DIDN'T WORK. I WONDER WHY? WELL, WHATEVER.

Thanks for the news, guess we'll have to wait and pray for the resurrection of IK

[z3r0x]

Chapter is named 'The Second Eye' guess what the gift is?

The clairvoyance eye? Just perfect.

[Ghiest Cid]

The clairvoyance eye? Just perfect.

what is the difference between it and the first.

[Briollaire]

"T-, Thou art…… Rubens!"

"So close."

[z3r0x]

He can see thing that is faraway, help to find someone or smth.





Aka the monkey.

[Zackarov]

oh yeah, i forgot about the second eye... -_- damn you bald lolicon

[z3r0x]

>Chapter starts out with Kirshika's POV, being locked up in her pajamas after being tricked that she'd get to eat something good.
>Atofe and her argue, usual 'you're stupid
stuff.
>Rudy shows up and forcefully feed her donuts made by Aisha. She cries from happiness and located Gisu for him, him being at the island of Ogres like we all thought.
>Her clairvoyance is cut short by Hitogami and Kirishika gets unusually serious.
>Badigadi was the one who wore the fighting god armor in the past and apparently he still feels some sort of debt toward Hitogami and will likely become an enemy.
>Kirishika gives him his own Clairvoyance eye for free and promises to help against Hitogami in whatever way she can. She does hope he doesn't kill Badigadi if it comes to it, but Rudy doesn't think he could anyway.
>Atofe asks her to locate two people that should be very helpful to Rudy: Someone named Earl and the present North God.
>She doesn't cooperate so Rudy uses Randolf's ring.
>Earl is somewhere near Asura in an area with a high density of mana, so she can't pinpoint him.
>The north god is heading toward the ogre island.
>She breaks off her shackles like they were nothing and zooms off, laughing.
>Rudy returns home and gets a report that Ruijerd is going to the ogre place as well.
>Rudy decides to go there first.
>End volume.

[ththth13]

-There is a prisonner in Atofe's fortess, with chains and an ironball. It's Kishirika. She is taken to see Atofe. She calls her stupid, and makes her angry. Kishira says why torment her as she is innoncent...or not, as she starts remembering.
-Rudy is there, and he shows her a black box. Kishirika is terrified. Rudy takes out some strange thing, and makes her eat it. It's a donut, and it's super effective! Kishirika willing to do anything to get more of them.
-Rudy asks about Gisu. Kishirika finds him at Biheiru Kingdom. There is also someone with a bad face there, but then she is blocked. (by Hitogami)
-Kishirika asks if he is fighting against Hitogami. And if he is allied with Dragon god. She acts unusual, like some sage. She calls him closer, and strikes her fingers into his left eye. Rudy gets clairvoyance, and he can use it right away.
-Kishirika says Hitogami made Badigadi fight DG Laplace, and so this is return for it. She won't take part in the fight, but she gives this service.
-She also says that Badi may feel indepted to Hitogami, and asks not to kill him
-Kishirika destroys her chains, and tries to run while laughing, but Atofe catches her feet. She demands for her to find two guys who can help Rudy. She does not want to, but Rudy uses Randphold's ring.
-Another one is Asura kingdom, but he is somehow hidden from the view. Other one is in Biheiru kingdom. He is Kalman III. (North God)
-Kishirika finally makes her dramatic escape. Rudy returns home.
-Eris sits on the sofa, beastgirls are laying their heads on her knees, and she is rubbing them behind ears. They are totally surrendered to her.
-They tell Rudy that Ruijerd is found, and show him a letter. Rudy is happy, but then he finds out that Ruijerd is in Biheiru kingdom.
-Rudy knows it's a trap, but he still decides to go there, and fight.
-Next time it's the decisive battle. In the next volume.

[Ghiest Cid]

-There is a prisonner in Atofe's fortess, with chains and ironball. It's Kishirika. She is taken to see Atofe. She calls her stupid, and makes her angry. Kishira says why torment her as she is innoncent...or not, as she starts remembering.
-Rudy is there, and he shows her black box. Kishirika is terrified. Rudy takes out strange thing, and makes her eat it. It's a donut, and it's supereffective! Kishirka willing to do anything for get more of them.
-Rudy asks about Gisu. Kishirika finds him at Bineiru Kingdom. There is someone with bad face, but she is blocked.
-Kishirika asks if he is fighting with Hitogami. And if he is with Dragon god. She acts unusually, like some sage. She calls him closer, and strikes fingers into his left eye. Rudy gets clairvoyance, and he can use it right away.
-Kishirika says Hitogami made Badigadi fight DG Laplace, and so this is return for it. She won't take part in the fight, but she gives this service.
-She also says that Badi may feel indepted to Hitogami, and asks not to kill him
-Kishirika destroys chains, and tries to run while laughing, but Atofe catches her feet. She demands for her to find two guys who can help Rudy. She does not want to, but Rudy uses Randphold's ring.
-Another one is Asura kingdom, but he somehow hidden from the view. Other one is Biheiru kingdom. He is Kalman III.
-Kishirika finally makes her dramatic escape. Rudy returns home.
-Eris sits on the sofa, beastgirls laying their heads on her knees, and she is rubbing them behind ears. They are totally surrendered to her.
-They tell Rudy that Ruijerd is found, and show him a letter. Rudy
is happy, but then he finds out that Ruijerd is in Biheiru kingdom.
-Rudy knows it's a trap, but he still decides to go there, and fight.
-Next time it's the decisive battle. In the next volume.




Oh Eris. If only Rudeus can do metamorphism magic, they both be happy.

[InMyOwnMind]

-There is a prisonner in Atofe's fortess, with chains and ironball. It's Kishirika. She is taken to see Atofe. She calls her stupid, and makes her angry. Kishira says why torment her as she is innoncent...or not, as she starts remembering.
-Rudy is there, and he shows her black box. Kishirika is terrified. Rudy takes out strange thing, and makes her eat it. It's a donut, and it's supereffective! Kishirika willing to do anything to get more of them.
-Rudy asks about Gisu. Kishirika finds him at Bineiru Kingdom. There is also someone with bad face there, but then she is blocked.
-Kishirika asks if he is fighting with Hitogami. And if he is with Dragon god. She acts unusual, like some sage. She calls him closer, and strikes fingers into his left eye. Rudy gets clairvoyance, and he can use it right away.
-Kishirika says Hitogami made Badigadi fight DG Laplace, and so this is return for it. She won't take part in the fight, but she gives this service.
-She also says that Badi may feel indepted to Hitogami, and asks not to kill him
-Kishirika destroys her chains, and tries to run while laughing, but Atofe catches her feet. She demands for her to find two guys who can help Rudy. She does not want to, but Rudy uses Randphold's ring.
-Another one is Asura kingdom, but he is somehow hidden from the view. Other one is Biheiru kingdom. He is Kalman III.
-Kishirika finally makes her dramatic escape. Rudy returns home.
-Eris sits on the sofa, beastgirls laying their heads on her knees, and she is rubbing them behind ears. They are totally surrendered to her.
-They tell Rudy that Ruijerd is found, and show him a letter. Rudy is happy, but then he finds out that Ruijerd is in Biheiru kingdom.
-Rudy knows it's a trap, but he still decides to go there, and fight.
-Next time it's the decisive battle. In the next volume.




wait, only one volume left? WTF?

[Zackarov]

wait, only one volume left? WTF?

are you kidding me ?
how can you pack fighting gisu's army,meeting bald lolicon, waiting laplace resurect,figthing laplace(?),some onther thing, and fighting hitogami in one volume ?

[ththth13]

wait, only one volume left? WTF?

It's decisive battle only against Gisu. I doubt that it will end yet, but you never know.

[z3r0x]

Only the fight against monkey and friends. It's not like we can instantly jump 80 years in one volume.

the company loses, bad end.

[laclongquan]

Bad news! Laplace is already born. Around the time after the Teleportation Incident.

[Dont Say]

i guess badi really went to pick up Laplaces cursed armor.

[moriyako]

Today's new chapter is also mind-fuck.

Kishirika is STRONG.
Hitogami can do shit like Global-vision-block. ( < not a harmless shut-in Liar anymore )
Badi, Rujired... and Gisu.

Okay, Rudeus decided to go confront Hitogami's army. He might need to fight against :
1. Gisu
2. Badigadi ( with Armor )
3. Rujired (? or not )
4. Current Sword God. Plus some Sword Kings, Emperor (?)
5. Orge King (?)
6. Some "bad face" person ( North God, Fierce God ?)
7. Kalman III (?)
8. Hitogami ( ? through some Global spell )

Rudeus current team :
1. Rudeus
2. 3 wives
3. Zanoba
4. President Orsted
They are outnumbered, Rudeus need to call his new Allieds to back-up. I'm thinking who can come at the critical time like this.

[ththth13]

So, two opponents have been confirmed. They are North God and Ruijerd.

-Badigadi is almost certain, since Kishirika warned about him. Kishirika said something about the armor being destroyed, but that did not seem to be very certain.
-Fierce God is almost certain, too, since acces to his island is in that kingdom.

Rudy stopped his plans of visiting Sword God, yet again. So, he is also possible.

Most likely it's Rudy+his allies against North God, Ruijerd, Fierce god and Badigadi (maybe in Fighting god armor). Sword god is also possible.

Any bets how it will go? Ruijerd will certainly make Rudy hesitate, and maybe Eris too.

[z3r0x]

I don't think Zanoba will go, his combat potential/experience is low, nor all the wives, at least one need to stay home and protect the children.

Kalman III is Atofe's relative (?), Kalman II is Atofe's son, they are both North God iirc. So they may not be enemies (allies if lucky).

Ruijerd is probably in trouble against those guys, I don't think he could be enemy.

The monkey is useless in fighting, unless...
hypnosis magic.

[ththth13]

North God will definitely be an enemy. Remember that Rudy killed/caused death of the North emperor and both North kings. It would be very easy for Hitogami to make them fight against him. Restore the honour of North God style or something, or they may have been friends.

[Dont Say]

Ho ho ho. My prediction is
North god, Fierce god, Gisu, Ruijerd

vs RuDeus and Eris...Dunno if Roxy will join but i hope not. Can't image her going vs 'god' level characters. About Ruijerd..hm i guess he might convert but there will be a lot of lies and manipulation from gisu/Hito.

[moriyako]

Zanoba can handle Atofe for a while. And that guy is badass since his kingdom arc. I think he already create some thing to boost up his power ( like a special item for himself )

Perugius is busy with his work, plus he's not interesting in any one besides Laplace. He won't go.

President is a must. If he's not tagging along, I'll not go there if i'm Rudeus lol.

Kalman III is Atofe's husband, but he doesn't know that Atofe's Rudeus Allied yet. They would need Atofe to tag along. Maybe in the end, Atofe will need to fight her husband.

[Rageth]

Kalman III is Atofe's husband, but he doesn't know that Atofe's Rudeus Allied yet. They would need Atofe to tag along. Maybe in the end, Atofe will need to fight her husband.

That's not quite right.
Kalman was Atofe's husband; he's dead though, seeing as he was human and all.

[z3r0x]

Zanoba can handle Atofe for a while. And that guy is badass since his kingdom arc. I think he already create some thing to boost up his power ( like a special item for himself )

Perugius is busy with his work, plus he's not interesting in any one besides Laplace. He won't go.

President is a must. If he's not tagging along, I'll not go there if i'm Rudeus lol.

Kalman III is Atofe's husband, but he doesn't know that Atofe's Rudeus Allied yet. They would need Atofe to tag along. Maybe in the end, Atofe will need to fight her husband.

Her husband is long dead. Kalman I is her husband, Peru's friend, II is her son.

North God will definitely be an enemy. Remember that Rudy killed/caused death of the North emperor and both North kings. It would be very easy for Hitogami to make them fight against him. Restore the honour of North God style or something, or they may have been friends.

That sounds impossible to be a reason tbh. It's not like they went fighting Rudi by North God's order, but because they are rent with money.

[Breimoon]

North god vs Fierce god, Gisu and Ruijerd plus fodders vs Eris and RuDeus.

[ager0]

So it's probably Hitogami who caused the teleport incident back then, during that time Kishirika's vision was also blocked. But then that would mean Nanahoshi's summoning is caused by Hitogami??

[InMyOwnMind]

I don't really buy into Ruijerd being an enemy, though he might die saving Rudi and eris? Have to see.

[z3r0x]

So it's probably Hitogami who caused the teleport incident back then, during that time Kishirika's vision was also blocked. But then that would mean Nanahoshi's summoning is caused by Hitogami??

Just a thick mana environment can block Kishirika's vision, like Labyrinth's case.

Someone in 4ch said Earl is Atofe's son, aka Kalman II(?), he is MC of KDK SS.

[ager0]

Just a thick mana environment can block Kishirika's vision, like Labyrinth's case.

Someone in 4ch said Earl is Atofe's son, aka Kalman II(?), he is MC of KDK SS.

They just said in the previous post that Hitogami has an ability which blocks clairvoyance demon eye.

[imram]

I don't really buy into Ruijerd being an enemy, though he might die saving Rudi and eris? Have to see.

It is possible to trick him specially he feel indebted to hitogami . remember befor he part away with rudy The later told him about hitogami and he helped him because of his advice . also he fought orested and not in good relationship with him .
I think he will not fight rudy directly but will fight his allies if he bring some.

My prediction the enemies will be:
North god, Fierce god, Gisu, Ruijerd, badigadi vs Rudy, eris, earl(?) , and possibly orested

[Tyrhunger]

Shit is hitting the fan. Thank god i've started to read Antimagic Academy and enjoying it. It will help appease the suffering till the next release.

[z3r0x]

They just said in the previous post that Hitogami has an ability which blocks clairvoyance demon eye.

Even if Hitogami indeed has that ability, it does not mean he is the one caused the teleport incident. Mana was gathering in that place where the incident happened so it's not strange if she couldn't see.

[Zackarov]

death god VS north god(cause they are relative, cousin ?)
eris vs sword god (time to claim the god title)
rudy vs fighting god(badi) time to settle the score.
i think it's time for Mk.III debut :heh:
use rudy's child to lure bald lolicon...

[z3r0x]

use rudy's child to lure bald lolicon...

Gisu uses Lucy Greyrat [Loli Elf] - power 100.
Ruijerd takes 20 damage.
Orsted shields Ruijerd and take the rest of damage.

[eirvenxkie19]

This is getting serious.

Release date for the next volume of the web novel? (the war!)

[Zackarov]

Gisu uses Lucy Greyrat [Loli Elf] - power 100.
Ruijerd takes 20 damage.
Orsted shields Ruijerd and take the rest of damage.

how nice of you pedostred to take most of the damage.
although there's no real statement that sword god in gisu's side, we can tell that because of so much delay to meet that old man.

[aohige]

Donuts.
No one can resist the allure of donuts.

Just ask Miyamori, she'd agree.

[Destiny Knight]

When is the next release? At the end of the volume will be a turning point 5 where rudy child is being kidnapped! :D

[luinna]

nah rudy child must have a strong fate, even if they got kidnap they won't die, even rudy has been kidnapped numerous times

[Ghiest Cid]

nah rudy child must have a strong fate, even if they got kidnap they won't die, even rudy has been kidnapped numerous times

What is worrisome is that they might be brainwashed

[Destiny Knight]

nah rudy child must have a strong fate, even if they got kidnap they won't die, even rudy has been kidnapped numerous times

Nope don't hitogami say that rudy doesn't have strong fate as him and his wife?

[Dart-Sama]

Nope don't hitogami say that rudy doesn't have strong fate as him and his wife?

again... NEVER believe hitogami!

[Direwolf18]

Nope don't hitogami say that rudy doesn't have strong fate as him and his wife?

Cause that is a totaly reliable source of information right there.

[Rageth]

Nope don't hitogami say that rudy doesn't have strong fate as him and his wife?

Hitogami said that Rudi's children's fate isn't as strong as his own or his descendants.
Basically, even though he can't kill Rudy (or the descendant he saw), he can kill his kids much easier than Rudy or Roxy... I think is what was said.

Keep in mind that he said this as a threat to Rudy, so it COULD be a lie.

[Xellos-_^]

Nope don't hitogami say that rudy doesn't have strong fate as him and his wife?

again... NEVER believe hitogami!

Cause that is a totaly reliable source of information right there.

Hitogami said that Rudi's children's fate isn't as strong as his own or his descendants.
Basically, even though he can't kill Rudy (or the descendant he saw), he can kill his kids much easier than Rudy or Roxy... I think is what was said.

Keep in mind that he said this as a threat to Rudy, so it COULD be a lie.
Lara's fate is strong enough to push away the Savior and take his place.

[Destiny Knight]

Lara's fate is strong enough to push away the Savior and take his place.

I am guessing that laplace will kidnap rudy child literally

Then Lara will perform beastility with leo

[Superbia]

Hitogami said that Rudi's children's fate isn't as strong as his own or his descendants.
Basically, even though he can't kill Rudy (or the descendant he saw), he can kill his kids much easier than Rudy or Roxy... I think is what was said.

Keep in mind that he said this as a threat to Rudy, so it COULD be a lie.

There is a contradiction in Hitogami's talk about his children.

"Those descendants that have direct contact with Orsted also have strong fate like you. Not just you and your descendants, Sylphy's and Roxy's and Eris's existences are also very strong. Their children, well, likely the same. But women's fates becomes particularly ambiguous at times."

The way he gives an unsure answer description to the fate of his wives' children makes it seem like he isn't fully sure how strong their fate is. Or maybe it's because he can't tell how strong their fate is that he assumes it's weaker then theirs.

Though now that all of his children have had direct contact with Orsted, that fate may have been rewritten, like how Miko said she should live longer now that she is Orsted's subordinate. When Hitogami made that statement, Rudeus' children would have had no interaction with Orsted until he sent Rudeus to kill him.

Lara's fate is strong enough to push away the Savior and take his place.

That could be the effect of the Holy Beast becoming her subordinate. It was Rudeus' strong fate that probably summoned him, and that is what caused the position of savior to be shifted.

[Xellos-_^]

That could be the effect of the Holy Beast becoming her subordinate. It was Rudeus' strong fate that probably summoned him, and that is what caused the position of savior to be shifted.
in that case why lara and not lucy?

The Holy Beast being summon is a direct result of Lara being born as the savior. Her birth push aside the guy who would have being the savior.

[Blankdom]

That could be the effect of the Holy Beast becoming her subordinate. It was Rudeus' strong fate that probably summoned him, and that is what caused the position of savior to be shifted.

Nah, that one was cuz Rudeus saved the Holy Beast way back when -- remember how they bonded afterwards?

[yulinard]

Even when Rudy became A$$HOLE Lara managed to slip out the big picture with Zenith, Norn and Lilia, and eventually have alot of children (Elinalize style), linked up with Orsted and future male Hero and get Hitogami in the end.

Rudy is out of picture by that time so he dont like it and return to the past.

So its clear that killing Lara alone is almost impossible for Hitogami. Although Im not surprised if in A-hole Rudy time line Lara or Zenith actually ended up marrying Orsted.

[Hokoga]

Even when Rudy became A$$HOLE Lara managed to slip out the big picture with Zenith, Norn and Lilia, and eventually have alot of children (Elinalize style), linked up with Orsted and future male Hero and get Hitogami in the end.

Rudy is out of picture by that time so he dont like it and return to the past.

So its clear that killing Lara alone is almost impossible for Hitogami. Although Im not surprised if in A-hole Rudy time line Lara or Zenith actually ended up marrying Orsted.Lara was never born in A-hole Rudy's timeline because of Roxy getting magic stone disease, in that timeline Hitogami had successfully prevented Lara's birth.

[yulinard]

Lara was never born in A-hole Rudy's timeline because of Roxy getting magic stone disease, in that timeline Hitogami had successfully prevented Lara's birth.


Yep sorry. Lucy. Lucy alone is enough to finish Hitogami out. It seem her Elinalize and Sylphy lineage alowe her to breed anti Hitogami army.

[moriyako]

Future Rudy timeline is a failure. Orsted said : GG and quit the game, take another loop. Lucy can't do anything by herself anymore and i doubt if Lucy in Future Rudy timeline know who fucked up her family.

Lara's Fate maybe the strongest between the Rudy's childs. Cause she's a half-mirgurd who can survive for 80 years later, and fated to fight against Laplace. She might be one of those who killed Hitogami in the end, one of the main "murderer".

[yulinard]

In other time line thres no mention of Orsted. What we know is that Lucy along with Zenith, Lilia, Norn Elinalize and Clive is missing but mostlikely not dead. And the Stoy is told from Rudeus point of view, not Orsted. And whet drive Hitogami to extreme is that he now he will be killed by Rudy's kids with Orsted it might not be a fail loop for Orsted but since its bad end for Rudy, he dont like it and return to the past.

Although it definately a tough fight. Since Hero that will fight Laplace wont be born (Destruction of Asura Kingdom) but Laplace birthplace is secured (Shirone Republic). So I dont think it instant fail but it still not a good end for Rudy.

Lucy and Clive have elven lineage from Elinalize, they both can survive up to Laplace reborn.

[Blankdom]

You're forgetting Lucy only has around 1/8 Elven blood, so she might level a bit longer then normal humans, but I doubt it'll be by a whole lot.

[Ghiest Cid]

What I wonder is why hitogami let lucy be born yet killed lara. He even manipulated so that he would meet sylphy.

[yulinard]

What I wonder is why hitogami let lucy be born yet killed lara. He even manipulated so that he would meet sylphy.

Didnt Orsted already explain it to Rudeus? Hitogami power of seeing future of others arent that great. He cant see to distant future of someone else other than himself. Or else he would have Pax killed in Dragon Kingdom or when Rudeus rescuing Lilia and Aisha. Now Pax have a heir with claim to the throne and given that Shirone Republic is still 30 years ahead in the future there is a possibility of Shirone became Republic.

Or because Lucy fate eventually connected with Orsted he cant see her fate?

[laclongquan]

Note: Orsted stay in hard to reach place, and generally stay away from people.

His first scene is his resident in Dragon Hole with a swarm of Red Dragon around.

So we can infer that he move around a lot, and once he stay anywhere for longer time he stayed in a hard to read place, like a dungeon, to reduce the chance of encounter with human, and human's rejection.

In the other timeline, how would Other Rudeus get in contact with Orsted? The only method is a ring and instruction from Nanahoshi. Once she's gone, poof! No way to do so. Without clue how would you hunt a reclusive guy?

Note that the North God still alive and no mention at all (before this chapter) where he is.

[moriyako]

Although it definately a tough fight. Since Hero that will fight Laplace wont be born (Destruction of Asura Kingdom) but Laplace birthplace is secured (Shirone Republic). So I dont think it instant fail but it still not a good end for Rudy.
Lucy and Clive have elven lineage from Elinalize, they both can survive up to Laplace reborn.

First, Ariel failed = Asura Kingdom become weaker.
Second, in Future Rudy timeline, Pax already being banished from his kingdom. Chance of him ended up killing himself like the current timeline is very high. Hitogami used Rudeus to change Pax's future, so he will keep an eye for Pax and finish him anyway. So no Shirone Republic.

With those two above points, Orsted maybe already left that loop and try another one. Remember the Future Rudy was moving around and asking everyone for Hitogami. If Orsted still moving around, he should try to come and ask him for co-operate, but in the end, nobody saw Orsted. So no Orsted in Future Rudy timeline anymore.

Finally, Lucy only have 1/8 Elven blood, and she don't know anything about Hitogami and stuffs yet. Her mother is died, her father is a madman who got tons of enemy everywhere. No information about her enemy, no allied, no Orsted, no special power, I could say the chance of her winning against Hitogami is zero. Even in the current story timeline, Rudeus is struggled against the Hitogami faction.

There's a timeline that Hitogami got killed, but it's not the Future Rudy timeline. That timeline is doomed.

[laclongquan]

Dont forget that apostle of Hitogami in Dragon King Kingdom that surely not dead at the hand of Orsted in that timeline. Frankly, the days of Pax over there is numbered.

[Diamona]

Graaaah!
Use spoiler tags for these things! Some of us cannot read japanese and don't want to resort to google-translated gobbledygook. Things like being transported into the future, Nanahoshi and Hitogami's connection, and just about anything past chapter 232 are all Spoilerific.
*Ends dragon-rant*
…Sigh~~~

Well, let's all try guessing what's Hitogami's objective. Personally, I think his goal is to gain corporal form/leave the void world. This means that the 5 treasures have to be collected, but not in a way that ends with himself being brutally murdered with much prejudice by Orsted and Co.

[El Rue]

You're forgetting Lucy only has around 1/8 Elven blood, so she might level a bit longer then normal humans, but I doubt it'll be by a whole lot.
She also has a tinnie-tiny bit of Beast race lineage in her too from Sylphy's side.

[imram]

for sylpy and lucy:

sylphy strongly inherited the elve blood even when she is ¼ elve , her ear for example as she said herself longer than her father , and according to rudy her body and appearance will look like her grandmother after some years .
that why I think sylphy is closer to the elves than half elves despite being quarter elve .
I think lucy is closer to half elve, from the description I think her ears look like Rawls ( sylphys father) ears.
The effect of the Beast race lineage is non in sylphy therefore I don’t think lucy will inherit any things unless the ability to talk to leo.

[redhand]

With all this talk about Fate, I am not sure what Rifujin intends to do with Fate here.

As an example, forsight is similar to seeing Fate. When Rudeus is using the foresight eye, he sees many future possibilities. But sometimes, it is fixed. For example, when he is sparring against Ruijerd, he sees his defeat, regardless what he does.

And that comes about, because Ruijerd has a counter for everything Rudeus can do. In that sense, Ruijerd's Fate is strong in that fight.

If we use that as an example of Fate, someone's Fate is merely their ability to adapt toward their goal. Someone's Fate is strong, if they can make corrections to their life course, if and when their Fate is off track.

So Rudeus's Fate is strong, could merely mean he will take corrective actions toward his goal, and his ability to make correction is stronger than Hitogaki's ability to side track Rudeus's goal. For every interference Hitogami makes, Rudeus has a counter to get back on track, with Past Time Travel as the ultimate counter.

Similarly, Ariel's Fate is strong. And that becomes strong because she was able to make corrections to get things on track. She needs to the help of Tris. And she met Tris differently this loop when Rudeus help set them up. But once she met Tris, she took over and get things rolling. She did the actual heavy lifting in that case. To convince Perugius without Derrick, Ariel also did the heavy lifting once Rudeus lead her to the right starting point. All these corrective actions comes from Ariel herself, and that is why her Fate is strong.

Granted, Ariel did not and cannot make correction for every kind of problem she encountered. But she made enough to get back on her track toward becoming queen. Her Fate is strong enough.

Orsted also mentioned about the Fate of Eris. Eris's Fate is become a Sword Saint. In this loop, she becomes a Sword King. And in Chapter 163, Orsted said "Certainly, if Eris Boreas Greyrat held a little more judgement, if she were to study under a suitable master, I see... So this is what happens?".

The way the book is written, Fate is what you choose to do with your life, within certain limit of each person. So when Hitogami mentions Rudeus's descendents' Fate as strong, it would only because Rudeus is going to protect it, rather than some other independent force at work.

[ththth13]

I think that fate has to do with natural order of things rather than being some vague force. Hitogami tries to twist things to happen the way he wants, and he acts from outside of the world. So he changes events that would have naturally happened. I think that having strong fate simply means that person in question will affect a lot of other people and events in the future. So when Hitogami tries to change the events, he will same time affect all those things that would otherwise happen. Same goes for Orsted, since he is a time traveller.

[yulinard]

Finally, Lucy only have 1/8 Elven blood, and she don't know anything about Hitogami and stuffs yet.

She also has a tinnie-tiny bit of Beast race lineage in her too from Sylphy's side.


for sylpy and lucy:

sylphy strongly inherited the elve blood even when she is ¼ elve , her ear for example as she said herself longer than her father , and according to rudy her body and appearance will look like her grandmother after some years .
that why I think sylphy is closer to the elves than half elves despite being quarter elve .
I think lucy is closer to half elve, from the description I think her ears look like Rawls ( sylphys father) ears.
The effect of the Beast race lineage is non in sylphy therefore I don’t think lucy will inherit any things unless the ability to talk to leo.

Gene are not paint where when you mix red and yellow youll get green. In gene if you mix red and yellow youll ended with red and if that red is mixed again with blue it will also ended with red. There are dominant factor in Gene in which will constantly showup over and over in several generations. Elinalize gene for example keep elven features over 3 generations. 1/8 or 1/4 doesnt matter.

Elongated ears on Sylphy probably inherited from her mother. We dont know which beast race but from pic we know her ears is longer than elinalize and affected by gravity.

[ththth13]

Since Gisu is gathering allies, they will have opponents who are not Hitogami's apostles. There are people who have reasons to fight against Rudy/Orsted even without Hitogami's direct influence.

North God: A merchanary, so money / revenge for his disciplines.
Badigadi: May believe that Rudy is Laplace / feels debt to Hitogami.
Sword God: Eris was forced to serve Orsted.
Ruijerd: wants to save Rudy from Orsted / they are threatening kids.

That way they overcome limit of 3 persons. Then true apostles might be:

Fierce God: Becomes easily apostle. Gisu might have been talking to him.
That guy in Heaven Continent: also becomes easily apostle.
Tech God: That would be bad, but Orsted would have warned about him.
That Demon King: Probably not, he was already scared.

If Badigadi brings out Fighting God armor, then 3 of 7 World Powers will be their opponents. That would really be the decisive battle. Now it's Rudy's change to end up into 7 World Powers ranking. The rank number three would be nice.

[z3r0x]

North God: A merchanary, so money / revenge for his disciplines.
Badigadi: May believe that Rudy is Laplace / feels debt to Hitogami.
Sword God: Eris was forced to serve Orsted.
Ruijerd: wants to save Rudy from Orsted / they are threatening kids.


I don't even know if you are trying to make joke or being really serious here._.

[Destiny Knight]

Can anyone make a older rudy picture? I wonder how he will really look like cause I am curious hoho

[Ghiest Cid]

Can anyone make a older rudy picture? I wonder how he will really look like cause I am curious hoho

He look like his father so I imagine him looking just like his father.

[NicApple]

Can anyone make a older rudy picture? I wonder how he will really look like cause I am curious hoho

There's a fanart on pixiv.
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=47951867

The staff looks mismatched since he grown.

[hound297]

Hmm.. hitogami might have contacted Badigadi before he disappeared and tricked him into retrieving his armor and fighting Orsted?

It might go something like this:

Hitogami: Yo, Remember me ?
Badigadi: ! You again! What do you want ?!
Hitogami: I just wanted to give u a good piece of advice. Your friend (Rudi) was almost killed by the dragon god right ? Well here is abit of bad news for you - dragon god is finding your friend and will kill him. If you want to even have a chance to save your friend from the dragon god, you might want to retrieve that armor. Btw, its located at the bottom of the sea.
Badigadi: You are lying! I won't trust you anymore!
Hitogami: Oh ? Well suit yourself..then. Just don't regret your choice.

Since he might have been at a place far away he might not be aware of Rudeus becoming Orsted's ally. Even if he has heard the news, he might think Rudues is being forced to cooperate with Orsted and will try to "save" his friend from the "evil" dragon god.

[ththth13]

I don't even know if you are trying to make joke or being really serious here._.

That's how it will seem to anyone who does not know what really happened. Remember that both of them have met Orsted and felt his curse in full force. They believe that Orsted is the incarnation of all evil. Remember how Zanoba reacted to him.

Ruijerd can also be forced to join them by threatening some kids. He was buying medicine for someone.

[Destiny Knight]

There's a fanart on pixiv.
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=47951867

The staff looks mismatched since he grown.

Now I understand why roxy mother call him handsome but he looks generic?

[NicApple]

Now I understand why roxy mother call him handsome but he looks generic?

Well it's just a fanart. If you hope to see him in all his glory in action, have to wait for the official illustrations.

I'm hoping for the scene where Roxy is trapped and about to die when suddenly everything is frozen in front of her.

2 Page full colour spread.
Roxy at btm left corner.
Diagonal perspective shot of the entire place. (Somewhere that captures part of her side and back view)
All the monsters surrounding her frozen ice statues.

[Destiny Knight]

Well it's just a fanart. If you hope to see him in all his glory in action, have to wait for the official illustrations.

I'm hoping for the scene where Roxy is trapped and about to die when suddenly everything is frozen in front of her.

2 Page full colour spread.
Roxy at btm left corner.
Diagonal perspective shot of the entire place. (Somewhere that captures part of her side and back view)
All the monsters surrounding her frozen ice statues.

Its like a story of princess being saved by the prince haha

[SlendermanHD]

That's how it will seem to anyone who does not know what really happened. Remember that both of them have met Orsted and felt his curse in full force. They believe that Orsted is the incarnation of all evil. Remember how Zanoba reacted to him.

Ruijerd can also be forced to join them by threatening some kids. He was buying medicine for someone.

These are all matters of opinion, no one really knows whos going to be his enemy or not.

[Tenzen12]

He is with Gisu who recruiting powerful fighters for battle with Rudeus. That much is undeniable.

[maltygos]

Its like a story of princess being saved by the prince haha

more like Little blue Riding Hood meeting her wolf of the dungeon lol

[ththth13]

These are all matters of opinion, no one really knows whos going to be his enemy or not.

It's called speculation. Only three opponents are certainly there: North God, Ruijerd and Fierce God (he lives there). It would be too much coincidence for all of them end up there by chance, especially when Hitogami is involved.

Those three certainty won't match Rudy and Orsted together. Ruijerd can be used as a trump card against Rudy, but it certainly won't work against Orsted. Since Hitogami noticed them watching, he knows they will be coming. If they stay, it means they have gathered enough strenght to fight those two.

That means Badigadi and maybe Sword God and others. Kishirika would not mention Badi without good reason. Her eyes can see a lot, and she probably knows where her fiance is and what he is doing.

If they leave, then it means that they don't have enought allies yet. The battle will then happen in some other place, but I doubt it. The story seems to move into that direction.

[SlendermanHD]

It's called speculation. Only three opponents are certainly there: North God, Ruijerd and Fierce God (he lives there). It would be too much coincidence for all of them end up there by chance, especially when Hitogami is involved.

Those three certainty won't match Rudy and Orsted together. Ruijerd can be used as a trump card against Rudy, but it certainly won't work against Orsted. Since Hitogami noticed them watching, he knows they will be coming. If they stay, it means they have gathered enough strenght to fight those two.

That means Badigadi and maybe Sword God and others. Kishirika would not mention Badi without good reason. Her eyes can see a lot, and she probably knows where her fiance is and what he is doing.

If they leave, then it means that they don't have enought allies yet. The battle will then happen in some other place, but I doubt it. The story seems to move into that direction.

that is theory crafting like we all do if we dont know whats going to happen, north god and the sword god became enemies of orsted on other loops so is not incorrect to say that they will become enemies of him at this loop aswell, fierce god can actually become enemy of them aswell.

hitogame cant use his future insight on those under the protection of the dragon god. i havent read that chapter because it is not translated yet so idk if he had seen somebody else to know they are going.

badigadi and ruijerd i cant say for sure it depends on wether the autor wants to go that way or not.

[redhand]

It's called speculation. Only three opponents are certainly there: North God, Ruijerd and Fierce God (he lives there). It would be too much coincidence for all of them end up there by chance, especially when Hitogami is involved.

Those three certainty won't match Rudy and Orsted together. Ruijerd can be used as a trump card against Rudy, but it certainly won't work against Orsted. Since Hitogami noticed them watching, he knows they will be coming. If they stay, it means they have gathered enough strenght to fight those two.

That means Badigadi and maybe Sword God and others. Kishirika would not mention Badi without good reason. Her eyes can see a lot, and she probably knows where her fiance is and what he is doing.

If they leave, then it means that they don't have enought allies yet. The battle will then happen in some other place, but I doubt it. The story seems to move into that direction.

This battle seems to happen way too soon. Why now? Why not gather more strength and wait?

Rudeus can now tell the enemy's location, so he can't be caught off guard. It is always easier to have the enemy come to you, so you can set traps, have more allies to help you fight, instead of going to unfamiliar enemy territory and allow the enemy to set traps.

What is the rush to go into battle now?

[Breimoon]

He needs to go to Rudy before they start making preparations against his magic eye . And he does want to have Rujerd on his side if possible.

[Ghiest Cid]

So does that mean he have heterochromia.?

[hound297]

So does that mean he have heterochromia.?

Unless he is activating both eyes. If they are in their inactive state it looks normal.

[Firestar2471]

It's called speculation. Only three opponents are certainly there: North God, Ruijerd and Fierce God.

I don't recall the author making any comments to the effect that Ruijerd is an enemy. All we know is that he is in the area. Did you consider he might be made into an ally?

[NicApple]

I don't recall the author making any comments to the effect that Ruijerd is an enemy. All we know is that he is in the area. Did you consider he might be made into an ally?

I think at most he could be fed with half-truths and half-lies to trick him into Gisu's side. Then he realise midway and goes back to Rudy's side?

Something like... He heard about Rudy & Eris challenging Orsted. Then now Rudy's fame as Orsted's underling.

Gisu then tells him that Rudy and Eris was beaten senseless in their rematch, and Hitogami prophesied that Rudy's descendants are people who can greatly aid Orsted in destroying the world.

Knowing that, Orsted threatens to kidnap all of Rudy's children (Protector of lolis awaken) and Rudy have no choice but to serve under him to protect his family.

Then maybe last tidbit of info, he could say that Hitogami prophesied that Laplace will revive in Shirone republic and challenge Orsted who will destroy the world but because of Rudeus's actions under Orsted, he ruined the entire kingdom and prevent the future of Laplace being born there. Now, his last descendant was born and he's male and possess green hair, a laplace factor.

[aohige]

I would think Rudy can successfully convince Ruigeld to accept Orstead.
Because if anyone is familiar with being hated by all due to a curse, it's him.

Convincing Badhigadhi to switch sides will prove to be a much more difficult mission, as even after millenniums he still feels indebted to Hitogami.

[z3r0x]

It's called speculation

It's fine to speculate, but at least make it reasonable. Most of what you mentioned are baseless assumption.

North God: A merchanary, so money / revenge for his disciplines.

It's never mentioned in the novel how North God is. If he really want to revenge that much, he should have done that years ago, it's not like Rudi is hiding somewhere unknown.

Sword God: Eris was forced to serve Orsted.

We don't even know how he thinks about her. If he really like her and want to save her, he would have prevented her from fighting Orsted. Hence, he even made a comment like "she is as good as dead if fighting Orsted". Also Nina must have already informed him about Orsted company's motivate.

Ruijerd: wants to save Rudy from Orsted / they are threatening kids.

Ruijerd know perfectly Rudi is not someone who does reckless or unreasonable things, he most likely will listen to Rudi's reason first rather than blindly attacking Orsted.
>threatening kids
Back in the smugglers event, he said he could close his eyes to all the crime. Their relationship was not even as deep as now, Rudi is now like both a benefactor and friend of him. There is no way that could be a reason for him to fight against Rudi, if have to choose, I bet he would rather risking his life and save the kids.

[Waxman]

Do we know wich North God is wiht Gisu/Geese, IF he is Kalman II, son of Atofe we can make some assumptions.
.
In the Vol.12 it was said that Kalman II slayed the behemonth where they Lapan built and also that he went fighting demon lords and gigant dragons, if he is something like his mother he would like to be in a fight of that caliber regardless of the side.

[yulinard]

Sword god also most likely is on Orsted side. He will not step out of his dojo however, I think the author already promise us about Nina Farion and her husband adventure near future

[z3r0x]

Do we know wich North God is wiht Gisu/Geese, IF he is Kalman II, son of Atofe we can make some assumptions.


Kalman II is Earl, which is at somewhere near Asura. Current North God is heading toward Gisu's place.

[Waxman]

There was a small update in the chapter 232.
.
I believed that the second North God was named Kalman Raibaku II, in any case it would be interesting if Rudeus can bring a north god of his own to the fight.
.
Gisu/Geese's doesn't seem to have a strong magician.

[obnuchious]

why not just supercharge the God Rank Lightning and turn it into a humongous plasma bolt?
or summon a large meteor and drop it right on top of Gisu?

with his large mana pool, surely he could do a couple of God Rank magics before tiring out

[Waxman]

He sort of droped a meteor on Orsted, right after freezing the whole area with his Frost Nova/Absolute Zero.
.
I believe that at that level (Absolute Zero, the meteor or the nuclear explosion) are only Emperor level magic, God level its said to alter the geografy of the world, like the Holy Sword roadway or the separation of the magic and central continent.

[laclongquan]

The sequence is Lightning first, then SuperNova to freeze him in place for a Meteor Strike.

[z3r0x]

There was a small update in the chapter 232.
.
I believed that the second North God was named Kalman Raibaku II, in any case it would be interesting if Rudeus can bring a north god of his own to the fight.
.
Gisu/Geese's doesn't seem to have a strong magician.

That is not his full name, someone in 4ch gave the full name of him, Earl is how he is commonly called. He is the MC of KDK sidestory I think.

[Zackarov]

so, there is 2 north god alive ? II and III ?
or the second already pass the title to the third ?

[Waxman]

Some 400 years ago 3 swordmen cleared a dungeon, then they separated and founded the 3 sword stiles.
.
The first North God partied with Perugius, Dragon God Urupein and a (fire emperor level) magician and married Atofe.
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Kalman Jr. (son of Atofe and first North God) is immortal and after a time passed is title to a younger North God.

[z3r0x]

Checked author the blog and he said the next volume released time hasn't been decided yet. At best, it will be around the beginning of March.

The more suffering;w;

Could anyone go and confirm it?
http://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/1071805/

[Breimoon]

By the way, since of lastest ch
MC got a new eye, do you guys think he will become like tatsuya as he can use his magic from afar?I think he should be able to though it may take more mana the more distant his real body is.

[ththth13]

It's fine to speculate, but at least make it reasonable. Most of what you mentioned are baseless assumption.


It's never mentioned in the novel how North God is. If he really want to revenge that much, he should have done that years ago, it's not like Rudi is hiding somewhere unknown.


We don't even know how he thinks about her. If he really like her and want to save her, he would have prevented her from fighting Orsted. Hence, he even made a comment like "she is as good as dead if fighting Orsted". Also Nina must have already informed him about Orsted company's motivate.

Ruijerd know perfectly Rudi is not someone who does reckless or unreasonable things, he most likely will listen to Rudi's reason first rather than blindly attacking Orsted.
>threatening kids
Back in the smugglers event, he said he could close his eyes to all the crime. Their relationship was not even as deep as now, Rudi is now like both a benefactor and friend of him. There is no way that could be a reason for him to fight against Rudi, if have to choose, I bet he would rather risking his life and save the kids.

Sword God and North God have been apostles before, and they attacked Orsted. It's reasonable to assume that they can do that again.

Swords of North God (emperor and both kings) were all merchanaries, so it's reasonable assume that North God is one too, so he can be just paid in money. He is travelling around the world, so it's not like he would immidiately hear about it. He might not take any action just because those rumors, but it would different if he were to be paid for it. Also, it gives a chance for Hitogami or Gisu to manipulate him, since he already has negative feelings towards Rudy & Co. It's certainly much easier than convince a total stranger with no connection at all to fight them.

Sword God might be fine if Eris dies in battle but not fine if she is forced to serve someone like Orsted. He would not move with just that, but it gives a chance for Hitogami or Gisu to convice him. Also, his dream is to defeat Orsted himself. Gisu/Hitogami may offer him a chance to do so. However, the biggest reason to expect him is that Rudy failed again and again to visit him and get him as an ally. The story seems to at least prepare for the possibility.

Hitogami/Gisu will do anything to get Ruijerd to fight on their side since they know how important he is to Rudy. Ruijerd has already positive image of Hitogami since he told him about the curse in his hair and helped Rudy many times. Rudy's warning about him was too vague. Ruijerd has met Orsted, so it's not that difficult for Hitogami claim any bad thing about him, for example to say that he forces Rudy to serve him. Hitogami's 'curse' works for him and Osrted's curse works against them here. Ruijerd will save children even if he has to fight Rudy, since accepts Rudy as a warrior. He is also smart enough to realize when he can save them, so he will not throw his life away in futile fight, since children would be then just killed.

All these speculations are based in the facts presented in the story.

[Rageth]

Tech God: That would be bad, but Orsted would have warned about him.

Yeah, I mean, I can't even imagine how Hitogami could convince a former Dragon God (even half of one) to become an apostle.


Kishirika would not mention Badi without good reason. Her eyes can see a lot, and she probably knows where her fiance is and what he is doing.
Demon Eyes don't work on Badi. Even Kishirika can't locate Badi using her eyes.
She menioned Badi because her connection with Hitogami involved Badi, as they were both manipulated with him; she cautioned Rudy because she didn't want Rudy to kill/harm him, in the event he shows up.

Unless he is activating both eyes. If they are in their inactive state it looks normal.

Some descriptions of him, at times when he shouldn't be using his Demon Eye, mention he has slightly mis-matched eyes; specifically when he see his future self. (Can't think of any other time)

[ththth13]

By the way, does anyone have any guesses what Rudy asked Zanoba to add into MK.I ?

Something like flying or teleporting would be too unrealistic, but if you think about his last battle, then it could be a magic barrier. He did witness how effective they were in the battle.

It could be either a barrier that covers whole body, or something like a magic shield. Both magical and physical barriers would be useful, and both of them together would be very useful.

[Zackarov]

By the way, does anyone have any guesses what Rudy asked Zanoba to add into MK.I ?
they didn't improve Mk.I anymore. they are making Mk.III right now.
i think it will be a full suit armor but doesn't big like the Mk.I.
mana consumption should be more efficient. and the power should be around the king-class or emperor-class

[yulinard]

Mk I is big so it always have room for improvement.

Mk III design goal is to be mass produced for his ally. Basic problem is that people with huge mana capacity are rare so Rudy abandon the project earlier. My guess is that it will be bigger version of Mk II without magic absorber. Weapon system will be separated from the armor (unlike Mk I which integrated) and run on magic stone since Rudy now has establish presence in magic continent, getting cheap magic stones is easy.

[Tenzen12]

they didn't improve Mk.I anymore. they are making Mk.III right now.
i think it will be a full suit armor but doesn't big like the Mk.I.
mana consumption should be more efficient. and the power should be around the king-class or emperor-class

Rudeus have Zanoba work on Mk.I improvement, because unlike Mk.III it works already. Later isn't finished yet.

[hound297]

Some descriptions of him, at times when he shouldn't be using his Demon Eye, mention he has slightly mis-matched eyes; specifically when he see his future self. (Can't think of any other time)

Ah yes about that future self. I suspect that it was because future Rudy was using future eye when he was talking to present rudy.
"
But those eyes suddenly focused on a single point.

He saw something over my shoulder and behind me.

He extended a quivering hand toward that.

"Aah, Sylphy, Roxy... Damn, you sure are cute as ever..."

A single tear's trail flowed down from the old man's eye... the light was gone.

The strength dissipated from his body, and his neck drooped down.

...He was dead.

I turned around.

The door wasn't open.
"

The door opened after that so it was likely he was using future eye and he saw the Selphy and Roxy whom was about come into the room moments later.

[Rageth]

There's no doubt he used it at the very end, however, he had no reason to use it before-hand. Might even argue he had reason not to, considering he was running low on mana.

Anyways, Kishirika specifically pointed out that the eye-color for the foresight eye is slightly different from his own, so I imagine whether or not the eye is active doesn't eliminate the color of the iris.
Eh, I'll probably go back and reread descriptions given of him from the POV of other people who encounter him. (Yeah, that'll be easy... not to mention they're unlikely to notice something like one eye being slightly lighter.)

Edit: Badigadi was able to identify Rudy immedietly, based on his Foresight eye alone. Rudy wasn't using his foresight eye at the time, so even when not in use, a Demon Eye is identifiable in some way.

[hound297]

There's no doubt he used it at the very end, however, he had no reason to use it before-hand. Might even argue he had reason not to, considering he was running low on mana.

Anyways, Kishirika specifically pointed out that the eye-color for the foresight eye is slightly different from his own, so I imagine whether or not the eye is active doesn't eliminate the color of the iris.
Eh, I'll probably go back and reread descriptions given of him from the POV of other people who encounter him. (Yeah, that'll be easy... not to mention they're unlikely to notice something like one eye being slightly lighter.)

Edit: Badigadi was able to identify Rudy immedietly, based on his Foresight eye alone. Rudy wasn't using his foresight eye at the time, so even when not in use, a Demon Eye is identifiable in some way.
Ah yes it was mentioned in chp 35 that the colour of the foresight eye is slightly different from rudi's eyes but people should not be able to tell from a distance.

[Dumac]

Ah yes it was mentioned in chp 35 that the colour of the foresight eye is slightly different from rudi's eyes but people should not be able to tell from a distance.

Yup, according to descriptions and illustrations it is a bit lighter in color even then not in use, but can be recognized only by comparing both eyes from close distance. Badi recognized Rudy having the eye not from color but from use and reaction then it did not work, you know, he, after all, has been engaged to a person who is basically an analog to demon eyes for like a millennia.

[Rageth]

Badi recognized Rudy having the eye not from color but from use and reaction then it did not work.

Rudy didn't use the Foresight eye until just before their duel started.

"That Foresight eye! You are Rudeus Greyrat huh! I've heard about you from my Fiancée, Great Demon Empress Kishirika!"

This is as soon as they met, before he uses his foresight eye, and before he reacted to not seeing Badigadi with it.
As such, Badigadi recognized the Foresight eye at a glance, without it needing to be activated.

[Dumac]

Imagelesskink thanks for your sacrifice, then you finish Kaezar will unleash another chapter, so it's like a double kill :D "When I asked Ariel what a good alcohol would be, she gave me one of these.

Later on, when I asked what it's worth from someone else, I was surprised.

She immediately consented to the matter of the Kingdom of the King Dragons too, lately she's been selling me a lot of favors, and it's kind of scary.

It seems like sometime she's really going to take one of my children… "

"The current price would be around 300 Asura Gold Coins per bottle. It's worth 1 Rinia. "

I LoL'ed so hard then i read it :D:D

[Ghiest Cid]

Imagelesskink thanks for your sacrifice, then you finish Kaezar will unleash another chapter, so it's like a double kill :D "When I asked Ariel what a good alcohol would be, she gave me one of these.

Later on, when I asked what it's worth from someone else, I was surprised.

She immediately consented to the matter of the Kingdom of the King Dragons too, lately she's been selling me a lot of favors, and it's kind of scary.

It seems like sometime she's really going to take one of my children… "

"The current price would be around 300 Asura Gold Coins per bottle. It's worth 1 Rinia. "

I LoL'ed so hard then i read it :D:D

what chapter is that?

[Dumac]

Almost finished chapter 232

[Kutra]

Ostred win! :D

[Dont Say]

As expected of president-sama.

[Ghiest Cid]

question is will Ariel have an heir.

[Dumac]

question is will Ariel have an heir.

She is probably is planing for it, that's why Rudy feels like she will take one of his children, or she is going to bring up her brothers child that was sent to Ranoa as her successor under her control

[Destiny Knight]

She is probably is planing for it, that's why Rudy feels like she will take one of his children, or she is going to bring up her brothers child that was sent to Ranoa as her successor under her control

Or it could be that she wants rudy genes haha not a suprise I guess

[InMyOwnMind]

Or it could be that she wants rudy genes haha not a suprise I guess

If she targets Rudy's genes herself then Sylphy will probably beat her senseless with the royal d*ldo again.

[Xellos-_^]

If she targets Rudy's genes herself then Sylphy will probably beat her senseless with the royal d*ldo again.
Ariel will then suggest a threesome :heh:

[Dumac]

If she targets Rudy's genes herself then Sylphy will probably beat her senseless with the royal d*ldo again.

If you forgot she already liked it the first time, she is hot for that play, Sylphy would not be amused though :D

EDIT: Imagelesskink finished 232 and Kaezar put 233 up it's 2X crit!

[Waxman]

Oh Atofe, i really hate that tipe of character but for some reason i love that muscle brained demon king.
.
Really thanks for the chapters Imagelesskink and Kaezar.

[Destiny Knight]

If you forgot she already liked it the first time, she is hot for that play, Sylphy would not be amused though :D

EDIT: Imagelesskink finished 232 and Kaezar put 233 up it's 2X crit!

I can imagine rudy threesome with masochist princess lol now I am jealous

[maltygos]

If you forgot she already liked it the first time, she is hot for that play, Sylphy would not be amused though :D

EDIT: Imagelesskink finished 232 and Kaezar put 233 up it's 2X crit!

does imagelesskink has his own page? like wordexpress or paste bin?, cuz at baka tsuki it is still at 2.7/3

[Dumac]

does imagelesskink has his own page? like wordexpress or paste bin?, cuz at baka tsuki it is still at 2.7/3

Not that i know of. It is finished, reload

So going on is 234 TR by Verse, will Kaezar take 235 on, since imagelesskink went with [Heroic Sacrifice] choice for the greater good of leech community :)

[maltygos]

funny when i post that it was still at 2.7 refresh it again nothing, just now it was completed, i began to hate telefonica ocne again

though thanks verse, imageless and kaiser should i call u guys the triumvirate?

[Ghiest Cid]

I wonder if they use muscle language (like the one at absolute duo) atofe would understand.

[Dumac]

Just got a thought, if nothing major interferes there is high possibility, in my opinion, for Lucy and Clive(Childhood friend->lover cliche) Lara and Pax Jr.(Migurd heritage, maybe telepathy) to hooking up, while Ars going to Asura Royal family(he is son of ex-Boreas Eris and probably be perverted enough for their standards), with Saladin going for Demon Continent. wouldn't Rudys usual whole family meeting turn in a complete world conference, that would be totally Hilarius: Lara - "Ars, pass me the salt", Ars - "Sorry, can't, our countries are rivals, make an alliance with Lucy, she is closer to in anyways"

[El Rue]

Lara - "Ars, pass me the salt", Ars - "Sorry, can't, our countries are rivals, make an alliance with Lucy, she is closer to in anyways"
Sounds like a normal family dinner alright.

[laclongquan]

That abstinence is a source of trouble.

methink the Fourth One tittle is hinting toward that?

[Ghiest Cid]

Remind me of Europe at one point all major monarchs are blood related .

[Rageth]

That abstinence is a source of trouble.

methink the Fourth One tittle is hinting toward that?

No; it's about Rudy's fourth child. Who Sylphy is giving birth to.

[laclongquan]

Remind me of Europe at one point all major monarchs are blood related .

Dat Hapsburgh lower lip!

[Xellos-_^]

Remind me of Europe at one point all major monarchs are blood related .
what do you mean at one point? they are all still related.

[larvyde]

Lucy and Clive(Childhood friend->lover cliche)

They're technically still blood related (via Sylphy -> Elinalise), so that probably won't happen. Unless wincest.

[yulinard]

Habsburg is one good example why you must avoid marrying close relaive.

Anyway I can only think that Lucy x Orted is the best. While Lara have love triangle with Clive and Pax II, she choose Pax II but ended with divorce when Pax tried to build his own harem and ended with Clive. Ars will probably take over Boreas name while Zeke turned to be another Terran reincarnated person.

[Ghiest Cid]

what do you mean at one point? they are all still related.

I am talking about the peak of number of monarchy and before the Bolshevik revolution.

[RBomber]

You know, I've trying to read the manga version, and from there, continues to LN version. And with recent development, I've began to think....

That Rudeus is trying to emulate Commander Shepard. :p:heh:

Incidentally, if you squint hard enough, Rudeus' harem could fit Male Shepard's Love Interests. But that just me, though. :p:heh:

* Roxy: Liara
* Sylphy: Tali
* Eris: Ashley

Coincidentally, some characters also fits Mass Effect's character archetype:
* Oersted: Javik
* Ruijderd: Wrex
* Elinalise: Aethyta :D:D
* Ghyslaine: Jenkins :heh::heh:
* Clive: Conrad Verner :heh::heh::heh:

Sadly, I can't find Garrus and Kaidan... but then again, I've only read until Book 3 and read some spoilers. :heh::heh::heh::heh::heh:

[Ghiest Cid]

All females of mass effect is unattractive at best.

And how do you came up with comparison? Some of them is too young for screentime or have little screentime.

[RBomber]

I mean, WN version. And as I said, maybe it's just me overanalyzing things.

And yes, Mass Effect wasn't moe enough for this thread standards. :heh::heh::heh::heh: But then again, Bioware standard for aesthetics isn't similar with, say, Monolithsoft or Level 5.

Roxy: Intellegent, maiden at heart, young by her race standard but old by human standard, blue hair :heh: = Liara
Sylphy: Shy disposition, often bullied because of prejudice, rather submissive (yes, this is kinda fanon, I know) = Tali
Eris: Tough as nails, born into military family, families past is tarnished by what was a necessary evil = Ashley
Ruijderd: (relatively) Kind man, from a heavily persecuted race (not without reason), quick to anger, trying to restore his race reputation, = Urdnot Wrex (admittedly, Ruijderd is more passionate about his goal, and less intellegent than Wrex. Also, fanon for Wrex that he likes children, just like Ruijderd)
Elinalise: Having familial relationship with Love Interest (admittedly, with Sylphy, not Roxy), old lady who looks young and rather promiscuous (well, fanon) = Aethyta
Oersted: Uber-Badass, having experience about "cycles", very stern, rather fatalistic view = Javik
Ghyslaine: Competent warrior who didn't seem like it at first glance, removed from storyline so the characters might grow (C-list fodder :p:heh:) = Jenkins
Cliff: Smarmy know-it-all, a fanboy who actually can be competent when didn't trying to be smarmy know-it-all = Conrad Verner

If there's something wrong, please tell me :heh::heh::heh:.

[jheno13]

I mean, WN version. And as I said, maybe it's just me overanalyzing things.

And yes, Mass Effect wasn't moe enough for this thread standards. :heh::heh::heh::heh: But then again, Bioware standard for aesthetics isn't similar with, say, Monolithsoft or Level 5.

Roxy: Intellegent, maiden at heart, young by her race standard but old by human standard, blue hair :heh: = Liara
Sylphy: Shy disposition, often bullied because of prejudice, rather submissive (yes, this is kinda fanon, I know) = Tali
Eris: Tough as nails, born into military family, families past is tarnished by what was a necessary evil = Ashley
Ruijderd: (relatively) Kind man, from a heavily persecuted race (not without reason), quick to anger, trying to restore his race reputation, = Urdnot Wrex (admittedly, Ruijderd is more passionate about his goal, and less intellegent than Wrex. Also, fanon for Wrex that he likes children, just like Ruijderd)
Elinalise: Having familial relationship with Love Interest (admittedly, with Sylphy, not Roxy), old lady who looks young and rather promiscuous (well, fanon) = Aethyta
Oersted: Uber-Badass, having experience about "cycles", very stern, rather fatalistic view = Javik
Ghyslaine: Competent warrior who didn't seem like it at first glance, removed from storyline so the characters might grow (C-list fodder :p:heh:) = Jenkins
Clive: Smarmy know-it-all, a fanboy who actually can be competent when didn't trying to be smarmy know-it-all = Conrad Verner

If there's something wrong, please tell me :heh::heh::heh:.


I don't know the series your comparing MT to but there is something I am sure of
you need to read MT again.....

Are you sure its Clive not Cliff or Luke?

Because.

For God(Roxy) sake Clive is only a child...
He is not mature enough to be anything you described...

[Unknown1950]

Chapter 238 by a kind soul (Anon)

http://pastebin.com/BiQwYCa2

[RBomber]

Yeah, sorry, It's Cliff. :heh::heh::heh:

Already fixed.

EDIT: Also, not a series. Games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect). A supposedly good series of games by Bioware, which, because I didn't have a high-end console or strong enough computer (yet), never played, but I read alot about it on TVTropes, also lots of fanfic.

My mind tends to makes comparisons between things. :heh::heh:

[Dart-Sama]

Just got a thought, if nothing major interferes there is high possibility, in my opinion, for Lucy and Clive(Childhood friend->lover cliche=

WHAT?! clive and lucy are niece and uncle i think?

That abstinence is a source of trouble.

methink the Fourth One tittle is hinting toward that?

no, thats the birth of rudeus forth child.

[Ghiest Cid]

WHAT?! clive and lucy are niece and uncle i think?



no, thats the birth of rudeus forth child.

Slyphy is the niece and Clive is the uncle. Her granma is Clive's mother

[Rageth]

Incest isn't a big deal in the MT world.
I mean, Nina and Jino are first cousins, and they got married. Most of the Greyrats are related too, and they seem to marry between branches.

While I doube Lucy x Clive will happen, it really wouldn't be weird in the MT world.

[Dart-Sama]

Incest isn't a big deal in the MT world.
I mean, Nina and Jino are first cousins, and they got married. Most of the Greyrats are related too, and they seem to marry between branches.

While I doube Lucy x Clive will happen, it really wouldn't be weird in the MT world.

hmmmmm good point :(

[maltygos]

hmmmmm good point :(

rudy has the modern moral standart so , that is enough for no wincest unless he marry the maid 1 , i dont see any of his daughters in wincest either... (so far i see them as orsted future harem...)

[LordZero25]

rudy has the modern moral standart so , that is enough for no wincest unless he marry the maid 1 , i dont see any of his daughters in wincest either... (so far i see them as orsted future harem...)

I'd like to see Rudy's reaction.

Lucy & Lara:"Father we both love Orsted-sama".

[SlendermanHD]

rudy has the modern moral standart so , that is enough for no wincest unless he marry the maid 1 , i dont see any of his daughters in wincest either... (so far i see them as orsted future harem...)

Orsted's motivation of living is to kill and rape hitogami, i dont see him paying attention to something besides that :) maybe at the future he will get somebody idk

[Rageth]

rudy has the modern moral standart

Hrmm, only to some extent. He's among the group whos moral standards are twisted around a bit by the internet, particularly porn. It's why he doesn't mind that Roxy looks like a child (and even likes it), and I think he even said/thought he doesn't care about incest, but his body for some reason doesn't react to it, even though he probably found it hot in his past-life.

[maltygos]

Orsted's motivation of living is to kill and rape hitogami, i dont see him paying attention to something besides that :) maybe at the future he will get somebody idk

hmmm if i say orsted = kouki, ofc there are BIG differences but harem builders... not to far away (thanks to rudy) XDD

[Dont Say]

Thinking about it. Rudeus is now ruler of whole demon continent. Isn't he? Or something really close to it cuz i don't think any demon lord will go vs Hero/Atofe.

[laclongquan]

First cousin marriage is a bit too close but it's not a rare thing. happen all the time in rural areas allllllll over the world.

[Rageth]

Thinking about it. Rudeus is now ruler of whole demon continent. Isn't he? Or something really close to it cuz i don't think any demon lord will go vs Hero/Atofe.

It's similar to the situation when he was in the Magic University.
He's not officially a ruler due to the circumstance (School-he was a student, Magic Continent-There are no actual governments) but he has enough influence and power to basically have everyone do what he wants.

[redhand]

I was just thinking about the possible parallel of Laplace to Piccolo. One has green hair, and the other is green almost all over. Both have been split in the previous generation, into a god part and a demon part.

One thing from Dragon Ball is that, when Kami was fighting Piccolo Jr., he intents to seal Piccolo instead of kill, as killing Piccolo would result in Kami's own death as well. That gets me to consider Laplace's sealing.

Dragon God Uruspin is surprisingly low in magic power, and has the lowest magic among all Dragon Gods, and high in technique. He also helped in Sealing Laplace. So, can Uruspin be Technique God in disguise? He sealed Laplace specifically to prevent Laplace's death.

If we take that comparison, the merge of Technique God and Demon God can only occur, after reborn Leplace turned into a good guy. The reborn Laplace turning out not to be a bad guy is also quite high, if Piccolo Jr. can be used as a reference. With so many other people given second chances, it is quite possible.

[GodTurtleOm]

I was just thinking about the possible parallel of Laplace to Piccolo. One has green hair, and the other is green almost all over. Both have been split in the previous generation, into a god part and a demon part.

One thing from Dragon Ball is that, when Kami was fighting Piccolo Jr., he intents to seal Piccolo instead of kill, as killing Piccolo would result in Kami's own death as well. That gets me to consider Laplace's sealing.

Dragon God Uruspin is surprisingly low in magic power, and has the lowest magic among all Dragon Gods, and high in technique. He also helped in Sealing Laplace. So, can Uruspin be Technique God in disguise? He sealed Laplace specifically to prevent Laplace's death.

If we take that comparison, the merge of Technique God and Demon God can only occur, after reborn Leplace turned into a good guy. The reborn Laplace turning out not to be a bad guy is also quite high, if Piccolo Jr. can be used as a reference. With so many other people given second chances, it is quite possible.

It's an interesting theory, and works fairly well. My major issue with it is that Orsted always referred to Urupein and Technique God separately, but is quick to explain that Demon God Laplace is half of original Dragon God Laplace. I have been wondering what happened to Urupein though, it doesn't seem like a Dragon God would die of old age or anything in the 400 years since the war with Demon God Laplace.

Was there anything good in any of the Author Talks this volume? All I've really seen is the excel spreadsheet to explain how Hitogami's Apostle system works, which isn't really anything new. I just tried looking with a machine translator, and nothing really popped out at me.

[SlendermanHD]

It's an interesting theory, and works fairly well. My major issue with it is that Orsted always referred to Urupein and Technique God separately, but is quick to explain that Demon God Laplace is half of original Dragon God Laplace. I have been wondering what happened to Urupein though, it doesn't seem like a Dragon God would die of old age or anything in the 400 years since the war with Demon God Laplace.

Was there anything good in any of the Author Talks this volume? All I've really seen is the excel spreadsheet to explain how Hitogami's Apostle system works, which isn't really anything new. I just tried looking with a machine translator, and nothing really popped out at me.

Yeah, he never said anything about urupen being dead or something at least i dont remember him saying anything about it and for something he doesnt want to ally with neither of both laplaces but he doesnt speak badly of urupen is like he hates laplace for something but he doesnt hate urupen. so maybe he knows that those 2 are different persons.

Do we really know about which races did those souls of the dragon god laplace belong? demon god is fairly enough to say that he was from the demon rance but the TG could from the dragon tribe or something with a long life spawn? who knows.

BTW MT Ch 234 is already translated by verse.

[CNine]

Here I dreamed last night about MT vol 6 cover book

[Destiny Knight]

Can't wait for nanoshi ,orsted and Asiha face ? :D

[flurburt]

I think it was stated that the bodies of people from MT world aren't sexually attracted to close relatives (RudyXAsiha) he did say if it would have been in his former world he would have probably done it

[flurburt]

is it possible that mad dragon king and technic god are the same person

[GodTurtleOm]

I'm actually more interested in whatever Nanahoshi whispered to Sylphy (to cheer her up, assumedly).

Any takes on what she said? I'm sure it's nothing important, but still wanna know. Hoping it's something really sweet.

Well, Sylphy has always been afraid of Nanahoshi stealing Rudy away since back in Volume 8, when Nana said that she and and Rudy were from "the same home town." And then the two spoke with each other in Japanese for a while with Fitts (Sylphy) just sitting there, and then Nanahoshi said that she thought might have been the cause of Metastasis Event. So they had a rough start. And then after the Slyphy's wedding:

"Umm, Nanahoshi-san, is it alright to ask one thing?"

"What is it?"

"Previously, Nanahoshi-san you said you were from the same place as Rudi right, that was with, what kind of meaning? Umm, Nanahoshi-san came here from another world...right?"

Sylphy said the latter part in a whisper.

"...Since he was used to the language, I just misunderstood."
That lie didn't help. When he was talking to Roxy and Sylphy about he might end marrying another wife, Sylphy first suspected Nanahoshi before Rudy told them about Eris. Sylphy might not know the details of Rudy's reincarnation, but she knows that he has been hiding something from her.

Basically, I think Nanahoshi's comment to Sylphy was along the lines of "Don't worry, I'm not going to take him back with me, he said himself that he's much happier here with you guys than he ever was there."

Of course, I was wrong about Sylphy's next baby being Laplace and Zenith's miko ability. Rifujin can be tricky.

@Slenderman I think Laplace and Technique God would still reincarnate as Dragon Race, with Laplace having green hair instead of the usual white.

[Ghiest Cid]

Well, Sylphy has always been afraid of Nanahoshi stealing Rudy away since back in Volume 8, when Nana said that she and and Rudy were from "the same home town." And then the two spoke with each other in Japanese for a while with Fitts (Sylphy) just sitting there, and then Nanahoshi said that she thought might have been the cause of Metastasis Event. So they had a rough start. And then after the Slyphy's wedding:

That lie didn't help. When he was talking to Roxy and Sylphy about he might end marrying another wife, Sylphy first suspected Nanahoshi before Rudy told them about Eris. Sylphy might not know the details of Rudy's reincarnation, but she knows that he has been hiding something from her.

Basically, I think Nanahoshi's comment to Sylphy was along the lines of "Don't worry, I'm not going to take him back with me, he said himself that he's much happier here with you guys than he ever was there."

Of course, I was wrong about Sylphy's next baby being Laplace and Zenith's miko ability. Rifujin can be tricky.

@Slenderman I think Laplace and Technique God would still reincarnate as Dragon Race, with Laplace having green hair instead of the usual white.

Yeah, and considering she now know who rudeus was she would not make him. Any lingering issues can be solved by writing a letter.

[HandofFate]

reread the available chapters after marathoning it a few weeks ago.
Its pretty impressive how everything builds on eachother.

Like I didn't remember the first time I read it that Rudi met Gull-boy first in the demon continent while trying to go back home. Kind of sad that he ended up participating in killing him much later on during the Asura chapter.

Also, I found it more hilarious 2nd time reading picking up more on that Ariel is fine with speaking with Orsted not because she has some special ability, but because she's a hardcore M, and she's getting off on getting the piss scared out of her.

[Diamona]

I think it was stated that the bodies of people from MT world aren't sexually attracted to close relatives (RudyXAsiha) he did say if it would have been in his former world he would have probably done it
...That's a biology thing, and something that is real. It's an evolutionary trait picked up since inbreeding tends to lower survivability. It has to do with pheromones. I'll omit the specifics.

Being a nerd aside, I think even Paul would look down upon Rudy considering his sister within his strike range. His wives would be disappointed since he is abstaining. And the lecture from Cliff. It's like a route to BAD END like School Days bad.

[Tyrhunger]

Does Oersted know Rudy is from another world? I don't recall anymore.

[GodTurtleOm]

There's some debate, but humans don't seem to have working pheromone receptors. If they work at all, they are definitely not sophisticated enough to pick up something like familial relation. It's different for some other animals. The main thing is the Westermarck Effect, which is a psychological effect where children that are raised closely together don't usually find each other sexually attractive. Doesn't really apply here either, since he wasn't raised together with his sisters.

The basic fact is, Rudy doesn't find his familial relations sexually arousing.

@HandofFate
Gull-boy? You've lost me there. All I can think of is North Emperor [Peacock Sword] Auber, who helped train Eris when she was in the Holy Land of the Sword back in Volume 11, who Rudy helped defeat in the Asura arc.
/Looks through Volumes 3 and 4.
[For I am Rodriguez, the third disciple of North god style Kalman's personal disciple, "Peacock Blade Auber"!]
Oh wow, there is a disciple of his Volume 3 by the name of Rodriguez... I really didn't remember that. Auber himself doesn't show up. The other two (three) North King disciples of Auber did get killed in the Asura arc though. Rodriguez is actually the only one who's still alive. (Probably alive)

@Tyrhunger
Yeah, he told Orsted about the details of his reincarnation with Eris at his side during his first meeting with him as his boss. So Eris should know too, but since she's a bit of an idiot, it's uncertain how much she understood. So I think Slyphy should be able to guess a bit, but Roxy is still ignorant of it. Honestly, he should just tell them about it, it's not like it's going to bother them at this point. Oh well, maybe we'll get a scene at the end where they assume he's dead and he pops back up with his old body.

[HandofFate]

ah.
Somehow I was interpreting it as him calling himself Rodriguez, and ending with saying his title for the full name, and saying he's personally. the 3rd disciple of North God Kalman.

[flurburt]

Of course, I was wrong about Sylphy's next baby being Laplace and Zenith's miko ability. Rifujin can be tricky.

BRO SPOILER man common not cool

[Rageth]

I think it was stated that the bodies of people from MT world aren't sexually attracted to close relatives (RudyXAsiha) he did say if it would have been in his former world he would have probably done it

That's merely the case for Rudy. He also has acknowledged that some of his preferences have also changed since reincarnating.

[flurburt]

Pax was scum in my mind even till the end I mean with Orsted baking he could of had it all, what was he thinking? he earned no respect because of the ways he did things which were to underhanded. so I hope his kid doesn't become part of the family.
Zonaba on the other hand I respect his upfront, hard working, brave, and ruthless if he has kids from his harem I hope they become part of the family.
I would enjoy seeing Rudy enjoy pitting his strength against others though but I guess Eries(best girl) is more than enough

[HandofFate]

Pax was scum in my mind even till the end I mean with Orsted baking he could of had it all, what was he thinking? he earned no respect because of the ways he did things which were to underhanded. so I hope his kid doesn't become part of the family.
Zonaba on the other hand I respect his upfront, hard working, brave, and ruthless if he has kids from his harem I hope they become part of the family.
I would enjoy seeing Rudy enjoy pitting his strength against others though but I guess Eries(best girl) is more than enough

According to Orsted, Pax was going to somewhat redeem himself.
He matures and realizes that he's not fit to rule, and that's how the republic is made.

[HandofFate]

Read the latest translated chapter 234.

All the girls are great, but I'm pretty interested in Slyph's character progress. Being the first one, she seems to have a ton of text devoted to her. And her inferiority complex is a matter that's been referenced and touched upon a lot.

And to me, it seems Rudeus seems to think and worry about her the most.

[SlendermanHD]

Read the latest translated chapter 234.

All the girls are great, but I'm pretty interested in Slyph's character progress. Being the first one, she seems to have a ton of text devoted to her. And her inferiority complex is a matter that's been referenced and touched upon a lot.

And to me, it seems Rudeus seems to think and worry about her the most.

Thinking about its just that he is dealing with hitogamis matter first in order to protect his family that he hasnt being able to give some attention to those that hes protecting, roxy and eris are partners on his journeys so i guess hes kind of guilty because he doesnt spend enough time with sylphy or something.

[flurburt]

i miss reina and pursua, I do have a bias I think reina is better but my favorite line is when pursua is like reina will do it and reina is like "yeah! Wait what?"

[HandofFate]

Not a fan of Reina and Pursua post school arc.
Really annoying, and I hated when the one with debt came and started destroying the order of the home.

I remembere hitogami's 'advice' before that he suggested Rudy not go to help his father, but stay, and after he said he would take in one of them. Looks like hito knew introducing one of them into the house would destroy it.

[flurburt]

was guisu the one who sold the hydras' scales? I mean he said he did and that he lost his money but I'm starting to wonder if he's been amassing power this whole time

[SlendermanHD]

was guisu the one who sold the hydras' scales? I mean he said he did and that he lost his money but I'm starting to wonder if he's been amassing power this whole time

At that time rudeus was still listening to hitogami's advices sort of, he wasnt the subordinate of the dragon god. So at that time at least to gisu he wasnt a traitor so could have sold it or not we will see at the right time

[Breimoon]

He could have given it to one of the touki users to use in the fight against Rudeus.

[Dont Say]

He could have given it to one of the touki users to use in the fight against Rudeus.

touki user? even eris used touki before mana teleportation incident.

[Breimoon]

And? We don't know yet if he has sword/north god as ally against rudy, so i just wrote touki user since a warrior will be a hard fight for Rudeus if he/she has an anti magic armor.

[SlendermanHD]

touki user? even eris used touki before mana teleportation incident.

i believe that hes talking about people with a high ability for techniques like sword god or north god so they can get closer to rudeus and stuff i guess.

[Dont Say]

shhhh shhhh alright:P

I wonder if we will see any great magician on hito's side. Till this point we only saw Moore to be able to be useful in combat except Rudeus.

Yes, Roxy is god so lets leave her out if discussion.

[redhand]

He could have given it to one of the touki users to use in the fight against Rudeus.

Still, to utilize the stone, the user has to spend mana. It is a war of attrition on mana. In that case, the one with more mana has the upper hand.

Rudeus has fought against Death God using it already.

Earlier in the series, when Mana Absorbing Demon Eye was mentioned, Rudeus also said that he should watch out for that cancelling his magic as well. No one is using that type of demon eye yet, but that is a bigger threat.

[GodTurtleOm]

Well, Randolph had a Mana-absorbing gauntlet, it may have been made from the raw scales/stones from the Manatite Hydra that were put on the open market, or it might have been the gauntlet that Talhand had made, that he traded away to get Gisu out of "bankruptcy". Now we can't be entirely sure that Gisu has ever truly lost much money, he probably just hid most of it away or invested it to further Hitogami's interests.
Although Talhand was disgusted, he sold off a pair of gauntlets he had made to help Gisu out.

Those gauntlets were made with the magic absorbing stone, apparently Talhand spent his entire fortune on development costs.

That said, it's still necessary to input mana to the magic absorbing stone, Randolph used up almost all his mana just cancelling out Rudy's rock bullets when they fought in Shirone. Rudy would have ended up killing him if he shot more full power rock bullets at him.

Edit: beaten to it by redhand.

[HandofFate]

is Nora ever going to have a turn at Rudy adventures

[SlendermanHD]

is Nora ever going to have a turn at Rudy adventures

Is not really an adventure more like a war.

[Ghiest Cid]

Who is Nora?

[SlendermanHD]

Who is Nora?

Norn i believe.

[redhand]

is Nora ever going to have a turn at Rudy adventures

As a writer, Norn does not have to witness the adventures in person. Given her first book was already a success, she could be writing more illustrated adventures of her family.

[CNine]

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/5/56/Mushoku6_01.jpg

Wait a minute, president-san where are you?

[SlendermanHD]

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/5/56/Mushoku6_01.jpg

Wait a minute, president-san where are you?

Fuuu.. I really wanted to see him at the cover maybe hes at the ilustrations of the light novel i hope so

[Dont Say]

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/5/56/Mushoku6_01.jpg

Wait a minute, president-san where are you?

In front of Rudeus of course. Preparing to make a lovely hole in his chest.

[yulinard]

is Nora ever going to have a turn at Rudy adventures

Unless she move to Millis continent, starting as an adventurer on Central continent are not that flashy although it have one of the best end game content (dragon slaying).

[yulinard]

Aisha-chan is so cute"

She was upgraded version of Paul and Lilia.

[Dumac]

She was upgraded version of Paul and Lilia.

Well, after all, Paul and Lilia did some "fusion dancing" to make her ;):D

[Firestar2471]

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/5/56/Mushoku6_01.jpg

Wait a minute, president-san where are you?

Where......WHERE DID YOU FIND THIS!?!?!?!

[Ghiest Cid]

Bakatsuki try there.

[Aldheild]

Aisha kinda looks like a young Minami from Baka and Test.

[yulinard]

Well, after all, Paul and Lilia did some "fusion dancing" to make her ;):D

No, it just her older sister did not inherit both Paul and Zenith "genius" and have to work harder to get both and even with all hard work she probably still average when compared to other characters in the story.

[Wolfwood2]

Does anyone else think Atofe is sort of a tragic figure?

She is immortal and has lived thousands of years, but she can't stop thinking about her human husband who has been dead for hundreds of years. She's always talking about Kalman. She was obsessed with the wine they drank at their wedding reception. He was evidently the only person who ever made her feel smart and valued.

Atofe is an idiot so I know she doesn't understand this herself, but I'm pretty sure the reason she does the whole demon lord act of challenging heroes to fight her is to try and recreate the circumstances where she met her husband. It makes me feel sorry for her. She's like an immortal version of Eris, only her Rudeus died long ago.

[El Rue]

"Aisha-chan is so cute"
Ahw, look at that cover. The 2 are happily smiling & Aisha looks so bright & adorable...

Then splat! Hole in he chest like last year's valentine.

Also, Eris...I know you find it cute but stop touching Rudy's bum.

[CNine]

Ahw, look at that cover. The 2 are happily smiling & Aisha looks so bright & adorable...

Then splat! Hole in he chest like last year's valentine.

Also, Eris...I know you find it cute but stop touching Rudy's bum.

to be honest I want to kidnap loli Aisha

[Cinocard]

Does anyone else think Atofe is sort of a tragic figure?

She is immortal and has lived thousands of years, but she can't stop thinking about her human husband who has been dead for hundreds of years. She's always talking about Kalman. She was obsessed with the wine they drank at their wedding reception. He was evidently the only person who ever made her feel smart and valued.



Having loving memories of the dead in itself is no reason for suffering. We can see how much she loved and still does, love the North God, but as long as she is not trapped in grievance, she isn't tragic.

This novel takes a very realistic approach to feeling and emotion, and time is a damn good solution. Even future Rudy's hatred for Hitogami burns out after 60 years.

[Dumac]

No, it just her older sister did not inherit both Paul and Zenith "genius" and have to work harder to get both and even with all hard work she probably still average when compared to other characters in the story.

Well, while she did not inherit their talent, i think she did inherit the good parts of their personality + she is a hard worker, i think she also already above Aisha in swordsmanship. Aisha on the other hand had talent, but since she came to Sharia she did not improve that much, devoting herself to maid duties, later organization of mercenaries. I think both are actually more fit for organization and politics, with Norn being the front face - morale, rallies etc. and Aisha being the shadow figure - manipulation, blackmail etc.

[Destiny Knight]

Now I understand why rudy say that aisha can make orsted sink at the bottom of the sea

Rudy and Eris look like a couple on the front page too bad it will be heartbroken illustration of rudy finding his bed empty with no eris.... :sad: that's too sad...

[yulinard]

Well, while she did not inherit their talent, i think she did inherit the good parts of their personality + she is a hard worker, i think she also already above Aisha in swordsmanship. Aisha on the other hand had talent, but since she came to Sharia she did not improve that much, devoting herself to maid duties, later organization of mercenaries. I think both are actually more fit for organization and politics, with Norn being the front face - morale, rallies etc. and Aisha being the shadow figure - manipulation, blackmail etc.

People in the story became hard worker when dragged out from their comfort zone. Like Paul after metastatis incident. Ofc Norn was thinking that Academy was her comfort zone but theres OP Banchou.

I think Aisha will perform better anything Norn did if she go front. She is not afraid to even Lord Pergius, everybody in the town know her and she is doing recruitment on three major cities without Rinia/Pursena help (Asura/Millis/Dragon Kingdom). Basically she own the mercenary company, thats why Rudy scared if Aisha meet Orsted she can send Orsted to the botom of ocean. And now she is dealing with diplomacy with Dragon Kingdom. Her future already set and secured.

For Norn I think she will graduate 2 volume from now. Either she help Rudy on doll marketing or like what she want, spend some years as adventurrer.

[Ghiest Cid]

Been wondering if their world is round.

[eirvenxkie19]

Is there any notable changes in the LN?

[Makall]

Well, while she did not inherit their talent, i think she did inherit the good parts of their personality + she is a hard worker, i think she also already above Aisha in swordsmanship. Aisha on the other hand had talent, but since she came to Sharia she did not improve that much, devoting herself to maid duties, later organization of mercenaries. I think both are actually more fit for organization and politics, with Norn being the front face - morale, rallies etc. and Aisha being the shadow figure - manipulation, blackmail etc.

Basically Norn is good as a figurehead cause she's kinda useless for anything else.

That's why Rudeus doesn't task her anything important.

As evident in the christmas chapter, he still thinks she's an idiot.

[Dumac]

Basically Norn is good as a figurehead cause she's kinda useless for anything else.

That's why Rudeus doesn't task her anything important.

As evident in the christmas chapter, he still thinks she's an idiot.

I wouldn't say useless, she could be like Rinia to an organization, just actually smart, even if naive. By the way Paul became a depressed violent drunk with confidence issues because of Metastasis event, from Claires memories he even drunk in front of Norn, even if he was desperate to find and help people and his family same things are not to be done.

[Ghiest Cid]

Rudy see his old self with norn. Always compared with more adept siblings.

[DragonKing0117]

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/5/56/Mushoku6_01.jpg

Wait a minute, president-san where are you?

So Norn is Zenith with Paul's eyes.
Aisha is Lilia with Paul's eyes.
Rudeus is Paul with Paul's eyes Mini!Paul.

[yulinard]

Been wondering if their world is round.

I dont think their law of physic is difrent than ours. So its round with six continents. Its possible to reach magic continet from Asura but the sea people will just sink your ship since they only allow sea travel on certain places, exept for Badibadi who is their friend and they allow him to travel anywhere including salvaging his old armor.

[yulinard]

So Norn is Zenith with Paul's eyes.
Aisha is Lilia with Paul's eyes.
Rudeus is Paul with Paul's eyes Mini!Paul.

Aisha is female version of Paul with lilia hair, I think Rudeus mention on volume about starting merc company. She inherit most of Greyrat fatures and when standing side by side with Eris people will think they are sister.

[DragonKing0117]

Aisha is female version of Paul with lilia hair, I think Rudeus mention on volume about starting merc company. She inherit most of Greyrat fatures and when standing side by side with Eris people will think they are sister.

I'm talking about their appearance! :frustrated: Didn't you see the Vol 6 cover?

[Tenzen12]

Basically Norn is good as a figurehead cause she's kinda useless for anything else.

That's why Rudeus doesn't task her anything important.

As evident in the christmas chapter, he still thinks she's an idiot.

...Or she can just live her life in way she want. Regardless whether she is genius or not she is still Rudeus family and she doesn't really need anyother merrit.

[Rageth]

Also, Eris...I know you find it cute but stop touching Rudy's bum.Shhhhh. Don't tell her that to her face.
to be honest I want to kidnap loli AishaWe seem to have matching wavelengths, you and I.

exept for Badibadi who is their friend and they allow him to travel anywhere including salvaging his old armor.

Not necessarily. Badi was allowed to travel SECRETLY travel, because one of the demon lords were friends with one of the rulers of the sea, and that demon lord is a friend of Badi. Though, that may or may not also give him access to the oceans (in secret)

[Diamona]

Not necessarily. Badi was allowed to travel SECRETLY travel, because one of the demon lords were friends with one of the rulers of the sea, and that demon lord is a friend of Badi. Though, that may or may not also give him access to the oceans (in secret)
He never struck me as a low-profile character. He always struck me as a hindu god with the personality of Kool-aid man.

[Ghiest Cid]

I wonder if rudeus could befriend the seatribe.