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Wrong. I watched and really liked the new Minami ke a few seasons back. Servant x Service was ok of what I've watched but I never finished it. Watamote was brilliant and that had ton of Tomoko moe in it, albeit in twisted ironic ways. I know that many of the posters on AS feel the same. |
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2013-10-21, 17:55 | Link #2263 | |
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It's hard to say Kyoani is being singled out, usually personally, if I single out something for ridicule, it's going to be Partially Acceptable Works and I love them too in a messed up way. My typical attitude towards Kyoani is currently apathy though I am certainly thankful for the work they did for Key and Haruhi. Most of their new stuff I just can't watch, but I usually just ignore them instead of following them every episode typing 36 pages about rants nobody cares about. I wish people would share the same consideration for me, but whatever.
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2013-10-21, 18:07 | Link #2265 | |
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Though honestly, you can't fault Toei too much. The original Key designs for Kanon were pretty bad, and maybe I just don't like their artist, but most of the designs remained awful, except for a select few characters like Tomoyo. And honestly, Toei Air doesn't look that much worse than Kyoani Air. Toei Clannad was just -_- though. Hell, I thought Little Busters! designs in the VN were still quite bad and even JC staff was able to make them look better. But yes, I think one of the greatest accomplishments for Kyoani was to turn Key's crappy designs into something decent looking... sometimes. And it was not an easy process-- Air especially and less in Kanon had a lot of derpy looking moments. If you look at Clannad and then go back to Air designs, it's sorta like "uhh... no, why are those eyes so far apart?" And Kyoani also gave most of the female characters some actual curves instead of anorexic washboards (for a bad example, go look at Deengurashi season 1), so... yay?
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2013-10-21, 19:13 | Link #2266 | |||
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I'm not asking Kyoukai no Kanata to be super-serious or anything. Heck, episode 3 was mostly serious, and it wasn't any better than the previous episodes. I want the comedy to actually be funny and not degrade the main heroine. Quote:
Toei is huge. Depends on the staff and budget. They could make it look awesome if they allocated something similar to Kyousougiga or Heartcatch Precure's staff. |
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Precious few of the fights in Kyokai so far are actually serious or life-threatening... as I said, they're very laid-back and irrelevant, so the presence of comedy fits perfectly well in-context. Whether or not you think the comedy is good or not is your opinion and you're entitled to that, but I don't think you can really say that the humor is being "forced". Quote:
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It's actually far more accurate to talk about "KyoAni shows" as following "general trends" more than it is for any other studio because of this, yes, and any "oh it's JC Staff being JC Staff again" or "SUNRISE TRAINWRECK" or what have you comments are pretty ignorant of the huge variation in staff between shows produced under the same studio label. I think that those generalized remarks directed at X studio and Y thing they produce only apply to KyoAni and really not even then, as I'd argue a lot of their shows are only superficially similar; they feel the same because they have the same people working on them. |
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2013-10-22, 04:36 | Link #2268 | |
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However, I'd be hesitant to call the series a blank slate when they produced a fully animated trailer for it. Though you should be aware, it was Kyoto Animation that released it, it was their promotion, their decision to make it look like the way they intended. If anyone is responsible for people getting a wrong impression about the series, it's them. But I wouldn't say they betrayed my expectations, the series' feel comes close to a mix between Kara no Kyoukai and Yozakura Quartet however, as I've said in the KnK thread, they mixed in light novel meta and their trademark comic relief inserts. This is something I cannot forgive, especially the former, and it takes a special kind of fan to appreciate them pulling the latter out for every possible setting. There is no "big bad KyoAni", Kaisos Erranon, I have other shows this season to care for. Have you checked out Kill la Kill or Kyousougiga or Yowamushi pedal or Non Non Biyori? Those are the shows I'm watching this season and they're all great at what they do. Kyoukai no Kanata is not great at what it does, you admit this yourself. So why are you trying so hard to defend it? KyoAni will get shit on for this series, as is rightly so, you don't need to be there crying for it, especially if you think the show sucks. |
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Also I don't recall anyone saying it's the "worst shit ever". This is no Oreimo or Sword Art Online we are talking about here. Quote:
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Similarly, the producers/board at Kyoto Animation decided to adapt the light novel into an anime. The current series is an anime adaptation of the novel with Ishidate and Hanada making the series fit into 13/14 episodes how they see fit. They are in charge of making this series what is currently airing, not the producers/board. There is a difference between the two. We don't say that the "Swimming CM" is an advertisement for "Free!" even though they share a similar base. Quote:
One better way to phrase some of the issues raised about the series would be "Hanada's still using his style of comedy we saw in Chuunibyou. It really doesn't fit this material and I wish the producers at KyoAni would've gotten another series composer who has worked on something like this before."
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Hanada said in the Kyoukai guidebook interview that they chose to insert original material because all they had upon starting was one novel and the draft of the second novel (published earlier this year). The CM was run prior to publishing the first novel, thus it was made before anime production started for Kyoukai (basically it was at the beginning stages of anime production. Scripts are done about 6 months before the anime starts, so Hanada was likely working on it during Chuunibyou/Love Live. For Free!, the CM features a character that was later altered into Rei instead, Kaede, instead of Rei, showing that it has no connection to the anime material (Kaede-> transition detailed in the Free guidebook). Quote:
Pony Canyon, Lantis, Yomuri Television Enterprise, Good Smile Company, Sotsu, Kids Station, Cospa, Showgate, and P.A. Works (TariTari had a similar committee with PA above Showgate and without Yomuri. true tears was fully Bandai Visual/Lantis) The higher you are on the committee means the more money you financially invested in the production. KyoAni's latest works have the following committee: Kyoto Animation, Pony Canyon, Lantis (except Tamako Market), TBS/Asahi Broadcasting. They're fronting most of the funds unlike P.A. Works, so that's why it's more risky for the studio than those PA Works series mentioned. As for "more interesting," that's a personal opinion, which I personally have no issue with anyone saying.
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2013-10-22, 13:23 | Link #2276 | |
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You could comment "the insular environment has made each of the directors develop similar preferences/styles in how they depict certain scenes" or "Having Ishihara direct so many shows influenced many of the other staffers." That would be more correct for the situation. Instead you make it sound like there's one amorphous body that is KyoAni and nothing else inside impacts their productions.
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2013-10-22, 13:27 | Link #2277 | |
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Picking a right tone is incredibly important especially if you want to tell a serious story. If the tone isn't right jokes will fall flat and drama will feel forced. Most people are complaining that this is the case for KnK so far, as the first 2 episodes seem to have created this silly and light hearted atmosphere that has pretty much trivialized anything serious in the story but then episode 3 suddenly goes full throttle on the dark past and suicidal redemption story line. This sudden gear shift just doesn't work, which is why most people are complaining about the silly jokes in the earlier episodes. Basically, if KyoAn wanted to tell a silly and lighthearted story, they should not have Mirai's background be so dark, and even if they did, it shouldn't have come into play full blast so early. If they wanted to tell a more serious story, they should have cut back on the silliness and developed a more serious tone right from the beginning. |
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This is the reason why "trademark KyoAni comedy" is a ridiculous notion, because the director and series comp heading each project are the ones making the decisions about what kind of content is included, not the studio as an entity itself. Anime are not made via checklist. Quote:
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Moreover, Kyoani is an entity as a whole, regardless of what individual is put on a project. The studio bears the responsibility of whatever people produce work through them. Yeah, maybe there's an incompetent director or writer on such and such project, but that does absolve the leadership in the company of their responsibility as well? Have you never heard the concept of leadership bearing responsibility for their underlings? Leaders of countries get blamed all the time for the people they staff who do bad work.
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2013-10-22, 13:47 | Link #2280 | |
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Are you saying "Sure the director's at fault, but it's fair to blame the people who assigned him that job for his decisions?"
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