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The issue I find with Gonzo personally is that the quality of their shows vary wildly from being awesome to being downright terrible. This lack of consistency creates a huge barrier to entry for those who want to watch something that has some quality to it, and having to dig through each of Gonzo's shows to see whether it's good or whether it sucks is time-consuming. I'd rather not even bother. At least with the other studios, I have some sort of an idea of what I'm getting into.
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2008-07-03, 02:57 | Link #42 |
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I feel bad for Gonzo, mainly because I applaud them for actually trying to beat the fansubbers in their own game (If you can't beat them, join them philosophy). Someone had to do it, and I hope it's successful enough that other companies who has aims for the western market follows suit.
Sure, them putting only 5 mins of the last two episodes of druaga on Youtube was basically like a slap in the face (I was half thinking of donating before then, but now, never), but that's entirely besides the point. XD
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2008-07-03, 04:36 | Link #43 | ||
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and the episodes were available via crunchyroll. i guess youtube simply wasn't profitable, or at least as profitable as crunchy so they were trying to shift people over there.. Quote:
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2008-07-04, 00:56 | Link #44 | |
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To the best of my knowledge, Brave Story has not been released on R1 DVD.
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2008-07-04, 01:44 | Link #45 | |
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Gonzo has been in a downwards spiral for some years now. The last thing I enjoyed (and quite a bit) from them was NHK, but that was probably more due to the original material than for anything else--even though it was well handled, except perhaps in those episodes which appeared to be missing key animators (episode 4, for example). I still can't believe how so many people keep on ignoring the dwindling quality of Last Exile in episodes 9 ~ 16, even if the series was worthwhile in the end. Gankutsuou was a masterpiece, and I really give them props for that... but they didn't release anything as stunning since then. With things like Dragonaut, I feel they weren't even trying. In that series, CG, which used to be Gonzo's forte, was horrible, even when the 2D art seemed to have a decent amount of bucks thrown at it. When compared to other major studios like IG or Bones, and studios that are quietly growing on me like Brains-Base, they lose out big time. The only major studios that "pander to the otaku demographic", as you put it, are probably Sunrise and JC Staff, but they do it well (even though I have my qualms about JC). Since the two first episodes of Druaga, I have refrained from watching anything else from them. Unless there's too much of a buzz from people I can somewhat relate to when it comes to tastes, or unless the series' summary is too good to be true, I won't even bother with their series.
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2008-07-04, 03:26 | Link #46 | |
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Though honestly the anime market seems to have been in a downward spiral lately. The only parent company that seems to be exhibiting any growth is Bandai while major players like GDH and Kadokawa are in the red. Couple that with the western markets downward spiral continuing with only Funimation appearing to do well (at least on the surface) and I can't help but feel we're in for a bit of a crash. Shame really as the year and a half has seen some great series and I want that trend to continue. |
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2008-07-04, 06:17 | Link #47 | |
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just to name some of them you have red garden, seto no hanayome and druaga. in the 1.5~ years from nhk thats at least one good series per 6 months or so.. |
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2008-07-04, 07:03 | Link #48 |
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No matter how awesome you ppl say their titles are if they dont sell then they are worthless. What counts are sales numbers and not your opinion that the series is great or not.
Since their net loss was so big only there is only 1 reason. The titles they made were mediocre/bad. If they don't shift the tide they will be eaten by others. Harsh world!
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2008-07-04, 07:27 | Link #49 |
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Trying to be objective, I'd put Kurenai, Kaiba, and Twenty Faces above anything I recall Gonzo doing. (Including Gankutsuou. Definitely so.) And that's from Spring 2008 alone. Personally, I think their shows are neither the smartest, nor the funniest, the most exicting or the most heart-warming out there. No matter how I look at them they are no great studio. Your view might differ but for once the customer base seems to agree with me which happens rarely enough.
But still, a few months the thought that Gonzo of all studios might go down wouldn't even have crossed my mind. Well, if I were more interested in industry news then maybe it would. I always thought of Gonzo as a studio that caters the masses with mediocre stuff, yes. But that should be a safer strategy than concentrating on niche audiences. Looks like I my view on the market was warped. If I were more interested in industry news etcpp, well, see above. I'd rather not see them die and be it only for the sake of variety on the market from which we all profit.
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If you were intending to compare SnH and Druaga to Gankutusou, well then, I don't know what to say... Quote:
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2008-07-04, 10:18 | Link #52 | |
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Sad news to me. GONZO has produced quite a few dire series but they produce many different types of anime and are not afraid to try something new (I am looking at you KyoAni). No wonder they are going down, though, not nearly enough otaku-friendly titles until recently. Looking at the link to Strike Witches site it almost hurts me to see just how much otaku-friendly they are trying to become but if that will save the studio, let it be.
Red Garden was great (IMO even better than Kurani which is by the same director) and Bokurano's first half was great while the second one was not that bad. If one considers only the amount of negative posts towards gonzo he would think that they have created nothing but crap in their history... Quote:
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2008-07-04, 10:33 | Link #54 | ||
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I agree with Kaoishin-sama here. Gonzo dabbles in several different genres, while Sunrise does mostly mecha with some work outside, J.C. works in romance (Kasai), and some action, and KyoAni really does just pander to the otaku community (Key adaptations, Haruhi, and Lucky Star?) |
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2008-07-04, 10:37 | Link #55 | |
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I still can't get over how Rosario got more sales than SnH...it makes no sense
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2008-07-04, 10:40 | Link #56 |
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I am not saying that it's the best work. But producing something that doesn't sells seems kinda pointless, don't you think? They don't get money out of thin air to waste on shows that no one buys.
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I believe people should be comparing Gonzo to the likes of Bones and IG. Or at least that's what I compare them to, since those are the studios I enjoy the most. Quote:
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2008-07-04, 13:06 | Link #59 | |
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The Kurenai's that people are so very fond of are not even money makers in the sense that something like Tower of Druaga is, a legendary Namco licence is. You will not see their likes outselling other popular name brand DVD's (in fact for a DVD due out in less than 2 weeks, it's current ranking as 116 on the Oricon charts are quiet abysmal unfortunately and indeed Aegis is at 44 from what I'm seeing so yeah.....) or being competitive titles on the market. It's likely the DVD's for Aegis of Uruk however will continue to sell quite well on the Druaga name alone. This is what GDH wants, profitable media. The problem is that GDH is to unfocused with their products, to large to support themselves and NOT bringing in the cash. They more than likely need to find a niche within which to find a loyal audience, downsize (god forbid I should ever use that horrible horrible word, but I mean it in terms of producing less unprofitable series a season as Matrim suggested, because their own market saturation isn't helping, but also keeping a large enough company size and profile to qualify for listing) so they aren't competing with themselves so much, and call in some consultants to find untapped market potential and where they can cut some expenses. Then perhaps they can increase their revenue and make some profit. |
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2008-07-04, 13:31 | Link #60 | |
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I mean, Gonzo announced a $25 million loss last year, along with a strategy shift (otaku + hip American-centric shows), which certainly explains the quality and focus of their recent productions. |
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