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I was not, at all, from the beginning, talking about anime in general. ONLY about these large franchise, where DVD sales did not reflect its total popularity. Again, you're neglecting the "popularity of children" completely, and focusing only on otaku fanbase. Which is totally fine if we're talking about majority of anime, but I was not talking about those in the first place.
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2007-08-08, 18:19 | Link #23 | ||
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In this situation, the best way to gauge the popularity of a show to children is to look at the TV ratings within that demographic. After all, that's likely how they're going to be exposed to the show.
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2007-08-08, 18:41 | Link #24 |
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Well, I'm sort of stepping in the middle here, but I wonder... is this somewhat on-target? I don't think it's complete, though...
Target Audience: Children Trying to sell: Toys, Games, Videogames, Merchandise. Anime Success Indicators: TV Ratings/Timeslot/Length of run Target Audience: Teens Trying to sell: Toys, Manga/Magazines, Videogames, CDs. Anime Success Indicators: Timeslot/TV Ratings/CD sales/Length of run Target Audience: Young Adults/Otaku Trying to sell: DVDs, CDs, Videogames, Light Novels, Figures, etc. Anime Success Indicators: DVD & CD sales It seems to me that you could actually break this down even futher by gender. For example, a show like NANA would probably fit into a slightly different mold (Driven more by manga/magazine sales, perhaps? Women tend to buy less DVDs than men.). You notice that I used the word "success" (which, for these purposes, I'm tying to money) as opposed to "popularity" -- I think that popularity is more about "mindshare", and that can either be momentary (i.e. a fad) or enduring (i.e. a cultural icon/phenomenon). It also reflects a success that's broader than the target audience, and I think the real indicator of that is frequency of mention in the mass/mainstream media. So I'm not even sure if either ratings or sales alone could really tell the full story about popularity. Maybe I'm wrong, though... Anyway, I realize I'm sort of stepping in the middle here, but I wonder if this can help funnel the conversation? If not, please feel free to ignore my rambling. And by the way, I just want to thank eggplant for updating the thread with new sales data so regularly. Thank you! |
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I'm not saying that there IS an alternative way to measure popularity of children's show effectively. I'm saying, that DVD sales have very little to do with it, and isn't effective at all in getting any idea of its popularity. TV ratings is a more effective way of measuring its popularity, but again, this thread is not about ratings. It's about DVD sales. And that's why I said, this isn't a very optimal place to compare popularity of Gundam. Which comes to my point. When you have franchise targeted towards customer base that doesn't buy DVDs, and the franchise income doesn't depend on DVD sales, such as Gundam, you can't measure its success with DVD sales, compared to other anime that does. Also, you personally might "not care" about children's popularity on anime. But the fact is, they make up the majority of marketing consumption, and cannot be neglected as a factor. You think otakus spend more money than kids? Think again. Each otaku may spend heck of a lot of money than a child, but the sheer number of kids that makes up the market is incomparably large. That's like comparing Trekkie's devotion to Star Trek franchise to the entire Disney kids market. It's simply not negligible. Quote:
Oh, on the contrary, I think you're right on the money. Trying to compare multiple levels of diffrent target audience by simply "DVD sales" is simply not viable. You wrapped it up better than either of us have. Edit: Interesting thing about NANA is, it not only had effects on sales of itself, but in fashion and habits. Cigarette smoked by Nana increased in sales, and the type of fashion characters wear had increased as well, since that's where girls put much of their money in.
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Anyway, I was just citing SEED/GSD's level of success in only DVD sales alone in particular compared to other titles that sold well in a similar timeframe. The previous argument I was going for was the misconception that C.E's proven success in DVD sales ALONE, disregarding it's other franchise points, only came about from it's Gundam brand name, and nothing else, due to the generalism that every Tom, Dick and Harry hates CE. Well, maybe so, but the Mary and Janes may like them. Gundam as a whole is a franchise of course occupies a much much larger market from novels, models, and such to different target audiences, but I'm not going there.
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2007-08-15, 23:03 | Link #28 |
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I don't think that DVD sales is a indicator of popularity, for me, is proved that original series has better sales (the manga's anime like Bleach, Death Note, lose in this aspect, obviusly are exceptions like FMA, for something is maybe the favorite anime ever).
Code Geass is like the Gundam's sucessor xD (is the same market I think), Geass is ok in DVD sales but in TV ratings not too much (has like 2.2 comparing with Seed or Seed Destiny with 5-6 points), Death Note has much better rating(3.5 app.), Gurren-Lagann an Claymore too has better tv rating. Mechas and KyoAni dominated Japan DVD sales market Last edited by Snait3; 2007-08-27 at 22:16. |
2007-08-21, 19:48 | Link #29 |
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This thread is very useful. Thanks alot for the info.
I'm glad to see that Ookiku Furikabutte is selling so well. The third or fourth best selling anime series of the year so far. I checked ORICON just earlier and the first and second volumes are back on the top twenty which is amazing. I'm also glad that LUCKY STAR is huge in Japan, hopefully that means a second season is very likely. |
2007-11-28, 15:34 | Link #37 |
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Let me ask a stupid question about the sales figures. What precisely does the asterisk indicate? For instance, how should we read these results for Initial D?
2001/08/29 30,671 Third Stage SPECIAL BOX (Motion picture) 2002/01/01 *6,706 DVD-BOX 2 (Thirteen episodes) 2002/05/15 20,398 BATTLE STAGE I read this as meaning DVD-BOX 2 had sales in the five-digits, but we don't know what the first digit was. Is that correct, or is the asterisk just a place-holder and it really sold just 6,706 copies? That was my first impression, but I was never really sure if that was correct interpretation. Here are few other examples of things I've pondered. For Eureka 7 we have: 2006/01/27 *5,652 Vol. 7 Standard Edition 2006/01/27 **,*** Vol. 7 UMD Limited Edition 2006/02/24 *5,557 Vol. 8 Standard Edition Does the entry **,*** mean it did five-digit sales, but could be any number from 10,000 to 99,999? Or does it mean we don't know how many were sold? If the latter, how is that different from "**NA*"? The figures for Hajime no Ippo include this sequence: 2002/03/21 **N/A* Vol. 13 2002/04/24 **,*** Vol. 14 2002/05/22 **,*** Vol. 15 2002/06/21 **,*** Vol. 16 2002/07/24 **,*** Vol. 17 2002/08/21 **,*** Vol. 18 2002/09/25 *1,163 Vol. 19 So the figures for Vol. 13 are "not available," but the figures for Vol. 14 are what exactly? "Not available, but not zero?" I would think the same could be said for Vol. 13. Maybe these things are obvious to everyone else here, but I just thought I'd ask. I looked over the notes at the beginning, and searched the text for "asterisk" and "star" and didn't find an answer to my question. Thanks so much to eggplant and Siegel Clyne, in particular, and to anyone else who has contributed to amassing and maintaining this treasure trove of data!
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I guess my explanation for the legend on reply #2 was ambiguous, so allow me to answer. As Xellos-_^ mentioned, the asteriks are a place holder, for the purpose of properly aligning and showing the digits. In the case quoted above, *6,706 refers to six thousand seven hundred and six. Quote:
The DVD sales listed on page 1 is based on Oricon's weekly tabulation of the TOP 300 DVD sales figures, wherein numbers for the top 100 titles are listed on their "Original Confidence" magazine, a weekly industrial publication with the cover price of 4,900 yen per issue. The only people who can obtain these numbers are subscribers of this magazine, or people who subsequently visit the National Diet Library, where this publication is categorized. The tracking process of DVD sales for older titles have picked up with the help of many enthusiastic anime fans, especially on 2ch. However, there are specific issues where the sales figures are either still unkwnown or not listed, hence the "N/A" notation. On the other hand, since these figures are based on overall top 100 sales (not just anime related titles) , there are cases in which a certain volume for an anime title (or all volumes for a certain anime) did not crack the TOP 100. These cases are denoted with the "**,***" mark, citing that it is a figure below that of #100, in comparison with a title which did manage to place itself in the charts, as indicated with a number. I really should add a "(under *1,000)" mark for example, to state that it sold less than the #100 ranking title for that corresponding week, but I don't have those figures on hand. Oricon does tabulate weekly sales for #101-300, but the only time we get to see some of those numbers is when they announce their top 30 monthly DVD sales and top 500 annual sales, where the aggregate sales for titles that are ranked in this section, are added on. Thus, sales figures for titles (or volumes) between #101-300 that have never cracked the top 100 are impossible to track down. You may have noticed that some noteworthy titles (even North America licensed ones) fail to earn a spot on this list due to poor sales. I hope this answers your question, and I appreciate your compliments. Since I'm already out of space on the first page, sales figures for the 2008 season will be listed on the most recent post when the time arrives.
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Top 25 Anime for sales
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ynLdJDvc5w
Not meant to incite flaming or anything, just an intresting vid. Some Shockers on that list (ZZ!) somethings I think are mis-ranked (Destiny) Gundam has a crazy strong presence on this list, but Evangelion smoked everything else, coming in at around double the 2nd place. |
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